Originally posted by Maslo
I fully agree with mopusvindictus that the only place where birth control is needed is third world countries. Developed countries have opposite problem.

I also agree that bad resource utilisation is caused by human greed, but i dont have faith in those alternative economy systems (resource based etc). You have to force people to work, or they won't.

The bottom line is, we need to somehow achieve slow growth or stagnation. Quick growth or reduction leads to poverty and problems.

THANK YOU

is it so bad to say straight up that Americans not having babies is not the answer to the problems in AFRICA

Why do I have to feel guilt about this, about how much we eat when we send tons of food and aid overseas, food ROTS before we can eat it or ship it, we have water out the wazzooo

Why the hell should I stop having kids and a family when I go outside and there are friggin Elk jumping over my fence... Food, a damn Turkey went running over my roof last week, scared the hell out of me i should have shot it but my freezer is FULL

I'm not supposed to say this stuff, but what can I do? Why should I be told to live a lesser life, give away whatever I have not have kids... while in the 3rd world they don't have sewage in some places or irrigation like it's MY FAULT

The basic thing..IF we don't match them in population we can NEVER afford to help them, it's insane... the idea of help is I should die, not have a family and send my life savings overseas so they can have 7 children come here and build a hut on my grave?

If my money spent was even simply not spent STUPIDLY I am a Human, I like to help people... But they airlift in crackers and cheese or whatever they do...

My tax money goes 10x more to building weapons systems they then buy and shoot each other in the face with... it's the sickest stupidest cycle that can be imagined, it's like we have lost our minds...

"just a dollar a day can save a child" so you send your dollar and then us and the Russians supply weapons and the kid watches his mom get raped in Darfur and we drop crackers to feed him while he sits over a corpse ... and My Letter is supposed to make him feel better

"I sent you a 1.00 today and the USA is dropping in Cheese...best of luck,O btw this is a picture of me in my BMW"

Then they tell ME to use Birth Control to control the population crisis.

It seriously is like they have Iq's bellow 70

"don't waste your food there are starving children in Africa"

What should I do? Throw a 3/4 eaten piece of Chicken into a ziplock and mail it?

"don't have children the world is running out of resources"

Sure in 3000 years when palo verde Nuclear reactor melts down if America doesn't have a viable solution for my lights my ancestors might be SOL...

"there is Global warming"

Sure record low temp by me is -30 F (without windchill )in January... at this rate in 720 years I might not need a jacket in August, you now I go to the beach on vacation and really, the Oceans are just boiling away...

It just blows my mind... they CARE so much about Africa

"They have no water"

Sure the Russians can drill Miles into the earth and Pump a black gooey substance that they can only find somewhere at a depth that... we get reports in here "the screams of hell" on audio from Russian drillers... and then pipe this junk... all the way to Europe....

But with 7000 Trillion tons of ice laying on the surface covering half the Country... they can't afford to build a really Long water pipe...

Then these same jerks, these outrageous liars and phoneys... have the nerve to tell me, I shouldn't have kids because of some imaginary crisis

I'm being funny because... it's INSANE

All I can do is Laugh that some people in here, all over the world are convinced we are running out of water... I want to curse...but I can't...

"We are running out of Water?" Desalinization has been around for a century... 2/3rds of the Earth is Covered in water...

And people turn on the News... and watch TV and Believe this crap?

People watch TV and a Install Low flush toilet handles that you can't even get a Turd down with...so you flush 3x instead... and waste 2x as much water... believe it's because of a "water shortage" Not a Govt too cheap and war mongering to build a new damn pipe or reservoir... Then they set their alarms and get up and drive 20 minutes and GO BOATING THE NEXT DAY....

Every Single American with a low flow shower head and low flush toilet deserves a dunce cap...









[edit on 25-9-2009 by mopusvindictus]

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
I go out my door...

There are 300 plus miles of national forest one way and another 300 miles the other way 95% uninhabited by human life, this is in the Continental USA

You have a BIASED perspective.

Have you been to Asia?

Do You know what it's like to be in a place where they actually have large amounts of population?
Do you even live in a megacity?

I've been to Thailand to be a monk. Tourist guides there tell me there are no more pristine jungles, no more monkey, no more tigers. In fact I was in a small town, and felt like I was in an American suburb, people playing the same video games (cellphone ringtone of machinegun fire) at internet cafe.

They've eaten everything their jungle had to provide, whats left be small insects not worth eating, and birds too hard to catch. as well as plenty domsetic of dogs and chickens. Ya there still be some plant life, but I did go to a national park, and jungles were strangely quiet.

Thailand isn't even known for being overpopulated and yet they've managed to eradicate most of their wildlife by clearing jungles for plowing agriculture which produces far less food.

There really isn't that much room.

You say Alaska and Canada even Greenland. Have you been there? Do you have any idea what it's like when it's -40 below in the day time and you gotta stay warm? Sipping on some pine needle tea, and eating pine bark bread.

Ya Canada's great. I guess you could call that luxury. But what if someone tried to farm there? or they already lumberjacked most big trees. there wouldn't be enough trees to go around, so everyone would freeze to death. To harvest pine bark the tree has to be more than a foot wide, that be about a 100 years of growth.
. Plowing agriculture is one of the most destructive and high energy forms of food growing after slash and burn. Seedball forest gardening be sustaining method that even birds use (eat berry then defecate, feces be act as seedball). In fact I've found that birds are probably one of the best contributors to repopulating wastelands like those between highways -- humans being some of the worst by destroying what little grows in cities by mowing.

But Greenland, really think about it, you're on a glacier, the only thing you can see in either direction is Ice. What are you gonna do to eat? Seals are only near the shore, so that don't count. You can't eat snow. If you plan to grow stuff in containers that requires transporting large amounts of equipment which is not self-sustaining.

realistically, at 7 billion people, and with all earths land (including arctic canada) minus greenland and antarctica there be 4 acres per person.

a quarter acre be necessary for human to live on arable land, perhaps an eighth of an acre in a jungle. But where will the wildlife go? will there be any?

Living in a megacity be one of the loneliest, most toxic vocations ever. I'm in Toronto and I know it's one of the best, perhaps most eco friendly multi cultural mega cities on the planet. yet it still toxic and the only people that seem to enjoy it are so heavily mind controlled they aren't aware of alternatives.

crowded places of silent people brushing by each other.
sure everyone be polite an courteous and if you really wanted to, could talk to someone in the street. But will you ever see that person again? probably not. So isn't talking to them just a waste of time? so everyone goes about silently.

Making killing people legal could certainly improve the population situation.
The judicial system be mainly beneficial for royal government officials.
The people are who are being defended against.
And really it's just a monopoly on violence held by the royal government.

they don't want you using their product, they patended violence, it's their copyright, if you use violence, that infringes on their monopoly, so they forcibly confine you, which they also have a monopoly on. since ordinary people aren't allowed to forcibly confine each other.

this not holographic system if not every element has all components and abilities.
[edit on 25-9-2009 by lowki]

forest garden social village be holographic system.
every social village can do whatever they want in their forest garden.
once the population reaches over say 90, then the village splits, a new village be built, just like biological cells or nuclear atoms.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by lowki]

[edit on 25-9-2009 by lowki]