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Originally posted by nomorecruelty
The Bible is very accurate in that satan is the king of this "world".
Originally posted by Maddogkull
So god put humans on satans world.... how logical. Mabey the metaphor in the bible is actually stating satan is king of the earth, meaning all the war and poverty and hatefulness. Also what god would put a kid in africa,(Somalia for example) with no way of communicating with the outside world(that has no idea who/what jesus is)??? What about a person with no violent past, but the only thing is they dont believe in jesus(becasue there are so many religions)?? They donate to charity, help in humantarian programs. Even walks old Mrs, Williams across the sidewalk. Would they go to hell?? And if i live my life the best i can but dont believe in jesus, I would want to talk face to face with "god" and ask him what the **** is up with his cruel, sadistic take on reality.
Why wouldn't you believe in a religion that promotes peace?? Instead of fear?? Yeah sure the bible says Heaven is great this and that, but what about all the if you dont do this you go to hell for enternity. Even though the creator would know the mindframe a human has becasue we are "supposivley" made in his image. So why would a creator make us for the sole purpose to go to hell?? If he is omnipotent and so powerful why would he make all of us?? Are we some cruel sick experiment??? I perfer the buddhist religion or just a universal consciousness point of view. Much more easier on the mind
[edit on 26-9-2009 by Maddogkull]
Originally posted by badgerprints
Hats off to the OP. Lots of interesting and well written stuff here.
You obviously have a deep belief in what you say.
Just one question.
What if you are wrong?
Originally posted by Maddogkull
Star wars isen't fiction, didn't you read the begining of the movie. It takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
Originally posted by slymattb
There is heaven and Hell and when you fight out that all of revelations is coming to pass in front of you, will you believe or will you ignore the facts in front of you. God is watching. Life after death is a big gamble.
Originally posted by Asmus
This is a great thread Gal!!! A lot of these things needed to be expanded upon, and I am glad you brought this into the open.
There is a lot of programmed and conditioned responses coming out from many people in this thread, which I think is a positive thing in the end, and perhaps can give people a chance to create a space between their programming and who they really are. But at the same time it is also a little distressing to see people who genuinely believe they are that conditioning, and thats all they know who to associate with. A chance for growth and expansion in the end though.
At some point people have to realize how they are projecting their responsiblity externally onto something else, which dis-empowers you. All it does at best is slow down your personal evolution. We're all heading towards the same place just at different speeds. At least we have that choice, but many do not even realize they have the choice.. that is another issue however.
Why is it that many people who dress themselves in the clothes of christ are some of the most judgemental people you will meet? It's evidenced well in this thread. That is the control. Break the cycle, be free. You are dictating how people should live and what to believe. Again, that is control, that is dis-empowerment. Like I mentioned before, it serves as wonderful learning and teaching tool, it is not a thing of right or wrong.
There isn't much else I could add to this thread that what already has been. You've done a masterful job and exploring these things and sharing it with us. All I can say is that we have to remove ourselves from the equation the Regressive NWO Group is counting on us to remain in. We have to change the rules, change how it works, or they will do it for us.
Be In Peace.
Originally posted by Majiq
Well I can't say that I believe everything that the OP has to say, but I do agree that there is no heaven or hell, and that their concepts were created to control the minds of people.
As far as posts earlier stating things about fulfilled prophecies, I would like to see these. I have seen many many supposed prophecies that were fulfilled by Jesus but all of them are very vague and many require quite a stretch of imagination in order to see there fulfillment.
As far as Jesus' life, and the accuracy of the bible are concerned that is ridiculous. The bible is so full of historical errors and contradictions that I don't even know where to start. Jesus is a made up character based on many other "Godmen" of the era, and cast in a Jewish light, plain and simple. If anyone would like to prove his existence to me using non religious sources I am all ears.
Originally posted by VergeofObscene
Great posts, Dragon and Magiq! It's quite sad to see so many bible believers here, desperately holding on to their beliefs for whatever reason. the concept of heaven and hell is the ultimate good cop/bad cop strategy employed by those who seek to control the masses (called NWO here)...as Dragongirl already pointed out, most people are clueless as to what happens after a person dies, so they are particularly vulnerable in that area. It's easy to manipulate someone about a subject when they are so uncertain about it...
I would like to encourage certain people in this thread to think a little more. Things like karma etc. can be seen in your everyday lives if only you allow yourself to see it. Things like God/Heaven/Hell/Jesus are untrue CONCEPTS, founded for the very worst of reasons. Don't waste time entertaining thoughts that were designed to cajole you into losing yourSELF...when people speak of God and God's will, they often lose their own personality, their own opinions, and their own judgements, instead placing the responsibility on 'God' to reward those who do his bidding and punish those who do not. Anyone who believes in a being that condemns non-believers to hell needs to re-evaluate themselves...
Originally posted by smsjogren
This is amazing. Never before have I become this enraged, or disgusted, I'm not quite sure which. I guess that's just more emotion for the NWO to feed on, eh? How could you come up with this masterwork of insanity? I am impressed with your creative mind, though.
But, come on! A group of demon-alien-spirits that try to control the world throughout the existence of man by creating religion. I'm not upset by this, I've read crazier ideas. They feed on human emotion, namely suffering. This is where I get pissed. It sounds like you got high out of your mind and read the X-Men's Dark Phoenix saga, and in the meantime were so hungry, that in your state of delusion, tried to devour your OWN emotions. It's the same way I feel about people who say animals can "smell your fear."
Emotions cannot tangibly exist for consumption or be aromatic. I kind of could be proven wrong in that you can see an emotion displayed on another person, but I refuse to believe that you can use any of your other senses to be involved with emotions.
Anyway, if your writing what you truly believe, then why not just let people who believe in religions be enslaved? Are you trying to "save" them as Christians seem to want to do for the rest of the world?
I'm afraid that nothing told to me by any religion, atheist, or spirit world lady will change what I believe, and I will face what comes at the end of my time as I have everything else in my life. I don't see anything wrong with religion, whether I believe in any or not. Every modern religion I can think of at this moment is based on peace with your fellow man, rather than destroying them. That sounds contrary to the purpose of this NWO, who wants us to suffer. Wouldn't they have just kept the old pagan religions popular, like the Norse praise for valiant warriors who kill many in battle? This contradiction reminds me of many that people find in the very Bible you deem as leading to man's destruction.
By the way, I do agree that by now, if Heaven and Hell exist, they must be awfully crowded. However, I find reincarnation implausible as well. Rather, the only option I want to see as the afterlife, being an eternal, pleasant sleep. For some reason, I don't know why, I see it being gray and foggy.
The last thing I have to say is that Nebraska is one of the most beautiful places on earth. How dare you call it sucky! I'm not actually upset by that, I understand some might find it dull, but I enjoy it! To each their own, I suppose.