Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by JWH44
I believe it is safe to say we all, the world over share in your shame if not the self centered reaction to it as a means for personal denial and to
avoid culpability and guilt through association.
First of all, thank you for taking the time to devote so much of your opinion in responding to my post. But also allow me to address it; I don't
believe that I mentioned "my shame" anywhere in my post. I have stayed fairly quiet on the original topic of the post because I simply wanted to
make a point about demonizing all law enforcement. I think I've made that point. To say that I am self-centered in my response is puzzling to me;
where did I mention myself? I am trying to speak for the officers that you so quickly denounce as a whole as evil. You want to hold me in contempt
and blame me because I spoke up and I am distasteful to you? So be it; I've been called much worse and I've been attacked much more harshly.
Believe me, I can take it.
As far as guilt through association, where do you get that? Guilty of what? Was I there? No. And no, that is not me distancing myself or admitting
that I feel the actions were wrong. Regardless, let me say this: I have read through the entire post and watched the majority of the videos (I am
unable to watch them at work and my wife keeps me pretty busy around the house) but from what I've seen, I can only conclude this; I can't make a
full conclusion without seeing the whole picture. None of us can.
These snippits of footage show the final moments of the incident. It
doesn't show any of the context clearly. Were you there? Did you see everything that went on? I know I didn't. So who am I to say what
transpired. If someone who was there feels they were stripped of their rights than they should speak out. File a complaint; write their
representative; call the attorney general; find an attorney. Stand up for your rights!
I know, I know... You are going to say that everyone is corrupt and you cannot turn to anyone. My response; oust your corrupt representatives. It
can be done and I fully support removing those from power that do not belong. Easier said than done? Of course, but you can; you just have to
organize those who feel the same as you into a coherent, reasonable voice. As you have admitted yourself, many of the "mainstream" outlets tend to
discredit voices that they regard as "extreme". You can fight against that, or you can fight with it by playing the game. What I mean by that is,
don't allow yourself to be instantly marginalized by using such extreme rhetoric. That instantly labels you as "out there" and makes it hard to
convey your message to an accepting audience. Am I discrediting your opinions? Absolutely Not. But you have to play to win.
On this forum, you are pandering to a captive audience. You all feel strongly about these topics and and I applaud that. In spirit, I agree with
many of you. But if you want to reach beyond these virtual walls, then put some of that intellect into choosing how you want to fight your battle.
Play the game then try to make change. Realize the rules and play by those rules and you might just find that your collective voices will not fall on
One more thing I wanted to address to you, Sir, before I leave; another of your posts further down the line mentions a "confession" by a Federal Law
Enforcement officer. I can only assume that you are referring to me. In that light, what exactly did I confess to? I must have missed that.
Well, my post ended up nowhere near where I had planned on going with it. I enjoy these discussions and look forward to many more.
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[edit on 27-9-2009 by 12m8keall2c]
[edit on 9/27/2009 by JWH44]