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Originally posted by HulaAnglers
reply to post by Revealation
Mercola has posted this important information. Only people who are well informed and stand up for themselves will survive this genocide! How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds
you can legally charge them with "assault with a deadly weapon" and have the full resources of our laws behind you.
Shots in the dark is an unreleased Canadian documentary which describes the ravages unknowing care workers have been causing...reCreating these verulent deseases and mixing them with emuno-suppressant lethal chemicals is -The True Act of Terrorism Every rightssupressing de facto bill that has been passed is fraudulent, every branch of society has been infiltrated by deceitful and soulless charlatans who help set this fiasco in place...sad
Good luck and stay safe
[edit on 24-9-2009 by HulaAnglers]
Originally posted by HulaAnglers
Thanks for your attention - Unfortunately your link is not working, what was the thread about? (probably activism of sorts)
Originally posted by Thumb
Rev, I suggest filing a lawsuit. Get with as many of the people your wife works with and file a lawsuit. This seems to be happening at state level, there for you need to go into a federal court, in which this is unconstitutional.
You obviously don't get it. The DOD is an oxymoron, and is the exact opposite of justice. They promote breaking the laws, and their own status as being above the law. Lawyers, politicos, judges, cops, feds, they are all anti-American.
Another thing to add to the mix is that, in regards to Health (be it your own or the wider health of society), there already exists - well, at least in my country of New Zealand anyway - processes/Acts that allow for the forced detainment and treatment of a country's citizens for their own good or for the good of that society.
An example of that would be the Mental Health Act and the associated Compulsory Treatment Orders that entails.
Essentially the Mental Health Act is the strong-arm of the Mental Health/Hospital system in my country...and its certainly not uncommon amongst most other countries also whereby if someone is deemed to be *unwell* and/or poses a significant threat (be it real or potential) of harm to self or others...then boom, people like me (Snr Psych Nurse/Duly Authorised Officer) can basically sign off some paperwork, give the Police a call and have you detained and transported to the nearest Psych Unit for further assessment/commital/treatment.
Here is where it starts to get dodgy.
The Mental Health Act is NOT intended to detain. It is NOT intended to forcibly remove another citizen from their fundamental rights. It is NOT intended to be a long term action - rather its principle intention is to assist at a time when perhaps 'assistance' is not wanted by the person...and really - despite the very real weighty power it allows - be as 'less intrusive upon the person' as possible for the shortest possible length of time.
That is the intention.
However - how it is actioned is variable, and variable upon the Clinicians actioning it.
For some of us we do only utilise the MHA in situations of very real and imminent danger, and then ONLY for the extent that danger can be mitigated in other forms less restrictive and invasive upon the person.
For other Clinicians however its welded like a sword. Its power, intention and wording within it is 'bent', sometimes outright broken, and it becomes a vehicle of extreme disempowerment of the person.
Someone under the MHA both does AND doesn't have a right to refuse treatment.
They do have a *right* to say "Heck no I don't give my permission for you to inject me with that IMI".
The reality however is that refusal is noted, and where deemed necessary the person can actually be restrained and the medication administered.
So really the only *true* choice that exists is around HOW the medication is administered - either willingly or unwilling, as when under the MHA the final choice doesn't rest with the person, it rests with the responsible Clinician.
...that said...and while I do acknowledge that Mental Health is somewhat different, the over-riding fundamental ideology of doing something perhaps unwanted by the person for their own good and/or for the good of others most certainly already exists.
Not only does it exist, but also seems to be reasonably welcomed by the wider community.
Perhaps thats somewhat based upon the perceptions and stigmatisation of people experiencing any form of unwellness/Mental Illness.
Often do I hear people say things like "Unwell people should be treated." or "They need to be in hospital" or "They pose too much of a risk to themselves and to others if they are allowed to wander around untreated" etc etc.
The wider public actually seem to support the idea of the MHA, support the idea of basically removing and remedying a perceived threat to society.
Its that type of thinking where I see the similarity - and the possible opening - with these types of Acts/Laws around physical health.
Thin edge of the wedge and all that...
The MHA could be seen as somewhat of a precedent already that could be transferred over to forced detention and treatment of a country's citizens.
So when I hear/read people say things like "That will never happen" or "Thats just wrong, how can that pass?" well...the processes are already there.
It already is in other sectors of health/society.
And at least in my country has been for the last 17 years (since its last revision anyway).
Originally posted by tempest501
It must be nice to live in your world thats all I can say. Its not as black and white as you paint it. I'm afraid in reality there is many shades of grey.
Originally posted by AmethystSD
reply to post by Wildbob77
Do you have a job? Do you need the money you make at that job to live? Without your job, would you be able to afford things like food and health care?
If you don't need your job in order to eat, then maybe it wouldn't seem like such a big deal to you. But for some, finding a job is hard, and money is tight.
Maybe you don't think having to get a shot is such a big deal, because you think it is safe. Is it really that hard to understand where the rest of us are coming from?
Originally posted by grahag
Is that the ONLY job out there? no. Healthcare workers are in HUGE demand right now.
The choice they're making is to complain and get angry and rage at the machine, but in the end the choice is theirs to do it, or don't.
If it was me, and I felt like they did, I'd refuse the shot and take it from there. Forcing would be to restratin them and give them the shot against their will.
Across the country, federal health officials say, only about 42 percent of all health care workers get an annual flu shot. That is little better than the overall national average of 33 percent and far below the 65 to 70 percent rate for the elderly.
Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by searching4thetruth
It's MANDATORY that his wife get the vaccine. If she doesn't she loses her job.
[edit on 23-9-2009 by nunya13]
[edit on 23-9-2009 by nunya13]