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The airplane was on an ILS approach to runway 4
when it struck a light pole adjacent to a roadway and crashed into a field.
Just prior to the crash the air traffic controller had warned the crew: "Gulfstream eight five victor tango, check your altitude, altitude indicates four hundred feet."
... around the time of the accident read: KHOU 221253Z 12005KT 1/8SM BR BKN001 BKN006 OVC050 22/22 A3002 (wind 120 degrees at 5kts, visibility 1/8nm/230 m, mist 5-7 oktas cloud at 100ft, 5-7 oktas cloud at 600ft, 8 oktas overcast cloud at 5000ft, temperature 22C, dewpoint 22C, QNH 30.02in)
"The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crew’s failure to adequately monitor and cross-check the flight instruments during the approach. Contributing to the accident was the flight crew’s failure to select the instrument landing system frequency in a timely manner and to adhere to approved company approach procedures, including the stabilized approach criteria."
Originally posted by Seventh
Wrong, I spend hours trying to find similar incidences to cross reference, I wish you guys would actually look at them.
Dear oh dear Dave, why was that video kept classified for so long?,
Sorry....but it's still the old "apples to oranges" problem, of comparison.
An airplane, already slow and configured for landing, that strikes an obstacle might suffer sufficeint structural damage to result in a crash....prior to the intended target (in this case, the runway)
Compare to AA77.
FAST-moving. NOT in the landing configuration, and NOT slow and vulnerable, as in a normal landing situation.
FAST!!! Having momentum. NOT normal. (for airplanes near the ground...)
PS...I hope I don't have to find that YouTube B757 video again???? The high-speed low pass???
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Seventh
Now, why the hell does he describe it as no evidence of a plane crashing whatsoever?..
Because it did not look like what he expected???
Come on...out of context, off the cuff comments = proof???????
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by talisman
BTW, did they match the Serial Numbers back to flight 77? Or was that another given as well?
They didn't need to. The black box was recovered from the Pentagon crash site and it definitely came from AA77. That's also how they know how the pilots navigated the planes to their targets- they just fed the airport closest to the intended target into the autopilot and turned it on. In AA77's case, they fed Ronald Reagan in.
Of course, if people are in a mind to disbelieve everything that disproves their conspiracies then I doubt this would sway them, either.
So, lets go on what we have. The last known altitude reported for AA77 was 7000 feet. And travelled 33 miles in 5 minutes. Thats 6.6 miles per minute or 396 knots (Update: FDR data shows 325 knots average airspeed. 9/11 Commission Report is inaccurate). Then the aircraft began a 330 degree spiraling dive, leveling at 2200 feet to accelerate to the Pentagon while continuing descent.
He started the maneuver at 7000 feet, 396 knots, dove almost 5000 feet within a 330 degree turn and covered 5 miles in about 3 minutes.
So lets take an avg speed throughout the dive of 430 knots (7 miles/min). We know a standard rate turn is 2 mins for 360 degrees. So lets say he completed the turn in just under 2 minutes.
Since we dont know bank angles or speed.
That means he was descending at better than 2500 fpm dropping almost 5000 feet only gaining 30 knots. No problem for guys like you and me, but for Hani? We'll get to him later...
... that video is garbage.... Calibrations were never set properly for Sea Level height. So the Altitude that is being shown in that animation is completely off.
The animation = worthless.
Me I'll put my money on a group of tried and tested pilots who humbly say they couldn't pull this manuever...
Where was our defenses as he casually circled around the MOST SENSITIVE AIRSPACE IN THE WORLD for some 20 minutes??????
Come on there's Cameras that monitor traffic all along the route outside the Pentagon.
There's Cameras all over the roof of the pentagon itself spaced about every 25-30 feet apart.
However an incident that took place over an hour and a half before hand was capture on so many video cameras it's rediculous.
You would think (and I believe there were) people after hearing about NY and seeing the one plnae shadowed by another "supposedly" would be lining that bridge and route toward the Pentagon Cameras ready in Hand to capture anything.
Back to the psy-op...HUGE PLANE does basically an aborted landing and flies right over the Pentagon syncronized with Explosives or the huge white smoke trail projectile.
I doubt more that 5% actually watched the entire thing, while 95% haveing thier cars and persons being blown around in the wake of this Huge Aircraft, most likely put there heads between thier knees for safety reasons.
As I believe Sean Boger did.
...35 feet from him and didn't have his retinas burned out from the heat.
Now Huge plane is gone, things are dead quite...
....what do you think the 95 out of 100 people who didn't actually see the plane crash into the pentagon will deduce, after what they were told happened in N.Y. ?????
It's sad to say that on 9/11/01 my house had better defenses than the Pentagon.
It looks to me that Seventh has exposed video tampering by pentagon official
I believe they didn’t want us to see the missal flying into the pentagon or there would have been no reason to tamper with the video in the first place.
85 CCTV cameras did not
...again I will stress that whilst that plane spent minutes doing the 360 - 330 degree turn...
...yet as soon as the plane hit we have bucketfuls of photos...
On December 9, 2001 U.S. military forces in Jalalabad found a video tape of bin Laden. On December 13, 2001, the United States State Department released a video tape apparently showing Osama bin Laden speaking with Khaled al-Harbi and other associates, somewhere in Afghanistan, before the U.S. invasion had driven the Taliban regime from Kandahar. The State Department stated that the tape was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan during a raid on a house in Jalalabad. The tape was aired with an accompanying English translation. In this translation, Osama bin Laden displays knowledge of the timing of the actual attack a few days in advance; the translation attributes the following lines to bin Laden:
"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes."
On December 20, 2001, German TV channel "Das Erste" broadcast its analysis of the White House's translation of the videotape. On the program "Monitor", two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation to be both inaccurate and manipulative stating "At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic" and that the words used that indicate foreknowledge can not be heard at all in the original cristian. Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg said "The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it."
Some members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth believe that the man in this videotape is not Osama bin Laden at all, citing differences in weight and facial features, along with his wearing of a gold ring, which is forbidden by Muslim law, and using his right hand, although he is left-handed.
The transcript and video is located at youtube.com...
Originally posted by turbofan
I wonder what the Pentagon would say about their video after seeing this?