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I cannot talk for other people, but this sceptic here does not refute evidence. What I try to do is to understand the evidence and what it means, and then I "classify" that evidence as more or less likely to explain whatever it supposedly explains. This classification is as subjective as anyone else's opinions, so it can (and usually does) change with time and with the other evidence and related data that I gather through my life.
Originally posted by heyo
skeptics don't deny possibilites they deny, or more accurately, refute evidence.
Obviously, it would be silly not to deny the possibilities and then say it could not happen, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
they won't deny possibilities, yet still say it could happen.
I don't understand what you mean, to me, what you're saying makes no sense.
I'd like to hear the "skeptics" explanation on how they can refute evidence of all things alien yet still proclaim that they exist.
and where there's water..
I've heard self proclaimed 'skeptics' use the rationale that since we have yet to prove the existence of an Earthlike world, then they don't exist.
As Yeti pointed out already, they likely do, and a true skeptic would include the probability for such worlds in their factoring. That's a part of being a true skeptic, including current Science's understanding of the universe in your analysis...
There are 2 factors that bug me when a self proclaimed 'skeptic' argues against the possibility of intelligent life existing on other planets, and having visited here.
I would like to add this link, however it will take a time to read. It is written by astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle ... www.answersingenesis.org...
By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Skeptical Ed
But the OP said "life".
[edit on 9/25/2009 by Phage]
Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Originally posted by atsbeliever
A huge blow to the skeptics
Quotes like this annoy me.
Could you provide me with a link that shows someone stating that there is no water on the moon or anywhere else in the universe? If not then stop your ignorance. In fact, you will only find a tiny percentage of sceptics telling you there is no life elsewhere in the universe. Maybe you need to re-learn your understanding of what sceptism is?
[edit on 25-9-2009 by Hawkwind.]
Originally posted by Total Package
I think the main issue with skeptics is their continual proclamation that there is no "evidence" that ET's have visited this planet.... when that is purely not the case.
I find this view extremely irritating and beyond skepticism... that's where we are talking personal beliefs getting in the way of reasoning. Their personal beliefs are we haven't been visited... so they take no notice of the actual evidence there is.... regardless of whether it is anecdotal or otherwise.... and they do this whilst hiding behind quotes from Science... such as "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"... etc etc etc.
At the end of the day for the Skeptics to say there is no proof that ET's have ever visited us..... then they are basically calling 1000's of eyewitnesses liars.... every person connected with Roswell..... every alien abductee are all making it up and delusional.... every airline pilot that has spotted these things many many years ago... all delusional... not to mention men like Col Philip Corso complete and utter liars.
We are talking about 100000s of bits of evidence that the skeptics have to come to the conclusion is "bull#".... except they like to use the word "inconclusive" to stop them from having to change their belief system and admit they were wrong. Only 1 piece of evidence has to be right to prove ET existence... yet the skeptics don't wanna hear about it. They want that giant billboard in the sky to tell them look its real.... and it all comes down to their ego. The good old Ego... is a very powerful weapon.
Originally posted by EsSeeEye
reply to post by Skeptical Ed
Ed, I like what you're trying to do, I really do. I have issues with your extreme views only because it's going to give you trouble in other realms. What are your views on evolution? It's a well-known fact, though has yet to be witnessed in large scale to the degree that should be required by the views you're attributing yourself to.
Math and statistics are there for a reason, and shouldn't be discounted. That doesn't mean your objectivity is totally unwelcome, of course, because I'm personally surprised to see it, and kind of like hearing things from your perspective.
That said, disregarding the mathematical probability of life somewhere else is the same as picking up a rock on the street and denying the possibility of bacteria on it. Is it possible that there are no bacteria? Sure. But the laws of probability will be against you.
Originally posted by PhagePlease point out a single skeptic (on ATS) who has said otherwise. Please point out a single skeptic (on ATS) who has denied the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
Originally posted by Lazyninja
I'm not sure why they're bothering to report on it, since most everybody knows about it already.