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Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Nutter
The whole idea is that you can't look at photos or go to weather reports to predict exactly how a piece of paper is going to behave when falling from an elevation of 1000, adajcent to a burning skyscraper, in lower Manhattan at a given moment in time.
posted by Nutter
I just found something interesting in favor of your arguement hooper. According to weather underground, the wind in Manhattan, NY was 3 mph - NNW. I may have to rethink my stance on this particular arguement.
Wind:
Wind Speed 3 mph (NNW)
Max Wind Speed 9 mph
Max Gust Speed -
Visibility 10 miles
Source
The wind is NNW at 5mph?
does that mean it's coming from the NNW? or going NNW?
From the NNW. Wind is always FROM the listed direction.
In most cases, like in the world of meteorology, it is the direction the wind is blowing from.
Source
posted by hooper
reply to post by SPreston
Actually, what do we have that actually says, officially, that the passport was found on Vessey Street? I am only aware of the Commission Report that states that is was found by an unknown person an handed over to a Detective in the NYPD. So it could have landed anywhere.
-- Police and the FBI completed a grid search of area streets near the site of the World Trade Center looking for clues, said Barry Mawn, director of New York's FBI office.
The searchers found several clues, he said, but would not elaborate. Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. "It was a significant piece of evidence for us," Mawn said.
CNN Source
posted by hooper
reply to post by SPreston
Please note that the grid search and the passport find were separated by a week. The unknown person was not in the grid search area. But you knew that.
Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. "It was a significant piece of evidence for us," Mawn said.
Source
Originally posted by SPreston
posted by hooper
reply to post by SPreston
Please note that the grid search and the passport find were separated by a week. The unknown person was not in the grid search area. But you knew that.
We just do not know do we because the passport finding passerby is unknown; a phantom, a myth, anonymous, a non-person? Another 9-11 piece of BS masquerading as evidence.
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by sumgai
reply to post by Redneck from Hell
At THIS POINT in time, the thing that we should take from 9/11 is that it divided the world into three groups of people:
1) Those who believe it was an "inside job".
2) Those who believe the "official story".
3) Those who have no opinion.
One should understand that the majority of people who believe "the official story" are blinded by faith in their government and/or the written obligations of the government. The rest of this group are just idiots who believe the mass media, mass opinion, or both who have no critical thinking and/or analytical skills that feed independent/investigative thought.
The "inside job" group, IMO, is equally divided into two sub-groups: Those who WANT to think it was an "inside job" because they are naturally rebellious and anti-authoritarian (which IS HEALTHY to a certain extent) and those who have the critical thinking AND analytical skills that feed independent, investigative thought.
The final group I have no care for, because these are the people who are too complacent and/or lazy to think for themselves, OR they're the most callus of individuals, OR they just haven't seen that much of a change in their day-to-day lives, and therefore just don't give a ****.
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The only problem I have with this analysis is it wrongly implies that there is a "group" that thinks 9/11 was an inside job. There is no group. It is a small sub segment of a small sub culture that is deeply invested in conspiracies. You would have to go through the US population with a fine tooth comb to find enough people to fill a high school stadium, if that. Generally speaking, once you turn off your computer that "group" pretty much disappears.
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by HennyPen
reply to post by SphinxMontreal
I believe that Satam al-Suqami passport official storyline is toast (pun intended) figuratively speaking. With the FBI shooting themselves in the foot again and again on 911 issues, I believe it has been sufficiently proven that the passport was planted.
But why would the FBI and government officials think they need to fake evidence if 911 happened as claimed? Wouldn't the simple facts which naturally occur during an event be sufficient?
So what other evidence did they decide needed to be faked and planted covertly? Other passports claimed to be recovered from alleged 911 crash sites? Drivers licenses? Fuselage pieces? DNA? Single steel aircraft wheels with nine missing and single aircraft tires? Engine rotors? Jet fuel? Downed light poles? Eyewitnesses who cannot be tracked down publicly or who changed their original testimonies? Passengers still strapped into aircraft seats?
If they will lie about one event; why wouldn't they lie about other events?
First, prove it was planted with something other than - "I don't believe it". Then prove who lied and waht exactly they lied about. Please note the differnece between being wrong and lying. Just because you can prove that something said is wrong is not the same as proving that they lied.
Originally posted by hooper
massive diabolic conspiracy of unprecedented proportions and complexity carried out in one of the most open societies in history?
Originally posted by hooper
Lower order of probability - yes. Impossible - no.
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by hooper
massive diabolic conspiracy of unprecedented proportions and complexity carried out in one of the most open societies in history?
I'll let you answer your own question.
Originally posted by hooper
Lower order of probability - yes. Impossible - no.
BTW, you do know that your "diabolic conspiracy of unprecedented proportions and complexity carried out in one of the most open societies in history" also encompasses your Official Conspiracy Theory? Do you not?
You guys make me laugh.
"Yeah, um, the "terrorists" could do it, but, damn, not a covert part of a covert government." That logic is laughable at most, denial at the least.
Originally posted by hooper
That was a relatively simple matter of hijacking planes (done hundreds of times to date) and then flying them into buildings.