Shock Video: School Kids Taught to Praise Obama

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by AshleyD
Regardless, I would be very uncomfortable to have my child do something like this- especially put to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic with lyrics similar to Jesus Loves the Little Children in one stanza. Even if others consider that over reaction, I'm the parent so that's that.

Well within the rights of any parent to take issue...if it is your child.

That said...how uncomfortbale would you be if it was your child in that video and Fox News elevated it to national news as a talking point in the context of the current political climate?

And right wing blogs were broadcasting names and contact information of the school and teachers to your childs school encouraging followers to "express" their discontent??

Ponder that for a moment...

I am not naive, I know about ratings and sensationalism, but really...are we targeting a grade school for singing a song about President Obama during black history month? Is that what we do in this political climate?

I can agree with some of the things you are saying here. However, I would ask you a few things to ponder....

Whose fault is it that this has happened to these kids? Personally I would argue the teacher.

Through showing this video, and hopefully this raises this sort of indoctrination to an issue and it is stopped. If that is the case, people seeing this video will prevent other kids from being center stage in a political debate.

And lastly, if this was 5 years ago and a school doing this to Bush, there would justifiable outrage. No sitting President should forced down kids throats to praise with a church-like song spouting the teacher's personal opinions.....

Uhm, hunt down my previous post, I talked about where my child's elem school did JUST THIS about two years ago when Bush was still president. All the children wore red white and blue, sang songs about the president as well as past presidents and the different military branches.

I don't ever remember anyone "complaining" and it sure did not make national news.

So you are absolutely wrong in your assumption.

If I remember correctly, one of the songs was sung to Amazing Grace. But as we live in a predominately republican area, everyone was happy, smiling and clapping.

I can guarantee that my child really did not become "enamored" of Bush because of it. They even DANCED (gasp).

But, again as it does not support your opinion those of you hating on this will just sweep right over this FACT. Enjoy your wolves, cause I am getting really sick of it, and am beginning to just roll my eyes and ignore anything any of you guys complain about.

Harm None
Peace

Originally posted by oggie168
This is my first time post. I have been following ATS for awhile, and I find many of the discussions thought provoking. But I must disagree with the tone of this thread, as I do not believe anything subversive is occurring with these children. I am not going to indicate my political beliefs, but I would like to say that I do not have a problem with children singing a song praising our president whether it be Obama, Bush or William Howard Taft. If I have missed something more significant in the thread, indicating a malicious act involved with this song, my apologies. But I really think we are getting off base when we chastise this act.

I do have to hand it to you, you are consistent. But let me ask you this; do you have a problem with a teacher that wrote a book about Obama, promoting the book using the kids, and also taking a Christian song's lyrics and replacing the name Jesus with Obama's name? Does any of that bother you?

Originally posted by amazed


Uhm, hunt down my previous post, I talked about where my child's elem school did JUST THIS about two years ago when Bush was still president. All the children wore red white and blue, sang songs about the president as well as past presidents and the different military branches.

I don't ever remember anyone "complaining" and it sure did not make national news.

So you are absolutely wrong in your assumption.

If I remember correctly, one of the songs was sung to Amazing Grace. But as we live in a predominately republican area, everyone was happy, smiling and clapping.

I can guarantee that my child really did not become "enamored" of Bush because of it. They even DANCED (gasp).

But, again as it does not support your opinion those of you hating on this will just sweep right over this FACT. Enjoy your wolves, cause I am getting really sick of it, and am beginning to just roll my eyes and ignore anything any of you guys complain about.

Harm None
Peace

Well if they did this about Bush, it should have made the news and it should have stopped. Teacher's behavior and teaching towards children should be devoid of politics. Regardless of what party a President belongs to, this should not happen. And from a religious perspective, no one's name should take the place of Jesus in songs, nor should they be elevated to near God-like status. Fanatic devotion to something that should be a servant to the people should not be elevated above all, including God.

Originally posted by RobertAntonWeishaupt
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Sorry, Johnny misread your question. Kind of answered it in my last post, but not really.

If this is actually happening as presented here, it irritates but is hardly the end of the world. There is all sorts of horrid crap forced upon our kids in the public school system from that Pledge of Allegiance nonsense (I would rather they pledge allegiance to a set of ideals than to a cloth banner which can be feverishly waived by any sociopath) to revisionist history, to "lattice" multiplication and "Intelligent Design" non-science.

I would simply hope that A) The parents of these kids are raising them to be thinking analytical beings who recognize shinola in opposition to its less desirable counterpart. B) The teacher gets a reprimand for mixing politics with learning (a few snide comments on the banality of the song would not be out of line either).

I can agree nearly 100% with this post of yours. This is not the end of the world, but it is worrisome. And yes, there are many other problems in the schools and tons of BS that kids are forced to sit through. But the way I look at it is, current existing mistakes don't make more acceptable. At some point we need to reform the schools and take all of that BS out.

Turns out this teacher wrote a pro-Obama book (you can see a blown up cover of it in the background) and claims to have went to school with him at Harvard. This song was not the product of anti-Obama forces. Most likely its the product of a very misguided teacher that should be disciplined. But it also speaks to larger issues..... a much bigger picture than this one song.

Look, I don't see anythign wrong with this.

It happens everywhere and I don't think Obama gives a damn of indoctrinating little kids that probably won't see Obama in the ballots in their lifetime.



How is this different from the Pledge of Allegiance to a flag? How about the Star Spangled Banner which is hte only national anthem that has rockets and bombs?

OK. I am a very open mentally flexible person so please do not judge. From what I hear according to the voices in this video the teachers who taught those students are black themselves and I know that topic seems small compared to the bigger picture, But African Americans have a huge sense of pride now that finally they see there people in charge (Obama) obviously because of the countless years of oppression. the problem is they are so proud that a black man is in power that they are overlooking what he is actually trying to do.

Originally posted by die_another_day

How is this different from the Pledge of Allegiance to a flag? How about the Star Spangled Banner which is hte only national anthem that has rockets and bombs?

A flag is not a president. The flag represents the country.
A president represents the president.

Originally posted by die_another_day
Look, I don't see anythign wrong with this.

How is this different from the Pledge of Allegiance to a flag? How about the Star Spangled Banner which is hte only national anthem that has rockets and bombs?

Wow, you are really asking that and can't see it for yourself?

Those things are about our country and respect for our nation. There are not political statements in the pledge or in the national anthem. Additionally, the pledge and the national anthem are all optional and do not promote one person or one political party. This song is about the promotion of one man's policies and virtues, and this teacher's opinion being forced on the kids.

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disgusting. this man has been president for 8 months. apparently the school district has tried to say that this was appropriate because it was in celebration of black history month. ridiculous. to reduce the civil rights movement and racial struggle in this country to a simple politician's agenda.

Originally posted by loam
It's like watching a classroom in North Korea.

Amazing.

My thoughts exactly.

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This incident would not be as much of a hot potato but for the timing. Federal education is unconstitutional and a refreshed awareness of constitutionality is at the heart of these reactions. Not that grade-schoolers look up to an engaging minority president. I for one looked up to JFK when in grade-school. I had no political affiliation, I still don't, I just saw an engaging president that represented my background and this for the first time in the history of our country. Yes, an Irish-Catholic president was a big deal then. We also did not see Kennedy's warts while he was living.

We've all grown a little older and wiser since the early 60's but now YouTube clips and soundbites rule our lives. Yes, we are all influenced to some extent by these crowd control devices. The warts are fresh and in our faces almost instantly, not decades later. Everything is suspect because that is now possible through technology and through our modern expectations.

Administrations dating back to at least Eisenhower (and many here believe further) have shown nearly complete contempt for the voting, taxpaying population. That many reactions are emotional should be expected. Keep in mind also that nothing stated here has hurt anyone as our words do not become law. A representative republic not a democracy.

Our reactions are evidence of the frustration stemming from electing representatives that change course once elected based on the premise "they know what's best". If that premise were the truth behind their actions and not darker, clandestine influences, we would be far better off. We readily see the men behind the curtain. Hell, they wave to us. There are only two responses to this audacity. One is to be infuriated by it and the other is to consider them benign as in "why else would we be allowed to see that?". These are polarizing times by design. We are being played one against the other so that the illusion of two parties is maintained and our combined strength is never realized.

Mark your calendars folks, for today is the day that America died!

You will be injected with experimental medicine...like it or not...
The government won't listen to you...they do as they please...
You will accept government run health care...or pay $3500 a year...
You will not smoke...not after they keep raising taxes...
Your children will praise Obama...like it or not...
You are a terrorist or nut-job...if you disagree with this administration...
Your government will spend your money...to get rich and make friends...
You will be tracked...micro-chip or GPS census...you have no choice...
Your military serves the government...not the people or the constitution...
Your leaders don't read the laws they pass...too much work...
They don't need to take your guns...just your bullets...
Etc., etc., etc.

There used to be a saying that went "A fool and his money are soon parted" (or something like that). I guess we can simply replace "money" with "freedom". Kim Jong Il, Putin, Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Hitler...they don't have a thing over this administration. "Big Brother" was a pipe-dream...this is more like "Our Father". Excuse me while I go vomit!

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Americans put this man into office based on consensus.

It loses 99% of any effectiveness when you can't understand a single word said in the whole video.

Anyone got a translation into english?

[edit on 24-9-2009 by cuthbert]

SO what is the point of this OP???

What specific lesson am I missing?

Originally posted by die_another_day
reply to post by johnny2127

 

Americans put this man into office based on consensus.

Actually there was a complete lack of consensus......

Noun S: (n) consensus (agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole) "the lack of consensus reflected differences in theoretical positions"; "those rights and obligations are based on an unstated consensus"

Definition

Originally posted by die_another_day
reply to post by johnny2127

 

Americans put this man into office based on consensus.

Consensus?

con·sen·sus (kn-snss)
n.
1. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole:

2. General agreement or accord:

Not precisely accurate.

Just a bit more than half of voters went for Obama. The rest did not.

That is a technical majority but not what would be termed a consensus.

As far as general agreement or accord goes, this country couldn't be any more in disagreement.

Nope.

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I would have to say Johnny, that no I do not have a problem with it. Do I think its in poor taste, and promoting a private agenda- yes. Would I be fond of the idea with my children- no. But I don't believe the punishment fits the act in this case, the punishment being the held belief that this is a larger conspiracy to indoctrinate our children into a set political ideology. So do we say one small act is the catalyst for a much larger one, or that the process is taking place in other schools, and we have yet to see the evidence-let's hope not. This is probably just a case of a subjective teacher using poor judgement. These discussions are great- Thanks.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Originally posted by Hemisphere

Originally posted by 2 cents
Do we really need for history to completely repeat itself before I can say, too late I might add, there are many similarities between now and Obama and Hitler and Germany then. Are these our warnings?

The dire economic situations are similar. The cult of personalities are similar. The devious elitist advisers are similar. That many people blindly followed the offerings of hope and change is similar. That few fully knew the men they entrusted is similar. That some ignored what they knew about these men is similar.

Beyond that I just don't see it.

The comparisons to Hitler are really becoming tiresome. In the 20's and early 30's Germany was a war devastated country, occupied by foreign troops and completely emasculated after WW1. The country was geographically fractured with ethnic Germans living as minorities in neighboring countries that had their borders shifted due to the the spoils of war. This is the stage that was set for Hitler. There is absolutely no comparison. Try studying some history and while you're at it, start acting like an American and support your president. Your delusional my friend.

I think you meant "You're delusional my friend". Danke!

Yes of course, history!

National Socialist teachers of questionable ability stepped into grammar school and high school classrooms to form young minds, strictly abiding by the Party motto, "The supreme task of the schools is the education of youth for the service of Volk and State in the National Socialist spirit." They taught Nazi propaganda which was then recited back by their students as unshakable points of view with no room for disagreement or discussion. - excerpted from "Hitler Youth", The History Place .com

Thank your lucky stars that government run education is unconstitutional in the US. That was designed as a safeguard against this type of mind control. Doh!!!

Schirach's goal in 1936 was to enroll the entire population of ten-year-olds throughout Germany into the Hitler Youth as a present for Hitler on his 47th birthday. Called "The Year of the Jungvolk," enormous pressure was put on young children to join. In school, they were pressured by Nazi-affiliated teachers. At home and at play, they were aggressively pursued by individual Hitler Youths and through neighborhood propaganda marches, meetings for parents, and special childrens' sing-a-longs. - excerpted from "Hitler Youth", The History Place .com

Just a few sing-a-longs for "The Year of the Socialist" and membership in the Obama Youth Corps.

Nothing to see here, move along.

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your words are so filled with wisdom.

I am kind of on both sides when it comes to his leadership. Like, he is helping now, but he has so much power, it can go to his head.