the sad thing is it is too late. anyone that speaks up is called a bafoon. anyone that talks with their family is a nut. my opinion let it start. so tired of being called a nut, when everyone is watching who wants to be a millionaire. let these fines, penalties, kick in, then maybe, just maybe, people might wake the heck up

Taking a person's right to choose not to have coverage away... Some young people, perhaps just out of college or working in a lower paying job where they are literally living from paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford health insurance will be forced to get coverage that will leave them broke, these are the people who will learn what they lost here first. Freedom!

These are the people who already can't afford to go to the doctor because they literally can barely afford to pay for a roof over their heads and food alone... And the Obama administration wants to take that away from them.

How much will it take to break your budget?

You will pay, one way or the other. You will have no choice, you can be fined, and even sent to jail.

You want health care reform.... Go for it.

The end game in health care reform is for the government to expand further than ever before by taking over one of the largest capitalist systems in the US economy.

Just look long and hard at what has already been nationalized, and imagine what it will mean for this government to also have control over health care.

Change eh?

You are all blowing this out of proportion.

First of all, Obama said during his health care reform address a few weeks ago that there would be options for people who cannot afford insurance. A bare bones plan for catastrophic injury on the cheap, or government waivers for people who simply can't afford it. You aren't being suckered into a clever ploy to send you to a FEMA camp because you can't afford insurance.


Secondly, this plan actually makes sense. It makes sense for the same reason that we are obligated to have automobile insurance. So that we don't burden others with our liability. If someone smashes into my car, I know I don't have to pursue litigation to get money to fix my car. The mandatory insurance covers it.

Same thing with people who show up at emergency rooms for treatment who have no money or insurance. The hospitals have to foot the bill, which is one of the reasons why health care is so expensive anyway.

Compulsory insurance solves that problem.

With a robust public option, even that fresh faced new college graduate will be able to afford it, that's the point, to make it affordable and accessible enough for all Americans.

Originally posted by suicydking
Obama said

That is where the problems begin, because Obama himself does not have a plan, and I am beginning to wonder if he even knows what is in the several versions of health care reform bills.

He is simply pimping the agenda to the people, as any really good salesman would.

In sales, how much truth will you actually deliver?

How much will you distort that truth, or even lie to sell your product?

A good sales staff is always coached in how they should sell a product, the truth and facts are irrelevant to the goal.

You can look at it any way you want, but the truth is that for many people who will fall into the income levels that require coverage this will mean that they will be forced to get coverage they cannot afford... Or else.

It is the only way the government run system can work, a combination of controlling services and treatments along with forcing people without coverage to pay is the only way the government can do it without massive costs.

That all must be done before they can get to a single payer system that is truly affordable for all.

It doesn't matter what I or Obama or anyone says at this point, if they pass health care reform there are certain things that must be in it.

The economy is bad and getting worse, people are trying to survive as best they can, those who are working will have to pay for those who are not... That fact will not be missed in the final version of health care reform legislation, nor will the ultimate massive controlling bureaucracy that will control costs in heath care. These points are not negotiable.

Either reform passes or it does not.

It's a matter of time now.