Can't believe I sifted this thread for a space battle and all I get is a plug for night vision goggles?
If anyone has ever seen anything interesting with NV-Let alone a space battle!-Please post!
Also who starts a thread and does not even give the time of day to contribute to the discussion? I'm not impressed.

I was pretty skeptical of Ed's claims when I first heard them, but I decided to take him up on his offer to look for myself.

I did so on two separate nights, several months apart and WOW-- I definitely saw what I believe to have been some sort of craft. Not just one or two, but at least a dozen. I also saw moths, bats, birds and satellites, but none of those crossed from one horizon to the other in seconds, made right angle turns, etc. It is really remarkable when you see it for yourself. I would not believe from the videos either, since there is never any context outside the frame of the goggles so it's impossible to really tell relative distances etc. But when you are looking up at the whole sky and then squinting through the goggles and suddenly you see these things, there is almost zero doubt that they are some kind of craft.

I never saw any "battles," and I can't imagine how you could tell the shape of anything really through the NV (ie "deltas, "ovals," etc). I don't personally subscribe to any particular theories of who was operating them, allies/enemies, space battles or anything else. In my opinion that is all speculation.

But I know I saw some really strange and remarkable things. I do not believe they were satellites, bugs, venus or any other conventional objects. Many others have seen them too.

If you haven't actually looked through the NV equipment for yourself then really, you are talking out of your ass. It's easy to see some grainy video out of context on the web, hear some wild rambling explanation of it, and conclude that the whole thing is BS. Go ahead and feel smug and proud of your superior brain.

I really didn't expect to see anything but bugs when I looked through those goggles. I was pretty amazed at what I did see, although I cannot say what it was other than my VERY strong impression was of something very high altitude, mechanical, and intelligently guided.

Just a gut feeling that I was looking at "vehicles." Like I said, I saw several trace the arc of the sky from one end to the other in seconds (much faster than satellites, slower and longer than shooting stars), and several make very sharp turns. They appear to be much higher than the birds, insects, etc, have much less organic flight patterns, and a much sharper and brighter appearance (bugs and birds are more blurry and diffuse looking, and you usually figure out what you are seeing pretty quickly)

I doubt you would see them with a telescope simply because people would already be seeing and reporting them much more often. With the NV you can go out on just about any night and see strange things.

I realize that makes something more mundane a more likely explanation and I am actually quite open to a more conventional explanation than vehicles, but not from someone who hasn't directly observed it for themselves.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by vimanaboy]

If they are having battles above us, why cant we see it???

So if an alien builds a spacecraft, it might be made of something that is very durable, right? so if there are really BATTLES goin on, why no ships hittin the ground. What,... they are ALL burnin up on entry, not possible.And you never see an escort goin up with the space shuttle.or a gunner on board.

Originally posted by vimanaboy
I was pretty skeptical of Ed's claims when I first heard them, but I decided to take him up on his offer to look for myself.

I did so on two separate nights, several months apart and WOW-- I definitely saw what I believe to have been some sort of craft. Not just one or two, but at least a dozen. I also saw moths, bats, birds and satellites, but none of those crossed from one horizon to the other in seconds, made right angle turns, etc. It is really remarkable when you see it for yourself. I would not believe from the videos either, since there is never any context outside the frame of the goggles so it's impossible to really tell relative distances etc.

Dude cmon hook it up, please post a video of what you see through the goggles.

You will be a hero to many

Originally posted by Nightflyer28


Until you can provide proof beyond just claiming you saw hundreds of spaceships, all you get from me is a barely stifled yawn and suggestions of reserving a room at your nearby hospital's mental health wing.

Now that's a real example of healthy thinking. The rest who thinks differently, MARCH !!! Straight to a mental institution. We don't deserve to be among the realistic and very very down to earth people.

C'mon people!
Are you trying to say that IF he had nightvision videos of a war with spaceships fighting above our heads you would NOT call them FAKE VIDEOS?

You wont believe sh*t unless its with your own eyes. THATS A FACT! So look up in the sky with your own eyes people (or whatever you are?)!

"oh, no.. thats silly... we are the only species with a brain in the entire universe. In fact its only on this planet in the entire universe bacteria and water exists. Everything else is BS!"...

Originally posted by Annav
C'mon people!
Are you trying to say that IF he had nightvision videos of a war with spaceships fighting above our heads you would NOT call them FAKE VIDEOS?

You wont believe sh*t unless its with your own eyes. THATS A FACT! So look up in the sky with your own eyes people (or whatever you are?)!

Well said. In human psychology is a condition or a pattern called consensus blindness. Is a phenomena which can almost be called a defining characteristic of the human race. Means that people do not see what is in front of them because they believe they should not. And that's simple. Goes by the model created long ago. Is the same pattern as in political spinning which in its own is the art of constructing a consensus reality around events by the spinner. It takes advantage of the fact that humans cannot interpret events on their own but require a context; the spinner supplies the context. And unfortunately this excessive timidity of humanity is what enables our species to be routinely manipulated. We just live in a vast collective dream. And that's the reason why 'heretics' and original thinkers are always persecuted, because they threaten the dream. As far as this concept goes, collectively we're told and taught that we're alone. Chances for a civilization to have evolved in another planet within or out our solar system are so remote that even mentioning is not worth it. This concept is buried so bad in our subconscious that is very hard to by pass it. I remember while reading The Book Of Dulce from Branton, one of the JPL's scientists looking at a clear picture of a UFO (most likely those that aren't seen by the public) sees it and even though the view was right in front of his eyes, subconsciously he wasn't prepared to accept the reality. Goes on by saying that in order for him to believe, needs more proof And that fits the bill. Who doesn't want to believe, who is is denial, is going to be like that no matter what. For a lot more of a time we're gonna see the things the way we are and not the way they are.

You wont believe sh*t unless its with your own eyes. THATS A FACT! So look up in the sky with your own eyes people (or whatever you are?)!

Exactly. I wouldn't either. There is no "proof" in a posting about this to ATS, only a suggestion that maybe you should get off your ass and look for yourself if you want to qualify to have an opinion about it that's actually worth anything.

You guys need to keep in mind that Phillip Corso a top Pentagon official says in his book " The Day After Roswell" that the Star Wars (SDI) system was put in place to fight hostile ET's and this sort of thing has been going on for years. Notice that Star Wars was a apt nickname for this system because in the movie that's what took place - one race using lasers to combat another races ships. It is a fact that we have atomic/nuclear powered satellites in orbit with heavy laser capabilities. A study of world history reveals the presence of aliens on earth and coming to earth for countless centuries now. This is recorded in some way in almost every culture dating back many thousands of years.

Two good starting points for research include Secret Space volumes 1 and 2 as found on Google Video. You may not believe everything you see in those videos but there is enough provable information to cast doubt on what the government says is really going on in orbit around this planet.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]

Originally posted by loOranks
Aren't there any decent HD Nightvision Camera's available?

Just hold a camera to the lens of a night vision scope. Works for me.