Michael Moore is intellectually dishonest!!!!, page 1

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 08:38 PM

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Im watching the Larry King live interview and he's COMPLETELY wrong on two issues. Cost of college and the entire premise of capitalism. He's brainwashing people and what he says is an oxymoron.

He says capitalism has failed. He says if we had capitalism then companies would sink or swim. DUH YOU IDIOT that means we DON'T and haven't had capitalism for a LONG time. We have state corporatism or fascism not capitalism. If we had capitalism Fanny and Freddie would have gone bankrupt. AIG would have gone bankrupt.

Second thing he is wrong about is the cost of college. The biggest reason for the exponential rise of college tuition is GOVERNMENT ! Yep GOVERNMENT! If there wasn't all this free government money floating around and flooding colleges and universities costs would be much more reasonable and affordable. Where does the government get all this free money? Not just taxes but the Federal Reserve.

What is Michael's view on the FED? I bet he doesn't mention the corrupt FED ONCE in his stupid documentary.

In his defense he does say some very important things. 1% of the US population having more wealth than the entire 95% is true and disgusting. But he the biggest premise he fails miserably on. It's government and corporate collusion that is causing all the problems. Not capitalism. He's just wrong about the fundamentals so why care about everything else he says?

kettlebellysmith

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:21 PM

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Go back and watch his movies. Moore has been intellectually dishonest in all of them. Moore is obviously a socialist. My question is this; why doesn't he give the money he made on his movies to the poor?

Zosynspiracy

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:26 PM

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That's a silly cliche argument that doesn't hold water. We could ALL afford to give more money to the poor. What's your point?

kettlebellysmith

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:33 PM

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Kind of obvious to me. If you are a dedicated socialist, then you believe you should share your wealth with others. Or does go for us poor working stiffs who bust our butts for 40 plus hours a week, or those of us who hold down 2 or more jobs just to make ends meet?
That's my point~!

Miraj

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:39 PM

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That's my problem with his new movie.

From the commercials it looks like his heart is exactly where it needs to be, while his brain is some where in the far left wing.

Blaming the corporations for stealing money? GOOD.

Blaming capitalism for a socialist policy? Well that's just stupid.

He knows better. but this is how he makes money.

He's just a shock jock with kind words and a niche for lieing.

Do you have a clip of the interview?

jerico65

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:44 PM

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Michael Moore is an idiot.

He was ranting at some college around two years ago that the American Dream is dead. Right, Mikey. He's the perfect example of the American Dream come true. A blue collar dude that made it big and became rich.

Capitalism is dead? Geez, Mikey, where did you get all your money? Let me guess, you don't have a single investment in some horrible corporation?

Absum!

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:44 PM

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In his defense he does say some very important things. 1% of the US population having more wealth than the entire 95% is true and disgusting. But he the biggest premise he fails miserably on. It's government and corporate collusion that is causing all the problems. Not capitalism. He's just wrong about the fundamentals so why care about everything else he says?

Why listen, because he is one voice that has been illuminating light into the darkness even when it was unpopular.

We need people like him to take the risks that we can't or don't.

Asktheanimals

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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I got irritated watching Micheal Moore on some morning show
today as he repeatedly said "democracy" when talking
about America. 3 times he said it! You know the score there
so I won't bother telling you what you already know.
He does lie and often - bowling for columbine is one throughly
disingenous anti-gun rant from frame one. He's a clever,
overwieght fillmaker who adds humor to his social commentary.
I agree he does seem to be a socialist, as I recall he worked
hard for the Obama camp in the elections. Why didnt he get
the job of being "film czar" i wonder as much as he sucked up.
Deserves a dirty knees award at least

GradyPhilpott

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Moore is a quintessential capitalist using classical Marxist ideology to separate the gullible from their money.

He attacks corporate America and he is corporate America.

I hate it when the term hypocrite is overused, so let us just quote Kris Kristofferson and call him a "walking contradiction"-- a rich contradiction.

The terms "flim-flam man" and "snake-oil salesman" come to mind also.

Moore is the irony of ironies.

[edit on 2009/9/23 by GradyPhilpott]

Ahabstar

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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At the sake of a one liner, I don't think we need to use the qualifier of intellectually when speaking of Michael Moore's capacity for being dishonest.

Using Bush's "quotes" from the press corps dinners in which presidents are allowed and encouraged to joke was quite the abandonment of context. Yet many on here and other sites ate it up as gospel.

Tmd111

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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I listened to him on Howard Stern today. I have to say, everything he said made a lot of sense. How about we watch the entire movie before making a judgement?

He explained that he is not against Capitalism and feels hard work should be rewarded. He is against people gambling with other peoples money to make money off their money! Made sense to me....

I think he gets a bad wrap, I do. He says his opinions are his but his facts are the truth. He offered 10,000 to prove a fact wrong in any of his movies to somebody (Forget who).

I think he challenges people to think and not just blindly accept what we are fed. Whether you believe all his views is irrelevant.

Longtimegone

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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Who cares whether or not you agree with his stance on an issue in his movie. The important thing is that these issues are being discussed and being presented to the average American whose topic of conversation is usually about some brainless t.v. show. However, the average American usually takes everything at face value. They should know better and question everything.

Longtimegone

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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I just saw an interview between Moore and Steven Colbert. Moore says he was against the bailouts calling it socialism but then goes on to support universal health care. Am I missing something??????????? Someone help me with this one.

theWCH

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Second thing he is wrong about is the cost of college. The biggest reason for the exponential rise of college tuition is GOVERNMENT ! Yep GOVERNMENT! If there wasn't all this free government money floating around and flooding colleges and universities costs would be much more reasonable and affordable. Where does the government get all this free money? Not just taxes but the Federal Reserve.

The problem isn't "free money," per se. The problem is that an increase in college graduates has decreased the ROI of gaining a college degree (this is simple supply and demand, and the resultant equilibrium point). For some majors, the ROI is now less than one. This means that if you chose to major in something like Sociology, you would probably have actually been better off, financially speaking, if you hadn't gone to college at all.

Now, "free money" for college isn't the worst thing in the world. We get "free money" for High School, also. The problem is that grade-inflation has made it very easy to get a degree, and teaching methods haven't improved in proportion to grade inflation.

This whole issue would be moot if Profs, Instructors, and Teachers started using modern technology/data to optimize their teaching methods. But they don't. They don't, because the Unions feel threatened by technology.

kettlebellysmith

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Let's finish the Kris Kristofferson quote for those who might not be in the loop with his early work.
"He's a walkin contradiction, partly truth and mostly fiction."

wycky

posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
Kind of obvious to me. If you are a dedicated socialist, then you believe you should share your wealth with others. Or does go for us poor working stiffs who bust our butts for 40 plus hours a week, or those of us who hold down 2 or more jobs just to make ends meet?
That's my point~!

I did hear somewhere that he does give to charities, i did a quick google search and found these 2 sites.

If so, the laughter may be muted. Despite their personal investment, the Weinstein brothers will not be the biggest financial beneficiaries of "Fahrenheit." The real winner: a charity, or charities, as yet unnamed, that will receive about 60 percent of the net profit ultimately generated by the film -- a tally that could be tens of millions of dollars. The Weinsteins, meanwhile, will pocket about 40 percent of the net, according to people familiar with the deal.

www.commondreams.org...

Michael Moore has supported the following charities:
* Raising Malawi

www.looktothestars.org...

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HunkaHunka

posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Im watching the Larry King live interview and he's COMPLETELY wrong on two issues. Cost of college and the entire premise of capitalism. He's brainwashing people and what he says is an oxymoron.

He says capitalism has failed. He says if we had capitalism then companies would sink or swim. DUH YOU IDIOT that means we DON'T and haven't had capitalism for a LONG time. We have state corporatism or fascism not capitalism. If we had capitalism Fanny and Freddie would have gone bankrupt. AIG would have gone bankrupt.

We've had corporatism since Corporations have assumed Personhood. Even Ron Paul and Stephen Colbert agree on that . That's not an invention of recent time.

Second thing he is wrong about is the cost of college. The biggest reason for the exponential rise of college tuition is GOVERNMENT ! Yep GOVERNMENT! If there wasn't all this free government money floating around and flooding colleges and universities costs would be much more reasonable and affordable.

Excuse me? So because Educational institutes get money from the government, that's why they charge so much for tuition?

Ok whatever... Harvard sets its price at what the market will bear. University's have some of the biggest coffers of cash around anywhere!

In his defense he does say some very important things. 1% of the US population having more wealth than the entire 95% is true and disgusting. But he the biggest premise he fails miserably on. It's government and corporate collusion that is causing all the problems. Not capitalism. He's just wrong about the fundamentals so why care about everything else he says?

We haven't even had capitalism in a true sense because of the Personhood issue of corporations. They have become the collectives that Erich Kahler warned us about in 1957.

DINSTAAR

posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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He just makes straw man arguments and logical fallacies wrapped in a flawed moral blanket. That blanket is what makes him believable because he can successfully invoke an emotional response.

Also, he is a great filmmaker. With his use of juxtaposition and montage, he reminds me of a modern day Sergei Eisenstein.

I watch his films(torrent), I admit. Eisenstein's 'The Battleship Potemkin' is considered one of the best films of all time, and it was a Soviet propaganda film... but then again, I am an avid film watcher and lover of the mise en scène.

Michael Moore is flat out disingenuous, and outside of his propaganda films as being meaningless art, he doesn't deserve our attention at all.

The Transhumanist

posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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He may be a hypocrite, (with multiple homes and a networth of millions) and he may have been dishonest but the one fact that holds true, or at least mostly true (www.politifact.com...) is that "the richest 1 percent have more financial wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined." This says it all about Capitalism and if this fact alone isn't reason for a radical change I don't know what is. No one, no matter how hard you work deserves that much wealth, as long as others are starving in dollar a day poverty.