We're here! We're queer! We're 13!, page 2

reply to post by HotDogNoBun

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Yeah. Let's also ban jewish couples having children due to some the genetic disease too! Can I hear hurrah for the government dictating how we should live?!

Seriously. I don't know where you live, but I live in America where people should always allowed choose how they live as long as they dont directly harm others.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by ZombieOctopus

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Honestly, when I was 12-14 all I thought of were books
I was always at the library reading biochemistry, anatomy, religion, history, physics, aviation, even issues of psychology today.

I'd love for my kids to have the same experience as I did and love reading and knowledge as much as I did and still do.

Even a flower needs to blossom first before a bee comes for nectar.

I don't believe you, honestly. Perhaps that's how you like to remember it.
There's no reason why you can't think of sex and go to the library.

Humans are meant to procreate from the time they hit puberty. If you're saying that you never did then you're essentially throwing stones in a glass house in stating gays are sexual deviants.

There's examples of homosexual relationships between creatures all over this planet, you're opposition to them is an artificial social construct.

Your psychology, biology and history need refreshers before you go around trying to teach.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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It's not politics that has changed our opinion of this issue, it's understanding and deeper knowledge. As for centuries of mental health professionals....would you trust an 18thC doctor to treat your child? Would you consider their knowledge and expertise sufficient by today's standards? I doubt you would. Why then refer to centuries of "mental health professionals", who probably would have put your lesbian daughter or gay teenage son in an asylum, as if their opinion is proof of the "wrongness" of homosexuality?

reply to post by Miraj

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We do live in a free society, but one where sometimes the interests of the nation rise above the interests of an individual.

Why did they ban smoking in public and start taxing the daylights out of it? Because it was costing society too much money to help people survive lung cancer caused by smoking. It is the same way with homosexuality. How much must it cost society to keep someone alive for 50 years who has to take a huge cocktail of drugs just to make it.

reply to post by Miraj

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you said it brother, this is America where people SHOULD be able to do whatever they want, as long as it hurts no one else directly, but since that isn't the way America really is, then I feel that allowing homosexuality to be readily acceptable as status quo just to be P.C is a great injustice to everyone. some things should be left in the the closet, such as homosexuality, next to that suit/dress u can't wear anymore cuz u now have KIDS

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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hence the my reference to the media tainting the youth from an early age, which is completely acceptable because its done for profit and you know the almighty dollar that has devalued like 96% since April or something lol

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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You didn't read the rest of my post...

I totally agree that childhood and early teen years have become far too sexualised. I find it disturbing. But we cannot ignore the fact that young teenagers are aware of how they feel and who they are attracted to at a very young age, and should not be made to feel that their choice is wrong because they are gay. The early awareness and how it's handled has a massive impact on how they develop as adults, and I don't mean that homosexuality should be "corrected" ...of course it shouldn't. They should be made to feel that whatever feelings they have are ok, and they will develop at the right time. It's all "normal".

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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Alright, so your parents were extremely conservative and forced you to be ashamed and hide your sexuality, we get it. However, stop expecting everyone else to put on the rose tinted glasses and pretend that we don't think about sex until some magic lightbulb turns on at 16. I'll raise my children with the open realization that bodily functions and procreation are a normal part of life, and if you have a problem with that you can go mentally handicap your own children, that's your right as a parent.

As for hollywood, don't have a TV in the house, problem solved. I didn't have cable growing up and turned out the better for it. Obviously there will be leak-through, but what can you do? Nothing, so stop promoting Neo-Victorian moral ideals and let people live their lives however they want.

Originally posted by caitlinfae
reply to post by burdman30ott6

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It's not politics that has changed our opinion of this issue, it's understanding and deeper knowledge.

I wholeheartedly disagree. The fact of the matter is, since the APA removed the classification as a disorder in 1974 (following 15 years of pressure from the "gay pride" movement in the free love 60s decade) they have gone out of their way to silence any of their members from even attempting to discuss that the decision may have been erroneous. They completely smeared Robert Spitzer PhD, who chaired the comittee in 1980, for questioning whether it was, in fact, a mental disorder which could be cured, even though he presented much research and evidence that showed people had been cured. In the search for "understanding and deeper knowledge" has no tollerance for alternative theories to even be discussed and tested, then can it truly be considered "deeper knowledge?"

I'm not trying to open a huge battle here, but even the LGBT communities own attitudes don't match up. The claim is that it is a natural hardwiring of sexual identity and attraction which someone is born with. OK, so based on that you're either driving North or you're driving south, depending on what way your brain was wired when you were born. I could accept this... BUT how can bisexuality be anything other than a choice, then? You cannot drive both ways at the same time, yet the APA's current attitude is that this, too, is not a disorder or a choice. There are simply too many deflections of disagreements, suppression of data and evidence, and flat out ad-hominem attacks agaisnt anyone who dares try to open the debate over whether it, in fact, may have been correctly classified as a mental disorder for me to blindly change my thoughts on the topic. I mean, yeah, for centuries man thought the Earth was flat... but after the Earth was discovered to be round, the Round Earth Society didn't take strides to prevent people from proving their find... instead they welcomed the tests because they knew their discovery was unfailable and correct. If the APA and opthers who support the idea that it isn't a disorder are so convicted in that belief, then why wouldn't they also welcome the challenge of those who believe differently?

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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Bisexuality is the same as being ambidextrous you can use both if you like but usually there is one you prefer. Usually someone is Bi-Gay or Bi-Straight. There are shades of gray in everything, nothing is black and white.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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Most kids have a pretty good idea of sexuality for very young. Understanding sexuality and actually becoming sexually active are two different things. And urges can start stirring in kids as young as 10,11, as scarey as that as.

You may want to deny early onset sexuality, but it is there. And people can figure out for themselves which way they swing.


heck, my three year old smoozes every young pretty teen he sees. I can already guess which way he will go.

reply to post by nixie_nox

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Why the hell should it be scary? Its perfectly natural, in fact its only in the past 150 years that the whole culture of repression and denial came about, a side effect of the Victorian culture in England and the rise of the USA (A country founded on the Puritan ideals, deny it or not). It's no more scary than apples growing on tree's, unless you are entirely steeped in conservative ignorance.

reply to post by D.E.M.

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It is not natural. Naturally sex was designed to be engaged in between a man and a woman, hence the reproductive parts. Homosexuality is statistically abnormal, and is caused by one of 3 things.
1. Chemical or Hormonal Imbalance
2. An abnormality in brain development
3. The result of sexual or emotional trauma

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