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How do "non-believers " explain the passport?

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posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........




posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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What's this story?

Do you have a link to a news item or something, as I'm unaware of any passport...

Thanks



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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You forgot to add

.....through an explosion hot enough to apparently bring steel to melting point.

They will probably try to explain it the same way I was told to explain the lack of video evidence clearly showing a jet airliner slamming into the Pentagon: that we have an error in our thinking and that we must only think about the evidence collected that apparently proves the official story - and that we should discard such "ridiculous" evidence as a passport surviving a jet fuel explosion and building collapse, or more than 5 frames of footage from the military centre of America....

[edit on 22/9/2009 by Kryties]



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Also not forgetting the guy who the actual passport picture belongs to lives somewhere in N.America, and wasn't even anywhere near a airport, plane, NYC that day.

If 11 of the 13 "Hijackers" were confirmed by the CIA to actually be alive after a intern report, but not publically published, it does raise suspicions as to who actually was on the planes that day.


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posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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posted by Redneck from Hell

You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........


FAITH!! The duhbunkers and government loyalists and shills trust that their government god would never lie to them about criminal evidence.

The Satam al-Suqami paper passport was allegedly found by a stranger and handed to a NYPD detective who of course neglected to get the stranger's name and address.

But of course there is no chance it was a 9-11 perp handing over the unblemished paper passport is there?

But the duhbunkers and government loyalists and shills all believe this is a perfectly normal way to gather criminal evidence from complete strangers, and would never suspect an unsinged unburned not even smudged paper passport which just survived an explosive fireball supposedly inside the pocket of an alleged hijacker inside the fuselage of a burning aircraft.

Isn't FAITH just grand? Aren't 9-11 MIRACLES just wonderful?



Larger version

Passport exterior cover



It is reported that the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami has been found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, says police and FBI found it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission later claims it was actually discovered by a passerby and given to an NYPD detective, “shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.”

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posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........


Actually, the passport was not found in the rubble, it was found by an unidentified person and turned over to a NYPD detective a block or so from the WTC before the towers collapsed. Its in the 9/11 Commision Report.

It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........


I'm neutral, nobody has proven anything on either side as far as i'm concerned but lets get one thing clear, it is for he with the allegation to make to prove it.

So you prove what you believe.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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posted by hooper

It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.



And there we have a testimony of FAITH from a devoted believer.

Right on schedule.




posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........



...and some foreign country hit duplicate lottery numbers in consecutive drawings a couple days ago.

That passport can be explained by a million theories but only one is correct. Plant.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........


Actually, the passport was not found in the rubble, it was found by an unidentified person and turned over to a NYPD detective a block or so from the WTC before the towers collapsed. _javascript:bold()Its in the 9/11 Commision Report.

It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.



Still doesn't explain why he was subsequently found to be alive and living and had been nowhere near NYC does it? Unless you are going to try and say that he also somehow managed to survive slamming himself into the side of the WTC?



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston

posted by hooper

It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.



And there we have a testimony of FAITH from a devoted believer.

Right on schedule.




Prove it wrong by a means other than declaring everybody that works for the government in any capacity is a liar and a murderer. In fact, which is more likely - the passport survived and was found or everyone in all levels of government is capable of being a cold blooded murderer?



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hazelnut

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........



...and some foreign country hit duplicate lottery numbers in consecutive drawings a couple days ago.

That passport can be explained by a million theories but only one is correct. Plant.


And you know this how?



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Hazelnut

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........



...and some foreign country hit duplicate lottery numbers in consecutive drawings a couple days ago.


Thus proving that low probability random events, such as consecutive lottery draws and passports surviving, does occassionally happen.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by john124]



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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Greetings All ~

A simple look into the not to distant past will reveal many oddties when it comes to plane crashes and what remains.

9/11 was no different. Wedding rings were found, credit cards, some pictures, etc.

I was reading on another thread here about a crash. Flight 1771. The man worked for the airlines and was fired for stealing money. Hey wrote a sucide note on an air-sickness bag. Low and behold, this note was found by the search and rescue workers.


Using his USAir credentials, Burke, armed with a loaded .44 Magnum revolver that he had borrowed from a co-worker, was able to bypass the security checkpoint at Los Angeles International Airport. After boarding the plane, Burke wrote a message on an air-sickness bag. The note read:

Hi Ray. I think it's sort of ironical that we ended up like this. I asked for some leniency for my family. Remember? Well, I got none and you'll get none


en.wikipedia.org...

I hope this helps for both sides involved in this thread. Have a great day.



[edit on 22-9-2009 by ImAPepper]



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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posted by hooper

Prove it wrong by a means other than declaring everybody that works for the government in any capacity is a liar and a murderer. In fact, which is more likely - the passport survived and was found or everyone in all levels of government is capable of being a cold blooded murderer?



Since we are on the subject of the Satam al-Suqami paper passport allegedly found in the rubble of the WTC, let's stick to that subject ok?

There is only one person who needs to be accused of duplicity and that is the stranger (passer-by) who allegedly found the unblemished paper passport and allegedly handed it to a NYPD detective. Correct?

Can you guarantee that this person was not planting evidence?

Have you identified this passerby? No?

Neither has anybody else have they? So according to US legal jurisprudence; the trail of evidence and the trail of custody of this paper passport is suspect isn't it and disqualified as evidence in a US courtroom?

Can you prove differently?

There is good evidence that some of the alleged hijackers had stolen identities and therefore fake passports. Some have claimed to be alive. Not one hijacker from Flights 11 and 175 has been officially identified by DNA.

Therefore we have good reason to suspect the paper passport of Satam al-Suqami was planted, especially sence it was not damaged by the fireball it was allegedly inside, and especially since it was supposedly inside the pocket of a supposedly crushed man allegedly trapped inside the burning fuselage of an aircraft inside the fireball 96 floors above the street.

I do not accept such nonsense as this discovered passport. Why do you?



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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hate to break it to you, but a piece of paper surviving an explosion like the one at the trade centers is physically impossible. The passport was, like everything else on 9-11, planted evidence.


Originally posted by john124

Originally posted by Hazelnut

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.

Without much of a scratch........



...and some foreign country hit duplicate lottery numbers in consecutive drawings a couple days ago.


Thus proving that low probability random events, such as consecutive lottery draws and passports surviving, does occassionally happen.


false analogy

It is possible to win the lottery, but it is impossible for a piece of paper to survive a blazing inferno. There is absolutely ZERO chance that the passport came from that plane.

[edit on 9/22/2009 by JPhish]



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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This is how I explain it



[edit on 22-9-2009 by waypastvne]



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 07:32 PM
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Except, that, it was a mistake. The passport that was found, wasnt the guy that was living in New York. Similar name, not the same guy.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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is possible to win the lottery, but it is impossible for a piece of paper to survive a blazing inferno. There is absolutely ZERO chance that the passport came from that plane.


Really? Then click on these links....


www.astroblogs.nl...

www.cbsnews.com...

The first one, is a picture of a badly torn piece of paper from the notebook of Ilan Ramon.

The second one, links to a flight deck video of the Space Shuttle Columbia.

These items were among the items recovered from the wreckage of Columbia. They survived the fiery hell which consumed Columbia and her crew.


And you think the passport that was found in the wreckage of the airliner that hit the WTC is proof of the "inside job"

Pathetic



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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Except, that, it was a mistake. The passport that was found, wasnt the guy that was living in New York. Similar name, not the same guy.



Dontcha just love how the perp payrollees cherry-pick their responses and ignore certain aspects of the fairy tale they know has no logical explantion.

hey swampi, how much did you get paid for that contribution?



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