Obama Birth Certificates are REAL - SHUT UP ALREADY!

That is the title of the video. It looks very legit...so now what will the birthers have to scream about now? I am interested in what other ATS'ers think.

I could get a time machine, and take all the birthers back in time to witness his birth in Hawaii. I would bring them back and ask them their opinions, and they would tell me that I have no proof that was the Obama that is president.

I'm a not a "Birther" although I have no problem with the freedom of those who wish to get to the bottom of this issue. This BC has already been proven a HOAX! It isn't a BC like you and I have to show when applying for State or Government issued permits, passposrts and licenses.

It is a Document of life birth that Hawaii admittedly gave to hundreds of illegal immigrants back in the day so that they could attend things like schools and so on.

The simply matter is: Obama has sealed all access to not only his BC but many other documents by spending over $900,000 dollars through the courts system to keep this info away from the public eye. My question as a None-birther is WHY?

Oh, and sorry but "He doesn't have to show it" isn't good enough!

Originally posted by Rams59lb
I'm a not a "Birther" although I have no problem with the freedom of those who wish to get to the bottom of this issue. This BC has already been proven a HOAX! It isn't a BC like you and I have to show when applying for State or Government issued permits, passposrts and licenses.

It is a Document of life birth that Hawaii admittedly gave to hundreds of illegal immigrants back in the day so that they could attend things like schools and so on.

The simply matter is: Obama has sealed all access to not only his BC but many other documents by spending over $900,000 dollars through the courts system to keep this info away from the public eye. My question as a None-birther is WHY?

Oh, and sorry but "He doesn't have to show it" isn't good enough!

This entire thread just got "owned." What do you have to say to that Kerazeesicko? The fact is that the entire video you just posted is talking about a 'certificate of live birth' and not the actual legal BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Seems to me you didn't do your research prior to embarrassing yourself.
Obama's birth in the U.S. has yet to be proven.

Since you didn't bother doing the research, let me help you out with it:

www.peoplespassions.org...

reply to post by rufusdrak


..I showed a video that shows the certificate is authentic. I can not believe there are people in this world gullible enough to believe that Obama was not born in America...I mean C'mon... It has been said plenty of times and will be said again. The proper authorities have seen and verified he is an american citizen, also if there was anything to this....don't you think the Republicans would be all over this....I mean the entire group not just a few sore losers. So tell me what gives any of you the authority to view and legitimize any type of document concerning his BC. Just because you read stuff on the internet does not make you an expert in anything. He is under no obligation to show you people anything......just because you don't believe and will have to live with the loss. He has done enough....I believe....and should do no more to please the kerazees, because nothing he does will satisfy your desire to see him gone. The radicals have been blowing smoke about this, but nothing will ever come to pass. Oh yeah hey...thaks for owning my thread.... As for your link....it is from a birther, so holds no water....just more nonsense to fill your peoples head with.

Even though I didn't say anything, I won't "shut up" until I see a actual BC, not the piece of junk referred to here.

Just because you read stuff on the internet does not make you an expert in anything.

Neither does it make you a expert on anything, so why don't YOU shut up?

Irregardless, he's still a liar, a thief and a crook like 99% of all our other politicians - Ron Paul being the only exception I know of -and will do nothing to help us. He's bought and sold by the bankers and corporate elite that really run the world. Heck, they were the ones that got him elected from out of nowhere. The man had done absolutely squat and all of a sudden is the President of the biggest superpower in the world?

Sure, whatever, keep on calling people names and yelling like a lunatic. It really doesn't help your cause at all.

If you dont think presenting actual documents matters, give the officer that pulls you over a print-out of your "certification of license to drive" instead of your drivers license, or buy dinner with a "certification of credit card" rather than the actual card.

I see the words "certification of live birth", not "birth certificate"

"certification of live birth" is in bold letters printed on the thing, not tough to figure out. A "certification" is not the same as a "certificate".

Definitions of certification on the Web: Google
(certification) documentation: confirmation that some fact or statement is true through the use of documentary evidence.

Obama supplied a piece of printed paper that is a confirmation that some fact or statement is true through the use of documentary evidence...

Many people simply want to confirm the evidence on which the certification is based, is it an accurate reflection of the actual certificate. Not hard to understand.

Lets say you're an employer facing harsh fines for hiring 'illegals'... a job seeking dude gives you an official looking "certification of citizenship" printout that is interpreted as evidence he has actual citizenship documents. But the only way you'll know he's legit, is to examine for yourself his actual citizenship papers. But all he'll give you is a print out that says his papers exist, he expects you to accept it on good faith he's not a lying sack of crap.

Obama is a politician, and worse than that dick cheneys cousin, he is a proven skillful liar and useful puppet for the elite.. Personally, I accept nothing on good faith from the DC mafia political establishment or their MSM lackeys, a piece of paper confirming his birth certificate exists has the value of used toilet paper.

The dnc party worshipers, MSM, and assclown elite are so adamant that there is nothing to the so called "birthers" argument, "they're" resorting to coordinated propaganda.. which only strengthens my suspicions the official story is not accurate. If you're getting flack, you must be near the target.

reply to post by kerazeesicko


It is real. Its a short form but it is sufficient evidence from the state of Hawaii for birth. Short form birth certificates are the ones used mostly throughout the US so its ironic how people continue to claim "they use their birth certificates" which its very likely to be a similar short form, not the multi-paged long vaulted form that tells you what weight you were when your were born.

But yes, arguing the authenticity of Obamas short form will change the mindset for most here. The mere fact these members took the unauthenticated Kenyan short form with historic inaccuracies as real or "not proven to be fake" and proclaiming the state authenticate Hawaiian short for from the Obama campaign as "fake" because two members with no credentials said so on a rightwing propaganda website...... it really shows what mentality your dealing with here.

People choose to believe Obama was not born on US soil or is somehow ineligible. They dont do so based on reasonable circumstances concerning the president and his birthright.

SG

[edit on 23-9-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Rams59lb
I'm a not a "Birther"

Then why act like one? Your basis for Obamas ineligibility is based on the words from members with no credentials. Birthers jump on evidence that have no credibility. Your not necessarily a "birther" if you have the evidence to back your beliefs up.

This BC has already been proven a HOAX!

The BC has not been proven a hoax. The BC was proclaimed to be "fake" by two members behind computer screen names with no credentials to put where their mouths were, on an anti-liberal website.

Now Dr Neal Krawetz, somebody with a real name with real credentials to show for himself has already done the analysis of "techdude", the disguised birther, and has found that these guys know nothing about birth certificates and authentication:

www.hackerfactor.com.../archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

His credentials:
hackerfactor.com...

If you really believe the analysis of those two birther members online, you'd address the counter-analysis from Dr Krawetz.

Now your suspicions about howmuch his lawyers spend only fuels your own personal conclusions, it doesnt bring any more fact as to whether his ineligible or not.

SG

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

..I showed a video that shows the certificate is authentic. I can not believe there are people in this world gullible enough to believe that Obama was not born in America...I mean C'mon..

. It has been said plenty of times and will be said again. The proper authorities have seen and verified he is an american citizen, also if there was anything to this....don't you think the Republicans would be all over this....I mean the entire group not just a few sore losers. So tell me what gives any of you the authority to view and legitimize any type of document concerning his BC. Just because you read stuff on the internet does not make you an expert in anything. He is under no obligation to show you people anything......just because you don't believe and will have to live with the loss. He has done enough....I believe....and should do no more to please the kerazees, because nothing he does will satisfy your desire to see him gone. The radicals have been blowing smoke about this, but nothing will ever come to pass. Oh yeah hey...thaks for owning my thread...

. As for your link....it is from a birther, so holds no water....just more nonsense to fill your peoples head with.

"Just because I read stuff on the internet" according to you I lose credibility and legitimacy. Yet where did you get that fraudulent video that you posted? You just owned yourself there buddy. The video just like this thread has no credibility.

I can't watch the video because I have been having a heck of a time with YouTube. WIll watch it when it's in a better mood...

Originally posted by Rams59lb
I'm a not a "Birther"

I'm curious what you think a "birther" is...

This BC has already been proven a HOAX!
It isn't a BC like you and I have to show when applying for State or Government issued permits, passposrts and licenses.

It is a Document of life birth that Hawaii admittedly gave to hundreds of illegal immigrants back in the day so that they could attend things like schools and so on.

The previous 3 statements are false. I understand you have Faith in these statements, so no amount of facts or proof to the contrary are going to change your mind. But some of us have been researching this for literally years and know that the above 3 statements are FALSE. All of them. FALSE.

My question as a None-birther is WHY?

Because they are private and you have no right to them.

Oh, and sorry but "He doesn't have to show it" isn't good enough!

Maybe not good enough for you, but good enough for the law. And that's what matters.

Originally posted by rufusdrak
Seems to me you didn't do your research prior to embarrassing yourself.

I simply don't understand this controversy. What I *really* don't understand is why people who support Obama call names, attack and demonize those of us who simply want proof.

I don't like Obama. I really don't like his politics. But I wouldn't want any person, whether I like him/her or agree with him/her, to be POTUS if citizenship can't be proven.

And contrary to what the OP says, if I were shown a legitimate, signed, official, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, I would shut up and let this issue go away. Besides, Obama is going to author his own undoing soon enough.

Oh, one last nail in the coffin of Obama's official story:

www.wnd.com...

So, if he misrepresented who wrote his award-winning book, misrepresents his relationships, misrepresents his policies...is it really such a stretch that he would misrepresent the place of his birth?

Originally posted by itscoming
I simply don't understand this controversy. What I *really* don't understand is why people who support Obama call names,

You dont understand why Obama supporters and liberals call names yet, by the sounds of it there seems to be some understanding of why "conservatives" do it?

Both sides have names for one another.

who simply want proof.

If you simply wanted proof you would have been satisfied with the tonne of proof and research afforded among the mass of discussions. This isnt simply about wanting proof.

I don't like Obama. I really don't like his politics.

Of course you don't. Of course the others dont. Proof of his eligibility wont change that.

But I wouldn't want any person, whether I like him/her or agree with him/her, to be POTUS if citizenship can't be proven.

Well then I assure you under state law in Hawaii and vai the federal government and the constitution he has sufficiently proven his citizenship. The issue here are those on the right who feel this president has to, for some reason out of the 40, pull his backside to prove more regarding his eligibility. There could be many reasons attributing to why. Most of those deceptive reasons have been concluded.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE

right here, incase you forgot where it was. Dont panic, you can see it below.

www.politifact.com...

Short form birth certificate are sufficient under Hawaii law and has been authenticated by Hawaiian health officials.

I would shut up and let this issue go away.

If Obama left office you would do so, but thats not going to happen, so you keep the non-issue issue up. Or you can use another fake Kenyan birth certificate to prove why Obamas Hawaiian one is fake.

SG

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

..I showed a video that shows the certificate is authentic.

If you can show me a birth "certificate" in that video, I'll send you a high dollar smoking hot escort with a "certification" she is disease free..

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Because they are private and you have no right to them.

Doesn't posting the COLB on the internet waive his right to privacy in regards to his birth certificate?

Originally posted by itscoming


www.wnd.com...

So, if he misrepresented who wrote his award-winning book, misrepresents his relationships, misrepresents his policies...is it really such a stretch that he would misrepresent the place of his birth?

WND.com has connectons to storm front( a Neo Nazi organization for those of you that don't know)...so I will never take them seriously. South African separatist Ilana Mercer( a writer for WND) also has articles published in another rasict site VDare. Also WND is a right wing radical site..so they are biased.

This issue is so bogus. Why not pay the $15 an get a copy of the BC? I guess there is a reason to spend a fortune on legal fees to keep it from inquiring minds.

I am an American citizen and I have the right to know that the man sitting in the Oval Office has a legitimate claim to that office. As far as I am concerned this claim has not been satisfied. Part of the deal in getting the job of POTUS is proving you meet the qualifications.

Maybe Obama is so touchy about the term "illegal alien" because he is one.

Something stinks. Why hide the truth?

"Transparency" my arse!

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
That is the title of the video. It looks very legit...so now what will the birthers have to scream about now? I am interested in what other ATS'ers think.

You THINK it LOOKS ok!? hell yeah that will do it and there is no reason for Obama to show the real stuff? Why do you think he hasent shown the real one yet IF he infact had one? that would put this whole story to an end long time ago. BUT you THINK it´s looks ok and cased closed then? this was the most stupid comment I have read in a long long time, but atleast you made me laugh