Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Orion7911
I could have posted a much longer explanation of the gentleman earlier but, just didnt have the time.
The FBI found a USAir employee who said Burke had borrowed the gun from him last month. Most incriminating was a note, written in Burke's hand, on the outside of an air-sickness bag. It read:
"Hi, Ray. I think it's sort of ironical that we end up like this. I asked for some leniency for my family, remember. Well I got none. And you'll get none."
Two days later, an FBI Agent working the scene found what appeared to be the barrel and trigger of a handgun. Forensic Analysists examined the pieces, and found a small peice of skin wedged between the trigger and the barrel. By matching the skin prints to the passenger manifest, investigators were able to conclude that the gun had been in the hand of USAir employee David Burke at the time of impact.
Several seconds later, the CVR picks up increasing windscreen noise as the airplane pitches down and begins to accelerate. A final gunshot is heard as Burke fatally shoots himself. Airspeed continues to build until 13,000 feet, when traveling at a velocity of 1.2x Mach, the aircraft breaks apart and the Flight Recorders cease functioning.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Kryties
I understand the sentence, however, am I to assume that anything that is posted in bold capital letters is now to be uncontestable fact?
Mistaken identity
Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.
Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.
The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.
Abdul Aziz Al-Omari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
The identities of two men with the same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!
The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.
The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.
Omari Number 1
"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews
"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.
"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times
"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
Omari Number 2
Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.
"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001
"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001
This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Originally posted by Kryties
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Kryties
I understand the sentence, however, am I to assume that anything that is posted in bold capital letters is now to be uncontestable fact?
news.bbc.co.uk...
Mistaken identity
Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.
Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.
The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.
guardian.150m.com...
Abdul Aziz Al-Omari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
The identities of two men with the same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!
The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.
The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.
Omari Number 1
"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews
"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001
"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.
"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times
"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC
"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)
Omari Number 2
Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.
"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001
"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001
This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Happy to oblige
Originally posted by ImAPepper
Hello again ATS'ers.
I have not recieved any feedback regarding the "suicide note" that was found from a passenger's air sickness bag:
The FBI found a USAir employee who said Burke had borrowed the gun from him last month. Most incriminating was a note, written in Burke's hand, on the outside of an air-sickness bag. It read:
"Hi, Ray. I think it's sort of ironical that we end up like this. I asked for some leniency for my family, remember. Well I got none. And you'll get none."
www.time.com...
Just as interesting is this:
Two days later, an FBI Agent working the scene found what appeared to be the barrel and trigger of a handgun. Forensic Analysists examined the pieces, and found a small peice of skin wedged between the trigger and the barrel. By matching the skin prints to the passenger manifest, investigators were able to conclude that the gun had been in the hand of USAir employee David Burke at the time of impact.
www.airdisaster.com...
This plane was traveling pretty fast too:
Several seconds later, the CVR picks up increasing windscreen noise as the airplane pitches down and begins to accelerate. A final gunshot is heard as Burke fatally shoots himself. Airspeed continues to build until 13,000 feet, when traveling at a velocity of 1.2x Mach, the aircraft breaks apart and the Flight Recorders cease functioning.
www.airdisaster.com...
I believe Mach 1 = over 760 MPH
So, what we have here is a murder - suicide in an aircraft that crashes at a very fast speed. Not only is a part of the murder weapon found with skin fragments found, there is a suicide note found written on an air sickness bag.
The found passport, in my opinion is not a strong point for the Truth community to hold on to regarding evdience of an inside job.
Thank you.
You're still pushing the "air" BS?!
Tell me, how does air accelerate itself out of a fuselage?
Ok then guys, let me get this straight. The passport belonged to no soul in the plane.
Do the sources recognize that it DID belong to someone on the plane, or not?
And a response to the guy that osted the video on the 1st page. Well wouldn't the pilots also bust straight through the building with the passport.
Well it doesn't even matter because the passport that was found didn't belong to anyone in the plane so wth???
Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by BRQuick
Nope. It doesn't explain away the argument. It's virtually irrelevant to the argument at hand. The plane in question crashed in a NORMAL fashion. It didn't completely imbed itself into a building and explode into a massive ball of fire. Plus, that gun was in the persons hand when they plane crashed. The passport wasn't. It was, as I explained above, either in his pocket or in some other type of carry on. That would mean that everything around it would need to be destroyed but miraculously this one piece of plastic and paper gets SHOT out of the side of the burning building to fall peacefully to earth with no burns.
AND it just happens to be the passport of a purported 'terrorist' found by an anonymous person and handed over as 'evidence'. Yup. We just don't want to hear anything that would disrupt those miraculous events.
