The Desperation and Danger of the Obama Supporters Who Claim not to be Obama Supporters.

Many of you by now should have noticed this fringe, and very dangerous movement of people, which includes at least some members, who use any and every excuse they can come up with to dismiss, and even ignore the facts that the Obama administration, and that includes President Obama, have been doing a great deal of damage to the Republic of the United States and it's people.

Yes, it is true that ex-President Bush also did some damage to the Republic such as the passing of the Patriot Act which at first was to be used against real terrorists, but the present administration is worse.

Almost every conspiracy which has been spoken about in these forums, from forced electronic implants to keep track of citizens, forced vaccinations, indefinite detention of civilians for not committing any crime, forced quarentines, and including the fall, or destruction of the dollar, and the Republic are now more evident than ever before under the Obama administration.

This fact has even been acknowledged by many Americans from ALL political denominations, several leftwing sources, and including those who are in the moderate left are acknowledging the fact that not only is the Obama administration continuing to do the same things which ex-President Bush did, but President Obama, and his administration have been taking several steps in making things worse to the point that now EVERY American who happens to disagree with any policy of the Obama administration, or are against a One World Government, or fear Communism, or are returning veterans, or simply want the government to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States, among many other things, have been labeled as "possible terrorists" by the Obama administration.

Not only that but President Obama himself has stated that he wants to make legally the ability for the government to indefinetedly detain any person, even if that person hasn't committed any crimes. None other than Rachel Maddow discussed this in a video which has been posted many times in the forums.

President Obama was also caught making deals with Big Pharma, and one of the agreements he made was that he would make everything possible to stop Congress from forcing Big Pharma to lower the cost of prescription drugs, which of course only helps Big Pharma.

Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma

A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."

www.huffingtonpost.com...

So again, the dellusional claims from those people who keep claiming Obama, and his administration are trying to pass this healthcare reform to help the people, are not only dellusional, but they continuously want to dismiss the facts about the Obama healthcare reform WHICH EVEN LEFTIST SOURCES CONFIRM....

Healthcare FLASHBACKS (VIDEO)
The above comes from THE HUFF, another LEFTIST source and it shows several videos of the lies, I mean changes that President Obama has made about healthcare reform which differ from the promises he made.

Obama's healthcare reform to help elder Americans?.... NOPE...
www.youtube.com...

Not to mention the following...

BTW, as i posted on another thread, here are some of the things done by the Obama administration with the blessings of President Obama.

Apart from the DHS, under Janet Napolitano, labeling most Americans as "possible terrorists" just for wanting to uphold and defend the Constitution, the following are some of the other things done by the Obama administration, and President Obama himself.

Let's see... What recent presidents EVER called for a Civilian National Security Force, with more Americorps, and Obama youths that have ages starting from secondary and even primary school?

What president wanted to have these Civilian National Security and children to train in anti-terrorist drills?

What president passed a law, as H.R. 1388 which states the Corporation has the power over all learn based/educational programs, as well as Community Service programs. This includes ALL children, whether they are stay at home kids, whether they go to privae schools, or a school in a reservation.

not to mention...

H.R.1388
GIVE Act (Introduced in House)

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SEC. 6104. DUTIES.
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(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

Unfortunately this link doesn't last long, but you can check the information yourself.

link

Oh, and let's not forget the Corporation has the right to have a centralized electronic citizenship verification system...

Study of Centralized Electronic Citizenship Verification System: H.R. 1388 authorizes the Corporation to conduct a new study on establishing an electronic citizenship verification system and then implement a pilot based on the recommendations from the study. The bill authorizes such sums for this study from FY 2010 through 2014.

Link

Scroll down almost to the middle.

You think all of the above is "for the good of the people"?

The Obama healthcare reform is about giving more power to BIG PHARMA. Instead of allowing people, even elder Americans having treatments, or operations that could save them, and keep them from taking more pills, instead the government, and president Obama himself claim "it might be better if you take the pill, instead of having the treatment, or operation because the treatments or operations are not economically viable.

Obamacare: Just take a Pill

Let's not forget Obama- Preventive and Indefinite Detention
Which again comes from a LEFTIST source known as Rachael Maddow...

Going back to the point of this thread there are many supporters of President Obama's policies, and this "dangerous" fringe movement have been trying their hardest to dismiss what the Obama administration has done, and is continuing to do.

These people have gone as far as making up claims that the Americans who opose the Obama administration policies are all "dangerous rightwing evangelicals", among the other names they have for anyone who oposes any policy of Obama.

Not only do these people like to ignore the fact that many Americans from the left side of politics have been waking up to what the Obama administration has been doing, but these people have also gone as far as to claim that anyone who oposes President Obama's policies are "white racists."

You are going to ask me how are these people "dangerous"? Well, they are dangerous because not only do they believe that "forced Community Service", and among other mandatory requirements such as "forced vaccinations" which are known to have mercury, not to mention the fact that such "forced vaccinations" will have no effect on any mutated strain of the flu which WHO, the UN and the Obama administration claim will be lethal, and could kill millions, but they believe the Obama administration, and more so President Obama can do no wrong, and since the Obama administration has even asked these same people who believe in him, and in his policies blindly to "snitch" to the Obama amdinistration on anyone, and any website or emails which presents the truth about the Obama healthcare reform, and I fear these people are so brainwashed, and so naive that they will turn in even their own family members. This has happened many times before, and it is happening again.

This is the main reason why these people are dangerous.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

yes,,,, but these plans have been in place and been slowly creeping towardfs them for quite some time now

the crisis is a good time when people are distracted to go even further

bush is obama and obama is bush
don't fool yourself

the current economic crisis,,, breakout of swine flu will advance many of these agenda's further no less

and "they" will play obama as"change" or diiferent,,, a new direction,, than bush for us to believe these radical new directionsa are good way to go

reply to post by shortywarn


They have been in place for a long time yes, to convert the Republic of the United States into another Socialist dictatorship, and the first mayor checkmate was when Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, signed the Federal Reserve Act puting bankers as the owners of the U.S.

I am really very tired of the "this president is worse than the last" arguments. the reasons are as follows:

1)In the last 60 years, the president does not have the full power. Therefore, you all tend to give far more credit than what is due for the good/bad that happens during a presidency.

2)It is IMPOSSIBLE to quantify. The effects a president has on this country ripple for generations. We are seeing things that Wilson did just now start to have a true affect on people. We will never know what Carter did, as Reagan repealed most of it. There just is no way you can possibly, with any accuracy or factual basis, claim that Obama is worse than bush, or any other comparison of the sort. Therefore, doing so is nothing other than partisan political propaganda.

3)Obama has been in office less than a year. Perhaps we ought to give him time before we lump him with the best, or worst, that we've had.

4)Saying the Patriot Act was to combat terrorism is VERY naive. Go do some research on the PNAC. They had the Patriot Act drawn up since prior to '99.

5)All presidents, regardless or affiliation, are part of the same beast. Reagan paved the way for Bush sr.'s agendas. Bush sr paved the way for Clinton. Clinton opened doors for W., and the only reason Obama can do some of the things he is doing is because of the path paved by Bush jr.

Quit pitting them against each other like this is some sort of game. Unless you do, the only people who will pay for it are the every day citizens like you and I.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


while i agree that these problems have been coming on for some time, that we are ripe for the socialist picking, obama has taken advantage of his uniqueness (first "black" president) to ram through really dangerous legislation and do some radical things. a stimulus bill that forces entitlements on states that will never be reversed, even when he leaves office. take over of industries. all this stuff. his radical appointments who appear not to have been vetted in any normal sense. and the debt he is amassing is unbelievable. that anybody can look at it calmly makes me think they are on drugs.

while i have always bought into the notion that dem and repub are equally evil, i am not willing to use that excuse for obama. he chose to take up with the people who have financed his career. His arrogance and belief in his own importance is unceasing. frankly i'm worried about what all he will commit this country to at this UN session. it doesn't appear that he needs approval, though chances are the democratically dominated congress would approve whatever he wants.

i wonder if the democrats in congress who seem utterly blinded by greed and corruption themselves, have noticed that he may well destroy their party. have they noticed that he cares no more for them than for blacks or the poor? these are all simply groups he appropriates for his own uses.

would anybody stop him if he starts detaining "domestic terrorists" who simply disagree with his policies? even on this forum we see how difficult it is to disagree with his policies without being called racist.

if he does manage to bailout the newspapers, would they ever again dare to print one crumb of skepticism about his agenda? of course not. same with all other groups he helps. they owe him and he pays them royally.

i think it is time to start thinking of him as a democrat and realize that he is in it for his own agenda and that of his elite supporters.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I see, so you don't want to put any fault whatsoever on President Obama, and his administration for legislation which THEY are passing?....

I said it in the op, yes this changing of the Republic towards a Socialist dictatorship has been happening for a long time, but many Americans belived, and many still believe that President Obama will bring good cahnge for us all, when everything being passed by this administration will only further oppress us as a nation.

It is the choice of President Obama, and his administration to pass these legislations, and sign them into laws, so yes they are guilty of what they are doing nomatter how long ago this process started.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I see, so you don't want to put any fault whatsoever on President Obama, and his administration for legislation which THEY are passing?....

I said it in the op, yes this changing of the Republic towards a Socialist dictatorship has been happening for a long time, but many Americans belived, and many still believe that President Obama will bring good cahnge for us all, when everything being passed by this administration will only further oppress us as a nation.

It is the choice of President Obama, and his administration to pass these legislations, and sign them into laws, so yes they are guilty of what they are doing nomatter how long ago this process started.

Is that what I said in any way? No. What I said was, to sit here and get consumed by the silly bickering of which president is worse than the other, you are missing the grander picture, and are therefore playing right into it. Not just playing into it, but perpetuating it.

When you look at it below the surface, ou realize that obama, bush, clinton, it doesnt matter. The common ties in congress and the cabinet between all of our last 5 presidents is uncanny, and unmistakable. If we focused on what was actually is going on, and who actually has power, we'll see it certainly isn't the president.

Furthermore, you can play the blame game all you want. the fact still remains that Obama wouldnt be able to do what he has done without bush paving the way. And Bush wouldnt have been able to do his deeds without clinton.....and right on down the line.

To simply look at it that narrowly is short sighted and naive.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
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To simply look at it that narrowly is short sighted and naive.

Did president Obama not claim from the beginning he would make many of these changes that are happening now?....

If president Obama was really interested in what happens to the Republic he could speak out and make changes. He has many Americans following him, so yes, he is to blame not only for implementing policies that are furthering making this nation into a Socialist dictatorship, but he is a willing accomplish to what is happening.

President Obama has many Americans following him, and if he was to take responsibility for what his administration, the elites, and he himself are doing, he would be speaking out and warning Americans. He could be fighting for us, yet he isn't. He is willingly being an accomplice to this takeover of the United States.

To quote you, not recognizing this fact is not only naive, but also short sighted.

I'm trying to get this rumor circulating.
I've seen it where they morph Bush to Obama. Not many changes.

Obama is a second cousin to Bush's great aunt on his mother's side.

Obama is not worse. He is exactly the same.
And it is anything stagnant that is evil.
To disallow the country to change, is to be evil.

The difference as I see it is that the far right is much more vocal than anything on the left. Micheal Moore was castigated by the neo-cons during the Bush administration. From his stance to his weight. Haven't heard anything on his new movie now that he's going after Obama. Hypocrisy anyone?

Originally posted by intrepid
The difference as I see it is that the far right is much more vocal than anything on the left. Micheal Moore was castigated by the neo-cons during the Bush administration. From his stance to his weight. Haven't heard anything on his new movie now that he's going after Obama. Hypocrisy anyone?

Do you even know what "far right" means?

BTW, according to wiki a neo-con is...

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes

en.wikipedia.org...

First of all I am not a Liberal, so I don't want to spread liberalism to other nations. Not to mention that the united States is not a DEMOCRACY, which also means I do not want to spread DEMOCRACY anywhere...

Second of all neither i, or most Republicans/conservatives who i have seen respond in these forums agree with allowing the U.S. to become a nanny, or welfare state... so most of us who respond in these forums are not "neo-cons"... But nice try to label those you disagree with.

BTW, perhaps you haven't noticed but people like me don't care about what Moore has to say, he has lied in the past just for his own agenda, so I do not follow whatever "Moore" is doing....

Anyway, it is good to see that some people still try to use red herrings, and label everyone into one group because they don't agree with these people.



[edit on 5-10-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

"The worst atrocities are always committed under the guise of helping the many" - forget who said it

It stands true even today. Eliminating free market on a huge amount of money that is the current healthcare system? If that wasnt bad enough fining every single person 700 dollars per year for not getting the government insurance? Sounds like burning the wick from both ends to me... Structural economic collapse anyone? And if that wasnt bad enough you've got both parties cat fighting over who needs to apologize to who when they really need to be apologizing to the american people for acting like sniveling little babies rahter than doing their job.

What the atrocity is? no idea. But you can see the shadow of it on the horizon .... it looks big