Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by HennyPen
The FBI created a tale (the grid search) which was official for over a year and then a lawyer for the 911 Commission decided that the tale (the grid search) was too suspicious, which it was, and changed it to an anonymous 'passerby' found the passport on the streets below and handed it to a NYPD detective who handed it over to the FBI

1. The story changed.

Originally posted by HennyPen
without bothering to do a detectives's job, which was to maintain the chain of evidence, by obtaining the anonymous 'passerby's' name and identity, and a full description on a police report of the location and circumstances of the passport discovery.

2. Someone can provide evidence for something like 9/11 completely anonymously?

Where exactly did the "story" change? Or are you reading things into the statements that really aren't there.

As for anonymous tips - please tell me you don't think that ever happened in the world of law enforcement or jurisprudence until 9/11.

As for the silly chain of custody argument - again - it is the morning of 9/11, two planes have just crashed into the WTC towers, people are dying, everybody is running around in a panic, every piece of emergncy equipment in NYC is trying to get to the WTC and you are an NYPD detective trying to help control the chaos. A man walks up to you, hands you a passport and says he just found this. You have no reason it is connected to anything, you pocket it just because it is a passport and continue to try and manage what is becoming an unmanageable situation.

Originally posted by hooper
Where exactly did the "story" change? Or are you reading things into the statements that really aren't there.

Originally posted by HennyPen
The FBI created a tale (the grid search) which was official for over a year and then a lawyer for the 911 Commission decided that the tale (the grid search) was too suspicious, which it was, and changed it to an anonymous 'passerby' found the passport on the streets below and handed it to a NYPD detective who handed it over to the FBI without bothering to do a detectives's job, which was to maintain the chain of evidence, by obtaining the anonymous 'passerby's' name and identity, and a full description on a police report of the location and circumstances of the passport discovery.

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........

The Official Story once again takes another quantum leap in logic.
It's hysterical people are even attempting to debunk this one.

"You can sqawk about north of Vessey Street, south of Vessey street, windspeeds, weather, etc. all you want. You can choose to dismiss the whole thing if that is what is most satisfying to you. But that is all there is. Lower order of probability - yes. Impossible - no."

Yeah, you're right, no need to "squawk" over how a very key piece of evidence was obtained on that day. No need to squawk over the bozo investigation of the whole 911 incident. No need to "squawk" over insignificant investigative details because they just insert doubts into people's minds about the garbage they have been fed.

Let's just all believe some story which has a "low order of probability" because the people who gave us this information are the same people who bungled the investigation from the very beginning. Gee, what a wonderful world this is where we can all make up some "low probability" statements without having to back them with a proper investigation and supporting evidence.

Why "squawk" when you can just sit on your fat lazy behind and believe what you are being told by people whose credibility and identity is unknown?

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"You can sqawk about north of Vessey Street, south of Vessey street, windspeeds, weather, etc. all you want. You can choose to dismiss the whole thing if that is what is most satisfying to you. But that is all there is. Lower order of probability - yes. Impossible - no."

Yeah, you're right, no need to "squawk" over how a very key piece of evidence was obtained on that day. No need to squawk over the bozo investigation of the whole 911 incident. No need to "squawk" over insignificant investigative details because they just insert doubts into people's minds about the garbage they have been fed.

Let's just all believe some story which has a "low order of probability" because the people who gave us this information are the same people who bungled the investigation from the very beginning. Gee, what a wonderful world this is where we can all make up some "low probability" statements without having to back them with a proper investigation and supporting evidence.

Why "squawk" when you can just sit on your fat lazy behind and believe what you are being told by people whose credibility and identity is unknown?

So what exactly do you want to do and what are you doing about it? Have you ever tried to contact the NYPD detective that was given the passport? Have you contacted the FBI and requested clarification on the grid search data and dates? Or are you content to just call everyone a liar and walk away?

posted by SphinxMontreal
"You can sqawk about north of Vessey Street, south of Vessey street, windspeeds, weather, etc. all you want. You can choose to dismiss the whole thing if that is what is most satisfying to you. But that is all there is. Lower order of probability - yes. Impossible - no."

Yeah, you're right, no need to "squawk" over how a very key piece of evidence was obtained on that day. No need to squawk over the bozo investigation of the whole 911 incident. No need to "squawk" over insignificant investigative details because they just insert doubts into people's minds about the garbage they have been fed.

Let's just all believe some story which has a "low order of probability" because the people who gave us this information are the same people who bungled the investigation from the very beginning. Gee, what a wonderful world this is where we can all make up some "low probability" statements without having to back them with a proper investigation and supporting evidence.

Why "squawk" when you can just sit on your fat lazy behind and believe what you are being told by people whose credibility and identity is unknown?

posted by hooper
So what exactly do you want to do and what are you doing about it? Have you ever tried to contact the NYPD detective that was given the passport? Have you contacted the FBI and requested clarification on the grid search data and dates? Or are you content to just call everyone a liar and walk away?

Have you conveniently forgotten that this is the same FBI which bungled the WACO massacre ending with the deaths of many innocent women and children?

Have you conveniently forgotten that this is the same FBI that bungled the 1st attack on the WTC in 93 ending with the FBI helping the alleged terrorists actually manage to set off some of their FBI supplied explosives?

Have you conveniently forgotten that this is the same FBI that fakes evidence and loses critical evidence in their own labs according to many FBI whistleblowers?

Have you conveniently forgotten that this is the same FBI that was immediately on scene at the Pentagon confiscating cameras and videos and bullying eyewitnesses and confiscating the Arlington County 911 call-ins and transcripts so the public would never know what potential eyewitnesses might have called in about?

Have you conveniently forgotten that this is the same FBI that cannot put together any evidence connecting Usama bin Laden to 9-11? Do you think it was the FBI or CIA creating the lousy Osama videos with the lousy actors? Surely you have an opinion? Since many world intelligence agencies think Osama died in December 2001, who do you think made the later Osama video and audio tapes?

Seems like you conveniently forget a lot of things doesn't it hooper?

Originally posted by IrnBruFiend

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.
Without much of a scratch........

The Official Story once again takes another quantum leap in logic.
It's hysterical people are even attempting to debunk this one.

I have to agree on this one wholeheartedly. It seems to me, and I do not profess to be an expert in the mind set of a terrorist, that if I were stealing someone identity to hijack some planes and fly them into buildings, assuredly killing myself and all aboard, I would not bring along my OWN passport.

I mean c'mon these guys, have got to be smarter than allowing their whole plan to come apart simply because they might need to identify themselves to a government official. Yup, "going to go on a rampage, better bring my real ID with me, just in case."

You know, common sense should be a super power, because it is so uncommon these days.

..Ex