Ask an initiate and member of secret societies

Hello all.

I feel there is so much disinformation regarding secret societies, orders, fraternities, mystery schools and so on that I feel like shredding some light on certain topics in those regards. As a member of several such orders and groups myself, I can speak from direct experience and inside knowledge.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have about such, as well as occultism, esoteric work, mysticism, magical practices, spirituality and so on as well. Other topics may also be touched upon, and I will answer truthfully and honestly as far as I know the answer to the questions asked.

Let there be light!

LVX et Veritas

-Maggador IX-777

It isn't secret if you are claiming to be a member.

I subscribe to the theory that Freemasons have nothing to do with the current "Secret Agenda" being discussed on ATS.

My question would be. What is sacrificed during an initiation ritual of Skulls & Bones, if anything at all?

The sacrifices are symbolical and the rituals theatrical - the intention and power behind it however is great, and the rituals are being very involved with, lived into, and carried out in an altered state of mind to raise the energy.

All rituals serve as a way to heighten ones energy and strengthen the power of ones mind to carry out various manifestations.

Some do real blood and slaughter rituals, but those are mostly primitive people, such as various tribes, whom do not properly understand the process behind a ritual.

This goes for some wannabe magicians and occultists as well, satanists, dark practicioners and so on.

There are however what can be called satanic rituals including violent and brutal actions against both members and non-members within certain orders, where the most common is to cause fear in the subject whom is to be sacrificed so that this energy can be harnessed.

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Hhhmmmmmmm......

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Have you found among mystery schools that you've studied that (for lack of a better description) it's all pretty much 'same stuff, different day'?

Also, do you think the esoteric traditions all trace back to a singular source like ancient Egypt or other place/time?

Thanks!

I'm going to second emsed's question.

I'd also like to hear what you think about the relationship between early Rosicrucian philosophy, which was expressed through allegory, and modern science. I'm of the idea the the Rosicrucian manifestos were nicely written renditions of older works and concepts from the Orient, put into a Christian-European context. The broader point being: much of what modern scientists have discovered and explained (i.e., the atom) has been described allegorically for ages, with cultural context as a major influence on the manner of description. Do you agree?

cheers

hey mister..when i was a kid i grew up next to a freemasons lodge on 69th street in philadelphia..it was a piece of # building attached to a used car lot..anyway alotta of my grandfathers friends from the bar down the street would go to the meetings..most of the retired police officers and things of the like..me and my friends used to smoke weed out back and they hardly ever had meetings but right place right time..we listened through the whole meeting and all they did was talk # on people and say racist #..wats the so called secret things that are supposed to go on at these meetings?

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Most Masonic orders are not filled with philosophical men with lofty aspirations, for the most part its middle class people with normal jobs and using the lodge as a form of social networking.

The symbolic meaning behind Masonic Initiations are lost on even most of its members, they are not all Initiates in the true sense of the word, but merely initiated into something which, for the most part, most of them have little interest in actually understanding.

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I would have to agree with this in general.

There are (few and far between) Masons who take the rituals to heart and spend a lifetime trying to decipher them.

But yeah most of the meetings are pretty mundane.

so what is the point of those mansons ?

Emsed1:

The different orders, secret societies and mystery school focuses on different things. But of course there are similarities, and some have originally sprung out of others. One example is Theosophy and Rosicrucianism, they share a lot of common things and teachings, and they are also pretty scientific in their work compared to many other occult orders, meaning they are focusing on experiments and verifications, practical exercises that people can judge from on their on and so on, also doing group work, publishing books on their knowledge etc.

Others focus on other things, such as OTO and thelemic orders, which really are more dark and sinister and worshipping deities of other dimensions, such as Aiwass whom taught Aleister Crowley Thelema etc.

Freemasons are less complex and do not focus as much on the spiritual and esoteric and occult as for example Theoshophical Society or Rosicrucians, or OTO for that matter. They do take part of rituals etc, and do have interesting teachings, but it is more of a ceremonial type of thing than an actual ritual serving a deeper spiritual and practical purpose.

Others, like Golden Dawn, are hermetic, and somewhat related to Rosicrucians and Theosophs, and also OTO and A.A.

You also have others like the Knights Templars which focuses on rather different things again though they too relate to freemasonry in many ways and share bonds. But by all means, many Freemasons are also Knights Templars and Rosicrucians and other things.

Certainly there are similarities dating way back for most of the secret societies, like you mention egyptian but also greek and latin etc. Thats where they started, though they have changed names through time, split up, merged and created new orders out of old members and so on, with new agendas and teachings, even though focusing some on the old material.

Personally I am a Grandmaster of a Order myself, which dates back to the 1400s in Switzerland, where it was originally founded by my family. It was founded by people whom split out from other Orders of that time who decided they wanted some changes and different system.


Articulus:

If I understand you correctly, I do agree. The Rosicrucians and Theosophs among others are well known for science, and indeed Francis Bacon himself was a Rosicrucian and also most likely Shakespear. He is the founder of "modern science". People of these and other such orders and societies have found things to be true often long before traditional science have. Later on, traditional science have confirmed the findings of these Orders.

crakk:

The secrets happens in the lodges away from public. But read my material above, freemasons are not as "secret" or "deep" as many other orders, in my opinion. Most freemasons are rather nice people though, I have many friends whom are freemasons and they are great nice people with an interest in humanity, politics, the spiritual and so on.

Seventhdoor:

Yes I agree, see my above explanations regarding freemasons.

-Maggador IX-777

Is there a general softening of the walls between those inside and outside secret societies today compared to earlier periods-- ie. more contact and open discussion with the general population, a more permeable membrane?

If so, what is now going on that mandates this, allows this or both?

What does this mean for their future?

Is their ultimate goal to actually become superfluous, that is, to help bring the world to a point where it is not hostile to certain wisdom that once needed protection? Is there another side of the coin that seeks to appropriate wisdom and knowledge for themselves in order to dominate?

They may sound like naiive questions and I have my own notions but I wish to hear your opinion in relation to secret societies in particular. Well, you started the thread so it's elementary.

Enlightenup:

Yes, there are more openess- main reason for this is simply because more people understand what is being taught in these secret orders now, before you would be burned on the stake for involvment in such occult arts and so on.

The goal of the orders I am member of is to help and assist all people , to bring new insights, understandings and ideas. Often this is done through popular themes such as science, art, music, media, movies, public lectures, websites and so on. OUR goal is to share our wisdom, to enlighten people with what we know, so those other people can experience and see what we have seen. It is happening in many ways, from "new age" material to other spiritually and occult related events, books, videos, etc. Also groups, meetings and so on that are not directly connected to any of our Orders.

There is also the other side of the coin, which consists of those whom do NOT want to share this knowledge with the rest of the world, but rather keep these secrets for themselves so they can maintain control, power and wisdom, be masters and have the rest as their slaves.

The secrets taught in these orders are generelly secret simply because of their power, how they can be abused, and thus only specific people are allowed to join and take part - but we do leak out this information to the general public in various ways, such as mentioned above. People need to know their true beings, and what is going on in this world, but there are those whom disinform and try to do the exact opposite.

-Maggador

Thank you.



Is that at least revealing confidence that the likelihood of a regression back to those attitudes and actions is quite low, that a critical threshold has been reached?

Are the most vociferous objections we hear about the esoteric and occult simply from remnants of a disappearing faction of outmoded thinkers? Are their flames actively fanned by the groups and factions that hoard?

LVX ET VERITAS? interesting.
Tell me grand master, is your order somewhat related to the ritual of the olympic ceremony?
Surely those 2012 olympics will be special, all seem to point to that direction.
I wonder which athlete will carry the torch.

Probably I am missing something because I am not a big Olympic fan...why did you reference that? I'd be more inclined to think he was a Yale graduate, or even someone who just rightly loves Latin.

Maggador, why the secret part? Isn't the goal for everyone to become enlightened?

Well I guess I'll let the olympic hymn do the talking for me, here is the first paragraph:


Olympian flame immortal
Whose beacon lights our way
Emblaze our hearts with the fires of hope
On this momentous day

Enlightenup:

Yes the occult has come to stay. Spirituality is growing. New age material is getting more and more popular. Esoteric matters are everywhere . Books, TV, Movies, Internet, Groups and Meetings.

We are now in the New Age, where lots of revelations will be coming for the general public, things that have been secret and hidden within smaller groups for centuries.

More and more secret societies and orders are becoming more open for the public, even publishing books with their secret teachings and so on. The old times are gone, the new times are here.

Regardless of the sinister side of this the good ones will triumph because they are many more and growing stronger by the day. The Good Mysticism will overthrow the "Evil" mysticism.

Townio:

My Order has nothing to do with the Olympics, this has to do with other fractions, mainly the ones that can be called "sinister", and 2012 is a year put in place by this group of people whom adjusted the modern gregorian calendar in accordance with the Mayan one in the 1500s so the "end date" would be on the symbolic date of 21/12/2012 on our calendar. Many things are coming towards this date, some changes will occur next month already, and greather things in 2010, culminating with the acceleration of time, space, dimensions and events in 2012 - the new age, it is not the end.

A Fortiori:

Regarding secrets, I have explained this in previous post. First of all it has to do with old traditions, you would be in big trouble for practising the occult in older days. So this tradition has continued up until now, but it is getting more and more loose and material is available everywhere for everyone these days. It is also much easier to join the secret societies now than before, and the whole secrecy has to do with certain things that should be performed carefully under guidance and proper practice to avoid harm or doing evil towards others.

I agree with most of your post except for the above. There is nothing particularly "dark" or "sinister" about Thelema, and the more orthodox Thelemites (including Crowley himself) would scoff at the idea of the literal existence of deities from any dimension. That sort of stuff is indeed propagated by Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O., but they are generally considered heretics by the Thelemic purists.

I am finding it comical that the OP is lump summing this.
Sooo..exactly how many of these so called "secret societies" do you claim involvement with and knowledge of?
Why is this earth shattering that pack animal humans would want to organize themselves, regardless of motivation?

Are you not the great global Loner???

I am questioning the purpose of this entire thread.

Namaste

ZM