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Dictators Making Sense? Remember Orwell's 1984...

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posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 10:04 AM
Just thought this was something we all could discuss to see everyone's point of view regarding the recent comments from Dictators such as: Ahmadinejad / Gaddafi / Osama Bin Laden... and histories propaganda regarding the U.S. past Dictators and present.

I will present links for this wide spectrum of subjects that I would like to cover that I would wish that the general population of the world could only see.

History... what we know... what we are taught, is given to us by the PTB. In knowing this, we know that we are only told what they want us to know. Whether it be the truth or fabrication. So, why in the world are we flaming one another regarding this administration or that... This country is better than the other... this Dictator is crazy or is he telling the truth.

Propaganda and manipulation of reality continues to be used in large quantities in the modern world. Governments continue to tell their constituencies what they think they need to know. Advertisers use the whole gamut of propagandist techniques. And although some people can see the reality (and some theorize about improbable conspiracies), most people are taken in and see nothing of how they are manipulated.

Source - Propaganda and how it's used

Reading the quote above, it reminds me of George Orwell's 1984. I'm sure a large portion of people on ATS have seen or have read this Orwell classic. If not, here are some links for you along with video.
1984 By George Orwell

One of many discussions on ATS regarding Orwell's 1984:
Full Movie - 1984
(ATS Forum)

Ignorance is Strength, Chapt 1, Part 1

Wikipedia's link for: Propaganda
Other ATS Posts regarding these so called Dictators/Terrorist
Osama Bin Laden

“History is written by the victors.” - Winston Churchill

What do you think History or Religion would say if the Germans won the war? Or the Japanese? If King James never put the Bible together? If the Confederates won the Civil war?

The United States has had the luxury of winning these wars... Everyone has a different point of view... So ask yourself, is history really the truth?

To the MOD's... wasn't really sure where to put this, so I put it in General Discussion. Please feel free to move where appropriate...

[edit on 9/24/2009 by x2Strongx]

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 10:26 AM
A quote from Orwell's 1984:

The Party sees that throughout all of recorded history there has been three distinct classes of citizens. The High, The Middle, and The Low. The High always wishes to stay high. The middle is never contempt with being the middle, and eventually displaces the high. The middle then breaks off into the high and middle again and the process is started over again. The Low usually wants to destroy all such classifications and create true socialism. INGSOC knows what it wants. It is the high, it wishes to stay high. The way it does it is by keeping it's middle and low in constant drudgery. They falsify info to make it seem as if it is always getting better, and through twists in double speak, it is. Freedom Is Slavery means that as an individual you will die off. As a group you are immortal. You are part of a collective culture that will live on forever. Ignorance Is Strength is the idea that by keeping the people ignorant, they will not realize what is really going on. The Party keeps The Outer Party ignorant by constantly changing The Truth, and destroying all data that could prove the situation otherwise. The Party keeps The Proles ignorant by keeping them content. They are allowed certain liberties like love, having a family, and sexual relations, frankly because they are considered stupid animals. They are of no menace to The Party because they are incapable of intelligent thought.

Does any of this sound familiar?

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 10:50 AM
reply to post by x2Strongx

Great post, i only read 1984 this year but thought it was great and very relevent.

You make a good point about history being written by the victors.

As Napoleon said: “History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.”

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:02 AM
reply to post by x2Strongx

I wonder why Turner Classic Movies or any movie channel does not show 1984? 1984 spells out what we are facing now.

It would be awesome to have a theatrical showing and discussion afterward.

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:04 AM
reply to post by Hazelnut

Yeah, is it me or are films in a similar vein to 1984 always show really late at night on tv or rarely at all.

I know V for Vendetta has been shown on the BBC when probably nobody was awake.

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:12 AM
reply to post by Kram09

I'm glad you noticed that too. I watch the classics often but have not seen 1984 on television. I'm going to do a little looking around to see if I can find programming schedules for this movie or at least an explanation why it is rarely shown.

In a quick search I found the AOL television schedule for the movie

Amazon Sued for Deleted Orwell Books

Amazon founder and chief executive Jeff Bezos apologized last week for remotely deleting the Orwell books, which had not been authorized for sale by the publisher.

Background Information for Orwell's 1984

[edit on 24-9-2009 by Hazelnut]

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:32 AM
reply to post by Hazelnut

Thank you for the links and your posts Hazelnut and Kram...

It does seem kind of suspicious to me as well, why it isn't on Turner Classic myself. I looked at the link for the AOL viewing, and as you said, they seem to show it late night. Maybe the network wants to stay off the radar of the PTB; since most of them are owned by large companies and don't want to be shut down like Chrysler.

[edit on 9/24/2009 by x2Strongx]

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:42 AM
reply to post by Hazelnut

On the link that you have for back ground information... I found this rather informative!!!

In his essay Why I Write, Orwell clearly explains that all the "serious work" he had written since the Spanish Civil War in 1936 was "written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism". [1] Therefore, one can look at Nineteen Eighty-Four as a cautionary tale against totalitarianism and in particular the betrayal of a revolution by those claiming to defend or support it. However, as many reviewers and critics have stated, it should not be read as an attack on socialism as a whole, but on totalitarianism and potential totalitarianism.

I think it says it all...

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:49 AM
And yet another good quote...

Orwell may also have taken a parody of Catholic dogma as part of his inspiration. For example, the term "Big Brother" may be seen as a parody of the Catholic's "Heavenly Father". Like the Catholic's "Holy Father", Orwell's "Big Brother" is an all-seeing, all-knowing figure from which the ruling classes derived their ultimate authority. Orwell suggests, gently, that Big Brother has never existed. The Party's notions of "doublethink" champion belief over rational thought.

Religion is part of the engine for control

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 12:04 PM
reply to post by x2Strongx

I was just reading more from the background link and wanted to bring this to the board for discussion


The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

I get the chills when reading this. Doublethink. Newspeak.

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 12:12 PM
Programming and post-hypnotic suggestions....

Anyone remember the slogan... Yes we can! (Said over and over again)

They are using just about everything but the kitchen sink to keep us all controlled.

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 01:41 PM
Maybe we are transitioning to communism...

have you read the "Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto"?

Ten Planks of the Communist Menifesto

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State. We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

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