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But where in the actual bill is this provision? Has anyone stated this? Or is this more fear mongering and conjecture without facts?
...This transformation was the result of organized plans developed by a group of highly powerful – though unelected – financial and industrial executives who wanted to drastically change agricultural practices in the US to better serve their collective corporate financial agenda. This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation's foreign policies...
America saw its agricultural system intentionally subjected to political policies that radically transformed it. What was once a decentralized system that provided a means to self sufficiency and independence for tens of millions of farmers was purposefully centralized into a capital-intensive fossil-fuel dependent system that restructured local economies, permitting their wealth to be extracted by what are now transnational cartels dedicated to the so-called free market and globalized trade at all costs.
Pollan asks a critically important question about why livestock were removed from pastures and stuffed into confined area feed lots: “Why did we ever turn away from this free lunch in favor of a biologically ruinous meal based on corn? Why in the world did Americans take ruminants off the grass? And how could it come to pass that a fast-food burger produced from corn and fossil fuel actually cost less than a burger produced from grass and sunlight?”
Though Pollan doesn't directly answer that question, he does recognize that Earl Butz's famous refrain of “Get big or get out” had a lot to do with the answer. But Butz, we must now acknowledge, was only implementing CED policy recommendations.
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by December_Rain
Ensign's original question pertained to what would happen if someone refused to buy the mandated insurance AND refused to pay the unlawful (my word) fine the government has proposed for those who refuse to carry insurance. That fine is to be an estimated $1,900 fine and is called to be imposed upon the individual by the IRS. Thus, the response that failure to pay the fine would be prosecutable under the tax code.
Obama is a lying scumbag and this proves it. The healthcare reforms he's pushing for, with the included penalty for noncoverage being enforced by the IRS, PROVE that he is raising taxes on the middle class of America. Something he promised not to do. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Where the heck have you been on this debate??? The list of problems with the health Care bill was posted by a right winger on tweeter. A thread was started at ATS to look at the complaints vs the actual language in one of the bill. The result was enough to give me nightmares.
The insurance companies will RUN this program just like the Ag Corporations RUN the USDA and the FDA. Ask WHO will benefit and Who will run the program and you see it is not "health care" it is Medical Insurance Welfare. Just another scheme to rape the poor and middle class.
To put it into historical context please read about another Clinton/Obama agenda that lacks the high emotional content. History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job
Here is the DEMOCRATS position (Butz was a democrat) Earl Butz's famous refrain of “Get big or get out” SO the DEMOCRATS represent the "little man" If you believe that I have this bridge I want to sell....
Aww no new taxes? i thought that was obamas thing ... no defecit no taxes ... money grows on trees!!! Debate 101 look at what your debating then continue... game over
Originally posted by dizzie56
We are all screwed.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
Government has become destructive and its now the RIGHT of the people to alter it and to reiturate it's priciples that we once started with.
1) Kick em all out and set term limits along with gettin rid of the pension fund.
2) Get people in there that wont sell their souls and make them answer to every vote they make as to why they went either way.
3) Party like its 1999 again because we just took our country back and WE THE PEOPLE are now in control instead of WE THE POLITICIANS.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by jdub297
The last major action on HR 3200 is
7/31/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by the Yeas and Nays: 31 - 28.
So how is that there is no time to review it?
I don't expect anyone to spoon feed me. But I don't want to have people try and feed me tripe and call it good either.
This plan has a lot to do with people like me. So I am quite interested in what it does and what it does not do. I don't want to be left out of yet another plan supposedly to help people.
Harry Reid is said to be planning to force the health care bill through the Senate using the “nuclear option” of Reconciliation.
The Nevada Democrat, who has issued similar threats before, spoke as the Senate Finance Committee began debate over Chairman Max Baucus’ reform plan. Reid threatened to use a budgetary tool called reconciliation — also known as the “nuclear option” — that would allow Democrats to pass key parts of the legislation with a simple majority, as opposed to the 60 votes needed to avoid a Republican filibuster. “If we can’t work this out to do something within the committee structure, then we’ll be forced to do the reconciliation,” Reid said, adding that he views that as a “last resort.”
Originally posted by jdub297
By the way, the CBO reviewed the Senate Finance Cmtee's bill today.
Confirms that they will gnerate billions of $$ from the "fines" that many on this thread say we won't have to pay.
But you get free health care in custody. They get you into the system either way.
Now you are a convicted felone. You lose the right to vote and the right to own any firearm. Sounds like a sneaky way to get more control out of the people than they really wants to admit.
The Obamacare medical insurance coverage plan...
will be able to clear out all those tent cities that the growing numbers of homeless are creating.