Ask an initiate and member of secret societies

Considering the current lambasting we Freemasons and Knights Templar are receiving it is understandable why we retreat into our so-called 'secrets'.

Of course the opposition now is more genteel than it once was, for example when we were roasted alive or murdered by Hitler because we posed some kind of 'threat'.

Esoteric groups have a great gift to offer mankind, for those who seek it, but it's not necessary to join up in a secret society to figure out the mysteries.

Personally I think it's easier to understand through the context of esoteric groups and teachings, but any person can uncover the Truth.

why no answering my question ? what are those masons for ?

Actually, your previous post asked about the Mansons, not the Masons. That's why nobody bothered answering. Charlie Manson couldn't be a Mason... convicted felon and all that.

What are Masons for? I'll point you to the answer to question 6 on this page. Hodapp writes better than I do.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with many of the broad sweeping statements made by the OP in this post.

Information is not withheld for the sake of maintaining power, it is withheld for the purposes of the progress and process of the individual Initiate. Furthermore, even were this information disclosed entirely (most of it has already been disclosed in one form or another) the laymen doesn't know what to do with it, how to make use of it, or how to apply it to themselves.

The vast majority of occultists are partaking in what amounts to an open air mental ward, people with all kinds of psychological and social problems who have these problems amplified many times over by dabbling in these ritual practices.

The true purpose of all Initiation and Occult practices is the realization of the Individuals Highest Being, their True Self to which all other selves are subservient. The Divine Within to which all other energies within give obedience. It is the rectification and solidification of the forces which make up man in the individual resulting in what has been called the Philosophers Stone.

As for Thelema, despite the questionable personage of Aleister Crowley, Thelema in itself is a doctrine of this very form of spiritual sovereignty and internal integrity, it is based upon the principles of freedom of choice and ethical and moral liberation.

None of what you have "revealed" is anything that everyone even mildly interested in the subject could learn for themselves no Google, and you shouldn't state personal beliefs as absolute facts. Any Initiate, let alone a Grandmaster of a 600 year old Lodge, would know better than any of this!

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Freemasons?

We are the world's largest charitable fraternity. We are a society that uses a peculiar system of allegory to teach good men how to become better men.

Or at least that's what the brochure says.

MasonicLight: You may think so, but certainly Crowley and OTO were greatly involved with other entities in their work. He even tried to create what he termed a "Moon child" through occult processes involving such entities. If you have been in a traditional OTO lodge that still practice the old way you should know what they are about - and the perversities they take part of. I have been there, seen it, and group sex and other rituals are often participated in. So are blood offerings. Most esoteric orders are quite aware of the existence of such entities mentioned, and most of them also work together with them, including other orders like the Rosicrucians, the Theosophs ets. Also remember Crowleys background in Golden Dawn and A.A among other things. He did take part of extremely complex rituals spanding over months, and actually got his own house in a desolate area to perform these dark rituals - which he did not complete. In my personal opinion, he ruined himself because of failed rituals that opened up for negative energies that infested him and changed him - this is clear by looking at his earlier work compared to his later, and what he was involved with.

Zandermander: Did I not make the reason for the thread clear in my first post? If not, try read it again, I stated why I made this thread.

I am personally involved with 5 Orders & Societies, and more than familiar with several others as I have fellow friends and members from the ones I am in myself that are also part of other orders.

Am I a great global loner? Well, are we not all in the end?

Seventhdoor:

You are basically stating what I already did, just differently. I said there were several reasons the secrets are kept within the orders and their members. Shortly, one is to prepare the students properly by time, and secondly because the knowledge gives great power. After all, that is why most world leaders are members of these orders - because it gives them the power they got. They are mostly part of what i call the "dark orders" though which mainly focuses on the power aspect.


Regarding what I have revealed, I have simply answered the questions given. What do you want me to reveal? Ask me a great question worthy great disclosures and I will be more than happy to answer it, I was indeed hoping for deeper questions than what has been posted so far that would touch more upon certain topics of greater interest.

To what I didn't quote: I know the occult is rife in the political area for better or worse. No mystery. It's quite different in nature than the conspiracists would have you believe.

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Is this one of those freewill things? You cannot impose it? If so, what about all the others that didn't ask?

You don't have to be so much like the universe tends to be-- ask the wrong questions, you tend to get lies, ask the right questions you tend to get truths.

I think you guys are still trying to raise the level of frustration. What for?

What exactly, precisely, in no uncertain terms is "great power"?

What about our true origins, true destiny and true light is now hidden from us at large?

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Enlightenup:

Things are in many cases differnt than what the conspirarists wants to believe, indeed. I personally recommend people to actually get some personal experience instead of just believing what they read. Thats what I do. I am a member of occult and secret societies since birth due to family reasons, so I know more of the truth because of that.

It is no problem for people to join the secret societies themselves either, so they actually can get inside experience of what it is all about. Anyone can basically become a freemason, a rosicrucian, a thelemite, and so on.

Sorry for my somewhat lack of good english, i am not sure if i understand all your questions correctly, but do you believe I am part of raising frustration because I am part of such orders and societies? If so, that is completely opposite of the truth. I am here to teach people what it is all about, and give real answers, real truth in these regards, and to assist in raising consciousness and awareness about these matters and what it involves.

What is great power you ask - well, great power is the ability to control and understand your own life and being, the mysteries of existence and life, and how various energies effect all. To some, this great power is used to abuse and control others instead of doing greater things..

Our true origins, and destiny, the light, is indeed hidden to some degree, for most people, simply because of the world consisting of world leaders whom use the knowledge for their OWN purpose and do not share the knowledge with the people.

Imagine how great the world would be if our leaders told us about all the wonders of existence they know of, all the mysteries, all our powers. Yet they do not, even though they know all about it, again, this is because they are selfish and want power.

Again sorry if I misunderstood your questions and did not respond properly, my english is not perfect and you tend to speak in a somewhat complex way for me.

Best regards.

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Thank you.

You outlined things around my question pretty well but, part of what I meant to convey in my question about hidden origins, destiny and light is, what sort of earth-shattering revelations about it do you have that if revealed would be disruptive to society, perhaps catastrophically so, if revealed to the masses, especially if there were solid evidence to support what is revealed?

In addition to the what and in addition to that above, if true, I have to ask do you think it is available to all who seek regardless of whether or not they have affiliations with secret orders?

What is it the world leaders really know about those things? There are the legends of course, many routinely discussed on ATS, but what do you know of the truth?

So, what is there that is supremely taboo? To me, nothing about this stuff seems taboo or shocking, just interesting.

Hi.

I have a couple of Qs

1. Can you explain to me how you are an initiate and a Grand Master at the same time?

2. What would your fellow Masons think of you if they knew you posted on a conspiracy forum about fremasonry?

3. What did your fraternal brothers say when you told them about your teleporting activities and that you'd divulged that to tens of thousands of conspiracy nuts?

4. What did your fraternal Brothers say when you told them you were an alien, but not only an alien but an alien who posts on one of the worlds biggest conspiracy sites?

5. It seems to me that to be a member of such orders one must become and remain, learned men. So what is the Freemason standpoint on poor grammar and spelling?

6. I was wondering what you knew/thought of 'Des Erreurs et de la Verie.'

7. In your opinion what were the causes of the big schisms of Free Masonry.

Thanks in advance.

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Enlightenup:

Thanks for clarifying.

The potential dangerous revelations of these secrets are the ones that give a person the ability to do certain things like controlling other people, gaining a godlike status (meaning in the form of attractive powers, such as certain world leaders and others with a lot of power), spiritual warfare against others, more mind control and brainwashing techniques, harmful magical powers against others, and so on. Lets use an example, the infamous Remote Viewing program of the CIA. This is actually something taught in these secret societies, but the governments use these abilities for warfare, spying, and mind control over distance. It IS possible to insert thoughts, ideas and actions into other people through specific methods, which do relate to Remote Viewing and Astral Projection among other things. So these are some of the dangers. There are people who will use such powers for such things - indeed they are already doing it.

For the question regarding whom these "secrets" are available for, and if you need to be part of such a society, the answer is simply that EVERYONE have these abilities inbuilt, they just need to learn how to control it and use it properly. After all, Man created the Secret Societies that teach these things in the first place, from Self-Discovery, so indeed no one need to join any order, society, or similar, to gain deep insights and understanding, but it CAN help get through the route quicker so to speak, as you will gain directions and tested methods that are centuries old and perfected for quick and certain results. Studying on ones own can be somewhat difficult as it is hard to know WHAT to study, WHAT to practice, and so on. But it certainly is possible, but I myself would encourage everyone to join various secret societies and orders for two reasons: One is for their own self-development in a safe and secure tested way where one will be guided through the steps and helped and assisted along the way - The other is to see these orders from within, to gain greater understanding of their true purpose, what kind of people are part of them, and what exactly the secrets are and what they do.

The world leaders know about these things , at least the TRUE world leaders whom run the show from mostly hidden places. They use this knowledge for their own agendas, to gain power, to keep control and to let the people in general in the darkness so to speak, offering them fake substitutes like various religions etc instead to satisfy the inbuilt spiritual nature of Man.

But, I must add, not ALL world leaders are sinister, evil, or only working for their own agenda to control the world. There ARE good people in the highest places whom are working for the better of all, and indeed these are spreading and becoming a larger group, and I know there are plans in progress to more or less completely force out the "dark ones" and substitute the system with the "good ones" for the better of ALL people in the world. This is a long process though, difficult, and performed on many levels, both politically, socially, psychologically, spiritually, and so on.

Supreme taboos may be considered what certain of these individuals are doing within their orders. Mostly these are the ones I refer to as the "dark ones" whom take part of rather pervers events, rituals, and also work together with various spiritual entities that can also be called "dark" or even demonic. There is something to the saying that one can sell ones soul to Satan for cetain benefits. That is of course a metaphor though and has nothing at all to do with "Satan" himself, but lets say it is is possible to gain benefits for working for certain entities, just as one may receive benefits for doing various work for other people and organizations in more earthly ways.

Sharps:

I am member of several orders, not just one. I am initiated into different degrees of different orders, and I am the grandmaster of one order.

Many of my mason friends know that I am posting things like these, and in fact they support it as I am not speaking bad about masons in general, they are mostly nice guys, I never met a "bad" mason and some of my best friends are masons. What I try expose, so to speak, is other organizations and societies of a more sinister nature, when it comes to negative aspects of secret orders.

My fraternal brothers again support most of what I reveal, because my fraternal brothers are of the good kind like myself whom WANT the truth to come out to more people. In fact, many of them are gently releasing truths through such things as movies, books, art, and other related subjects, trying to make people achieve a more open mind. Many are also operating with sub-groups, which one could say have been created for educating the public about the occult and spiritual nature.

Also, as far as the teleporting goes, that had nothing to do with any orders or societies, but governments, and is a completely different topic, except for the fact that teleportation IS a spiritual experience and in fact discussed and widely known about within many orders and societies.

My alien origins are not very rare or special for my order members and fraternal brothers. A lot of the teachings in these orders actually come from other entities and what you could call aliens. We are in constant contact with such entities and they assist us and others with gaining deeper insights and understanding. If you look at the origin of many orders, you will find they were created from contact with other entities whom channeled the teachings to specific individuals whom then started these orders to spread the teachings.

If you are referring to my grammar, which I find a rather silly thing to even mention in a discussion like this, I must remind you english is not my first language. I speak and understand a total of 8 languages. So my apologies for certain grammatical errors. I do not live in any english speaking country either for that matter.

I suspect you refer to Louis-Claude de Saint-Martin and his work? Personally I am not a Martinist but I have been invited to be initated, but I have not really studied much of his work or Martinism in general to make any worthy comment on that part.

For the schisms in freemasonry, I can only think it must be the simple nature of man whom always want his own way of doing things. Divisions happen anywhere a group of people are together. Different agendas.

IX-777, can you name a handful of books that give away the really good secrets? I would like some more sources of real information.

So far, I have only found three books that have given away secrets. Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled and Secret Doctrine. They helped me the most.

The third is Neumann's Origins And History Of Consciousness (I had to have other information before I could get the real stuff out of this book).

Morals & Dogma really didn't help. It was interesting no doubt. Maybe another reading would reveal new things. Same for The Secret Teachings Of All Ages.

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Fair play to you, you gave it a bash and you made me laugh!

It's a shame you completely let yourself down on my last two points. I'm surprised that a Grand Master has never heard of the 'schisms'.

Regarding the teleportation in the other thread. I had meant to get back to you but I forgot. From your answer to me there about your teleportation experience it was obvious that you have never done it. Even Hollywood now knows about one teleporting side effect. I'd have thought you'd have got that one at least.

I enjoy your stories, but that is all they are. You sir are a hoaxer, at least I hope you are, because if you believe what you post then you really are in trouble.

Look after yourself, stay safe and all the best to ya.

THX:

Wisdom of the Mystic masters - the rosicrucian system and its secrets revealed.

New Hermetics - title basically tell what it is about, relates to what most secret societies are involved with.

All books by Franz Bardon such as Initiation into Hermetics etc.

The Complete System of Golden Dawn by Israel Regardie

The Book of Magick Power

There are more, but thats some of the important ones I can think of now.

Sharps:

If you think Hollywood of all things know the side effects of teleportation you are quite gullible. No offense. Personally I have described the side effects I experienced earlier myself. It is completely of no importance to me if you believe what I say, feel free to keep watching hollywood movies for your informational purposes.

Regarding schisms I assumed you talked about the divition within the masonic organization. My apologies if I misunderstood, again english is not my mother tounge. Feel free to explain exactly what you meant, and I will answer in a hopefully better way.

I can not blaim you for believing I am a hoaxer, after all I do come with rather bold claims. But perhaps some people with such claims actually have experience with them. I do not "believe" what I am telling you - I am talking about facts and experiences I have been part of all my life, born into a family of secret societies and governmental involvment and all things that has lead to.

And dont worry - I do stay safe. Thats one of the good things of being part of these societies as you will learn how to protect yourself, and you will get some friends in high positions in various places as well, so thanks

What sort of path would you recommend for someone who is truly interested from learning from the ascended masters? Both in American and abroad.

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The Secret Teachings of All Ages - Manly P. Hall is a good one IMHO.

Incorrect. Crowley stated in the introduction of the Goetia that such "entities" are, in fact, "portions of the human brain", i.e., they have no literal existence outside of the imagination or psyche.

Concerning a "moon child", Crowley wrote in a letter to Germer that Jack Parson and L. Ron Hubbard were "idiotic louts" for trying such a thing.



Then it was not a "traditional OTO Lodge". OTO rituals do not involve group sex, or any other kind of sex. They are only symbolic of various sexual tantric practices, and I have in my possession all OTO rituals, both those composed by Reuss as well as the Crowley ones.



They were not "dark rituals": they were the rites taken from the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage. And yes, he did complete them later in the desert, with Neuberg, detailed in his book "The Vision and the Voice".

I suspect you never actually attended any OTO lodge but merely write what you have read.

Regarding the Abramelin operation, it is as dark as it can get as it involved direct contact with demons and evil entities. True, the goal may be "good", but yet you have to go through a huge amount of demonic entities first and many fail there. Just like Crowley did.

Choronzon: Theosophical and rosicrucian material is a good place to start for what you request. Join these societies and have some great inisights, experiences and fun.

Books are also available for non members, so you do not really need to be a member at all to know the "secrets". The theosophs in special have released a lot of great material.