Census worker hanged with 'Fed" on his body

I am thinking about the thread last week that said "Wait, save the fed!".

That is because i think the fed may have actually done this or you know had it done by someone else. However, my reasoning is this: if the above thread is correct, the fed wants itself to be shut down. So by staging an act of violence against a gov't worker it says "Hey maybe we should shut the fed down to keep the peace"

I dont know maybe my point of view is wrong but we'll see.

reply to post by Esoterica


I could not agree more. This was a sign. And We are all seperating ourselves down damn lines. Regardless of our political leanings most of us believe something is very wrong in today's world. It is okay to be on one side or the other of said topic but don't make a line in the sand over politics guys and gals.

I'm going to cast a vote for this being a diversion. Pulls ACORN out of the news. Furthers the agenda of framing anyone who is against the current government agenda as ignorant hillbillies who are out for blood, ie, the new domestic terrorist.

I saw someone say that such a view is just ATS paranoia; what world does that person live in? History has been DEFINED by conspiracy. It is the most common aspect of all societies and civilizations. And killing one man for a spin? Wouldn't make most people at the top even blink. Are there really people naive enough to believe that ANY government is benevolent? There can be benevolent factions, leaders, etc, but...the more power a government gains, the more power each individual within it gains, and the great lengths they will go to, to gain more power, and to hold the power they have. History 101. And something like this? We'd be looking at a covert agency, CIA or something similar...and anyone who is familiar with the track record of the CIA should know that they certainly wouldn't blink at a killing like this.

For the possibility of it being some lone nut...really? To make a display of it like that? I know a lot of places in the South still have some hanging trees and the like, but the difference there is that any activity related to such is a group effort. I highly doubt you would see something like this from a lone person with no previous involvement in extremely brutal activities. Even serial killers tend to work themselves up to this sort of display.

To make a link with a similar story, of late...there was a killing of a preacher somewhere in the South, I forget where. Killer was careful to avoid all CCTV cams in the neighborhood, burned the area around the body with acid to destroy evidence, and placed the body in a symbolically suggestive position...but last i heard, it was being considered a crime of passion, not premeditated. RIGHT. I could see these two murders perhaps being loosely connected through some form of ideological organization, but far more likely to both be attempts to paint certain sectors of the public in an unfavorable light. (If I recall correctly, said preacher was not viewed well by the fundamentalist right, and we all know how hard the far left has been trying to pin all opposition to their views on far-right fundamentalists, rather than the moderate right and independents (with a surprising number from the left, as well,) who actually make up the opposition.

I think what disturbs me the most, reading this thread, even more than the killing, (which, while horrible, is one of many killings that happen every day, and part of a systemic problem in our country,) is how many people here are so ready to accept this incident without examining it from all angles and keeping an open mind to various possibilities. If people here, where there are far more people who are skeptical of the media than the general public, are so eager to lap this up unquestioned, I shudder to think what the general public is doing with this. No matter if you are "paranoid" or not, this is obviously a politically-related event, and nothing that touches on politics should EVER be taken at face value.

Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by Beefcake

 

Obviously you aren't familiar with the more wild and woolly aspects of Eastern Kentucky. Those of us here in Kentucky generally don't like the stereotyping of our state, but it is true that it is dangerous in certain areas, especially for enforcement types.

By claiming this is a psy-ops, false flag, sinister ACORN plot, etc, etc, the appearance is given of a true paranoid grasping for straws. Believe it or not, sometimes things happen that aren't controlled by hidden cabals hell bent on ruling us.

Why in the world would you even mention Acorn in this thread lol. Is this your attempt to make this a partisan thing?

Listen, Obama is a puppet, Bush was a puppet i have no dog in the fight as far as political parties they are both corrupt to the core. I and most real patriots would never do something like this because violence plays into the hands of the establishment.

Now that is out of the way sure this may be some whack job but it could just as easily be a black op murder to paint patriots as crazy murderers. I'm not saying it is but we have no idea. You can't just say this is legit by saying its "Eastern Kentucky."

This is an area that is naturally distrustful of the government, and I'm sure the current political climate hasn't helped things out lately.

So they murder a census worker? What you wrote reads like a media talking point.
Intelligence agencies stage events that is what they do that is all they do it is second nature. To me this looks staged.

We can go back and both about what really happened we will never know.
Now we have to see how this is spun in the media.

OK, so we have two possible scenarios.

1. The guy discovered something he didn't like. What was his position? Would he have access to sensitive information as a senior person perhaps?

2. The guy knocked on the wrong door, and the person/s reacted to defend against what they see as an attack on them by the federal government.

Personally, I'm going with option two.

I can't see how any employee would find out something so concerning as to make them want to end their life and send this kind of message. And, it's not enough. If you were trying to send such an important message through such a final act you'd make sure it was a lot more detailed than just the word "Fed" on your body.

No doubt they're holding back some info for now, but it just doesn't seem likely it was suicide.

I'm going with the theory that he was murdered, and probably by a paranoid individual who believes a lot of the crap on forums like this about the NWO, FEMA camps and coloured dots on mailboxes.

This is what happens when the feds just push and push. The only legal ``census question`` allowed by the constitution is ``How many people live in your house?`` and that's it.

Of course there's gonna be innocent victims in the middle. My thoughts go with that man's family... the guys who did this are idiots.

If they think that was ``an act against the fed``...they are badly mistaken. From a military viewpoint, the only way to attack something as big as the feds is to attack the elements that can't be replaced or are hard to replace...not the guy at the bottom of the ladder... This is not the soviet massive arrests yet...

From The Gulag Archipelago:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

And I've been looking into ``liberals`` websites...fark.com for the most part...and they are blaming tea parties goers.

And suicide? Really? Is this a joke?

[edit on 24-9-2009 by Vitchilo]

For my two cents I see this as a sign of the times.... as a declaration of war.
Things are getting worse in this nation and we are coming ever closer to civil war but THIS... This was someones outright personal declaration of war.

The FBI does need to be careful investigating this.... The person who did it already got away with it once.... My guess would be that he has no neighbors and lots of time to figure out what to do...

Originally posted by Sestias

I've seen members here on ATS tell people not to cooperate with the census takers, because they are part of an evil government plot.

What exactly are you implying?

This is the epitome of why the United States is going under at warp speed.

NOTE: There is nothing wrong with questioning your government. There is nothing wrong with protesting. These are the actions that make America what it is SUPPOSED to stand for.

If you are NOT capable of murder, then no amount of "not cooperating with census workers" will suddenly turn you into one.

Anybody that runs around killing people was simply looking for a reason. You don't become a murderer by questioning your government and protecting your constitutional rights.

I think it's a part of the anti-government hysteria, that has been around for a long time, but has reached a fever pitch in some areas since the election of Obama.

1. Did you ever think that maybe there is a reason its reached a fever pitch?

2. Anti-government hysteria? *sigh* Yet another person throwing around ill-fitting labels that cause more harm than good.

I hope they find his killers.

Agreed.

Has anybody on this conspiracy site even considered the possibility that the death of this federal employee may have been a set up from the get go?

I mean, TPTB want an open revolution. Hell, they NEED it at this point. The justification provided when they find their predetermined patsy may just spark it off in rural KY.

Like many have said... There is more than meets the initial glance at the "facts" here.

Consider the source(s) of this info and the potential bias.

Tell the public what you want them to know, steer them in the direction you want.

Originally posted by badgerprints
Probably more going on here than meets the eye.

Don't jump to any conclusions before the facts are uncovered.

Sad situation.

[edit on 053030p://f36Wednesday by badgerprints]

Agreed. it's probably just another plant.
They probably found the guy dead from reasons other than homicide and dolled it up to look like the evil citizens of the united states did it. he could have slipped in dogcrap and broke his own neck. Who knows, and that being the case, who cares?

reply to post by saturnine_sweet

I'm going to cast a vote for this being a diversion. Pulls ACORN out of the news. Furthers the agenda of framing anyone who is against the current government agenda as ignorant hillbillies who are out for blood, ie, the new domestic terrorist.

I agree that is an option but what many here on ATS do not realize is the fear, helplessness, rage... that you have felt for the last few months is what farmers, especially livestock farmers have been feeling for well over four years only to see "our hope - Obama" sell us out with proposed laws that are much worse than our wildest dreams! The US government is backing already desperate farmers into a corner with no way out. A corner that has and is causing farmers suicides all over the world, and Clinton's WTO is at the bottom of it.

We have been screaming and kicking and still we are being drug over the cliff. NAIS was enough to get the fiercely independent farmers organized. We were horrified at what Premises Identification did to our property rights, resented being called a stakeholder or one who holds someone else's property. But the final straw the one that got the normally apathetic types furious is Obama and the Democrats push for thousand page food safety bills that regulates home gardens and farms out of business with tons of paperwork, warrantless searches and million dollar a day fines/imprisonment without judicial review. To add insult to injury Mike Taylor, Monsanto's Lawyer was picked by Obama to be our judge and jury!

History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job

They seem not to have noticed those penalties apply to everyone in the country who "holds" food.... They seem not to have noticed the bills are Kissinger Plan of "control food, control people."

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I forgot to add the average age of US farmers is 53, they are Vietnam vets, grand parents with nothing left to loose once their farms are gone These are the people you are pushing into a corner.

[edit on 24-9-2009 by crimvelvet]

I have only scanned the pages, so forgive me if this has been said. I did see at least one post that mentioned it, but:

This is Kentucky! They have been hanging and target practicing on census workers for 200 years! This isn't new!

Moonshine, "Cash Crops", and just plain ol' private property issues are very common.

It is even a subject commonly seen in movies, it is almost cliche!

See "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" or "Secondhand Lions" just to name a couple of recent ones that had folks shooting at Census Workers, or men from the Bank!!

Kentucky, and the Deep South, and the Good Ol' boys still around!

Sorry for Census Worker, I work for the state, and I would hate to be targeted for it, but at the same time, I am pretty sure I could walk go out into the woods here and buy some moonshine without getting shot, so this guy was probably an azz anyway!

Maybe the census worker was asking the typical questions of the person in their home. He could have asked a question that the citizen deemed "too personal", at which point the census-taker intimated that the citizen could be arrested for not answering all of his questions. It could be that that is all that it took for an edgy, unbalanced person to escort the 'fed' to the graveyard. A possible scenario?

reply to post by projectvxn


I think you nail the issue to the spot, if this due to people fed up with the status quo and angry at the government, the fed and anybody in that line of work, indeed things could get very nasty for anybody linked to government work just for the reason of some thinking that anybody supporting the government is as guilty.

This could be the mentality of people that are at the edge right now.

My husband works for the government so he could be target also.

Scary things happening now a days.

More reason for government to push the home grown terrorism bill.

Originally posted by titorite
For my two cents I see this as a sign of the times.... as a declaration of war.
Things are getting worse in this nation and we are coming ever closer to civil war but THIS... This was someones outright personal declaration of war.

The FBI does need to be careful investigating this.... The person who did it already got away with it once.... My guess would be that he has no neighbors and lots of time to figure out what to do...

It feels like the revolt against the government has begun, doesn't it.

I fear it will get much worse.

reply to post by kingswillquiver


Yes, first is been benign, protest that can be easily tamper off by government and police, congers E-mails, calls that has gotten ignored.

Remember Pelosi and her last propaganda of looking sad at predicting the congress blood bath?

Well the problem is that when things starts to get out of hand and our corporate run government gets scare the only way the know to get back to the people is with more laws to oppress the population.

So as more acts of anger and desperation goes on in behave of the population more laws will be passed.

It's sad the this gentleman was killed (apparently) just for doing his job.

HOWEVER, if his "job" included harassment, such as was featured in this thread, then it doesn't surprise me that he wound up like he did.

You just don't mess around with those Eastern Kentucky folk. There are some parts (deep, rural areas) that are akin to third world countries. And make no mistake before starting up with cultural misconceptions ... there are places like this everywhere across the country. I've seen them from Alabama to Nevada to Montana.

What I don't get is how they affiliated a census work with the Fed? A federal worker? Or the Federal Reserve? Not sure. But if it's in reference to a federal employee, then certainly whomever is responsible has a complete misconception of who is the real enemy. Certainly it's not those that are trying to earn an honest living.

As a Kentuckian, let me assure you all that this is not the norm! However, I agree with many of the previous responses. There are places in the hills and hollers that you just do not go unless invited. There are folks in the hills that will shoot first and ask questions later. Not because they were engaged in illegal activity, but because you were trespassing on their land. And i'm sure there are those who see the census as federal intrusion and wouldn't hesitate to "send a message" back to the federal government. Many appalachian residents consider themselves part of a separate state/county altogether. If you drive around counties like Clay, Lee, and Estill, it looks like a completely different world. In many ways it does resemble "Deliverance". But from my experience, typically, the people living there are good-hearted. They may live simple lives and not be traditionally educated, but they are clever and intelligent in their own way. Not trusting outsiders is common, though...

reply to post by shamsway


I had a Music teacher in college that did is Doctoral Dissertation in the Appalachian mountains. He "discovered" communities deep in the woods that were still living in colonial times! They had a few modern amenities, and they brought supplies from the towns now and then, but their mannerisms, languages, music, hymns, and religions had not progressed the way the rest of the country had!! He found things there that experts thought had died out over 200 years ago!

The Appalachians are an odd and wondrous place!

Some hicks from the middle of nowhere kill a government worker and people on this site start screaming that this is the start of the "revolution" etc. Get a grip.

A man has been murdered. I feel for his family and I hope his killer(s) are caught and brought to justice.