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NAVY and NASA - The REAL "Chemtrails"

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posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 01:45 PM

Originally posted by zorgon

From the horses mouth

No, they use it to monitor climate change

Edit: that's already been pointed out - making this post redundant ...... Sorry

[edit on 27-9-2009 by Essan]

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Essan
No, they use it to monitor climate change

Yeah they use the OTH to monitor the changes made by HAARP

So what did they do with those antennas in your area? I find lots of references but can't even find and old history picture

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by zorgon

So what did they do with those antennas in your area? I find lots of references but can't even find and old history picture

Well the place near me (Defford) seems to have been used, in conjunction with research at Malvern, to develop the radar that heped us win WWII and afterwards had some involvement in satellite communciations.

Some info here:

I don't know about the site near Aberwstwyth.

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 06:27 PM
Keep chattering away, you still can't do anything about it.

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 10:03 PM
reply to post by JackWestJr

says you.
why do you bother with such non-responses?
don't you know loose lips sink ships?

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 11:17 PM
really! Noooo,

By all means you better all continue then quick smart.

posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 11:56 PM

Originally posted by JackWestJr
Keep chattering away, you still can't do anything about it.

Well the Russians have a solution

posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 12:54 AM
By George I think you have an answer there, well done, good research

posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by neformore

I apologise if you feel I have dodged and truthfully I can say that the guy I mentioned did not mention the exact purposes of the JORN network which is so commonly rammed down throats as only being used as OTHR.

He gave me 100% proof that it has other purposes and that is all I needed to know

What's great is that from relaying a few tiny bits of info here I found something else which backs it up and opens another area to look into

If only I could find out what Boeing are really up to downunder I might sniff more a trail...maybe next years AFL Grand Final in Adelaide?

posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 09:54 PM
After reading the whole thread in one sitting, I decided to post, although I was reconsidering whether I should post anything or not...

First of all, let me say that this is not attack on anyone personally, just my observations in general. Also, I am not taking sides - I have just chosen to post about one "side" as I'm trying to understand their reasoning. Mods, if it seems off-topic, I'm sorry, please move it elsewhere then.

When reading the posts from the so-called "debunkers" I am wondering, why are you even here, in this thread, or forum for that matter?

This forum is titled "General Conspiracy Discussion" which by its name to me implies the polar opposite of what you debunkers believe in, else you would not be "debunkers" but "believers", in conspiracies.

If the forum was titled "Generally Accepted Beliefs" (note that word Beliefs) I would understand the zeal with which some of the posts you make here. And these debunking attempts are truly pathetic. Using Wikipedia most of the time as a reference, even when they were caught time and time again censoring and/or "adjusting" the information is just pitiful.

Also, lining up the posts with names, or links to papers, of so and so PhD from various institutions or governments, as credible proof/evidence for anything is also pathetic. To begin with, you do not know those people you are quoting from. And even if you did, you do not know what their values are (were), what kind of credibility, honesty, integrity or human character they possess(ed).

Literally you are taking what someone said for granted and regurgitating it here as a gospel, while at the same time accusing the OP of collusion. So how does that make it true, a fact, an axiom? Because you and others who agree with them believe it to be true - it makes it an acceptable reality? Dare I say a "scientific" fact?

Granted, everyone is allowed to post anywhere they like, but why persist? Why not just go elsewhere you will get some "return on investment" of your energy that you put into the whole effort. Really, what other gratification is there for you, a star or a notion you won a debate (in your mind at least)?

Otherwise, at least to me, what you do looks just like the religious fanatics who go around trying to convert the rest of the World to their belief system and take special effort on hard to win cases. They just keep carrying on and on, like a broken record, not realizing they should've stopped long ago.

Well anyways, I think you get my's just my opinion - you really can't take it to the bank.

posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:45 PM
reply to post by amigo

awesome post.
you've hit one of the nails on the head.

hit it harder next time, and maybe it will go away.

posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:00 AM
Dang it put this in the wrong thread....

Here is a document that shows the real purpose of those metal dust clouds... and its NOT to make pretty Noctilucent clouds

Originally posted by Phage

Well nice research BUT... you keep showing us the scientific uses of HAARP and similar projects... and as such you use CIVILIAN references...

In FY 2008: Continue coupling of radiation belt model to global geospace environment models to increase accuracy and lead time. Validate models for ionospheric penetration by very low frequency (VLF) electromagnetic waves and their injection into the magnetosphere....

In FY 2009: Continue measurement of interplanetary magnetic fields using wide-field radio array. Complete Spiral 1 magnetic reconnection model to study solar flare initiation and energy storage. Continue program to test and
evaluate empirical flare prediction models based on synoptic data from Air Force and national observatory assets. Complete coupling of radiation belt model to global geospace environment models to increase accuracy and lead time. Utilize three-dimensional global radiation belt diffusion models to simulate ultimate global effect of wave-particle interactions from VLF electromagnetic wave power injected in narrow altitude slices of radiation belts. Validate models for virtual VLF electromagnetic wave generation in the ionosphere and global transport and power

In FY 2008: Use satellite tracking test bed and Air Force Maui Optical and Supercomputing tracking telescopes to demonstrate Space Situational Awareness (SSA) capability of HT sensors and validate the utility of this
technique to obtain operational and health status of resident space objects

Use of the metal oxide clouds and HAARP

Real purpose... MILITARY communications and early warning missile shield

In FY 2007: Performed metric tests of C/NOFS scintillation forecasting system. Integrated C/NOFS results into ionospheric specification and forecasting algorithms and models for enhanced military utility of scintillation warning system. Investigated coupled solar-magnetospheric-ionospheric-thermospheric models to improve forecast lead times for radar operations, and communications/navigation outages. Developed portable ionospheric sensor suite for measuring total electron content and communications/navigation scintillation

In FY 2008: Expand high-latitude data collection to initiate a high-latitude scintillation warning system. Investigate the impact of convection of scintillations to higher latitudes on Ultra High Frequency communication and Global Positioning System (GPS) navigation systems. Investigate HF induced artificial scintillation generation using the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP). Develop portable ionospheric sensor suite for
measuring total electron content and communications/navigation scintillation. Initiate space radar data collection for ionosphere compensation study. Develop scintillation mitigation technology by using metal-oxide space cloud. Develop techniques of analyzing GPS radio occultation data acquired by C/NOFS and Constellation Observing System for Meteorology, Ionosphere and Climate (COSMIC) satellites Begin incorporation of Kalman filter ionospheric model into forecast models and ionospheric warfighter impact products. Conduct statistical analysis of
neutral density to improve accuracy of empirical neutral density models for specifying and forecasting neutral density during geomagnetic storms. Implement algorithm to assess impacts of penetration electric fields on generation of equatorial irregularities.

In FY 2009: Investigate solar activity on enhancement of L-band scintillations to assess the support of the scintillation database and tools to military communication and navigation systems. Measure total electron content and scintillations over the African subcontinent for better defining the equatorial scintillation and GPS error environment in the middle-eastern region. Demonstrate scintillation mitigation technology using metal-oxide space cloud. Deliver ionospheric compensation technique with wide-band radio-frequency waves. Improve modeling techniques for specifying high temporal resolution of neutral density and satellite drag to achieve predictive space situation awareness. Improve empirical and neutral density model based on Atmospheric Density Specification experiment data and develop physics-based model of the neutral composition, wind, and density. Continue transition of physics-based 3-D model of equatorial plasma bubbles into warfighter products and transition of ionospheric Kalman filter operational models into equatorial models.

Equatorial plasma bubbles to be uses as warfighter products

MAJOR THRUST: Develop High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program site transmitting and diagnostic
instrument infrastructure.
9.596 9.070 9.841

In FY 2007: Validated performance of 3.6 megawatt transmitting array in Extremely Low Frequency/Very Low Frequency (ELF/VLF) wave generation and optical emissions research programs.

In FY 2008: Conduct experimental research with the 3.6 megawatt transmitting array to develop techniques to increase the efficiency of ELF/VLF wave generated in space and initiate research to characterize their interactions with charged particles in the earth's radiation belts.

In FY 2009: Continue research to characterize wave-particle interactions and wave amplification effects in space and their potential application to mitigate charged particle effects on space systems and operations.

MAJOR THRUST: Develop basic seismic technologies to support national requirements for monitoring nuclear explosions with special focus on regional distances less than 2,000 kilometers from the sensors. 7.099 6.777 6.784

In FY 2007: Updated seismic codes for operational use. Developed hypothesis test results into potential discrimination and yield estimation techniques, while addressing unresolved hypothesis issues for seismic energy
partition, magnitudes, and source physics. Incorporated seismic energy partition effects into implications for local and regional seismic wave propagation. Developed efforts on seismic calibration; seismic detection, location, and discrimination; and observational studies of seismic wave propagation, including propagation in Eurasia. Assessed
future directions based on results obtained so far.

High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. 3.142 3.180 0.000
In FY 2007: Conducted Congressionally-directed effort for HAARP.
In FY 2008: Conduct Congressionally-directed effort for HAARP.

Got about 50 plus more military uses of HAARP documents that you won't find on wikipedia

[edit on 1-10-2009 by zorgon]

posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:46 AM
reply to post by amigo

Great post. Star for that.

I also can't stand it when people use Wikipedia as a source. They can easily go in there, add what they want, then come back here to post their "proof". Any time I see someone point to Wikipedia I just stop reading their post.

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 12:51 PM
Need more proof?


4 Outline of possible new (non-traditional) uses of the new radar
The objective of this item is to evaluate the feasibility of different “unusual” applications of the new radar based on the results of the literature search. The applications and brief preliminary conclusions are as follows:
• Artificial ionospheric targets. Possibly new applications of ionospheric releases of small particles fabricated using modern nanotechnology methods that may induce very large radar cross-sections to ISR in the ionospheric environment.
Experiments involving artificial ionospheric injections of different materials were conducted in the 1980’s. For example, Millstone Hill 440-MHz ISR was used to observe the spatial and temporal development of heavy negative ion plasma clouds created during four active chemical release experiments: the Ionospheric Modification Study (IMS) in 1983, the Space-Plasma Negative Ion Experiments (SPINEX 1 and 2) in 1984 and 1986, and NICARE 1 in 1989 (Sultan et al., 1992). The METAL campaign (Kirkwood and Vonzahn, 1993) was a multi-instrument campaign conducted in 1991 that was designed to investigate the relationship between neutral and ionized metallic layers in the high-latitude lower ionosphere. Measurements included electron density profiles and electric fields from the EISCAT UHF radar, ionosonde measurements of E(s) layers, neutral Fe profiles from lidar, rocket observations of winds (by chaff releases), and measurements of plasma density and ion composition (by mass spectrometer). The Arecibo incoherent scatter radar was used to observe enhanced ion acoustic and Langmuir wave turbulence after the release of 30 kg of CF3Br into the F region at 285 km (Bernhardt et al., 1995). In July 1992, as part of the NASA Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite (CRRES) El Coqui rocket campaign, the AA 2 experiment was performed. Its purpose was to study the interaction between a powerful radio wave and a high ion mass (Ba+) ''collisionless'' plasma. Approximately 35 kg of Ba were explosively released near the center of the Arecibo high-frequency heater beam at 253 km altitude (Djuth et al., 1995). Barium cloud releases were studied by Sridharan et al., 1997. Among other materials used for active experiments the following can be mentioned: metallic needles (Goldstein et al., 1998), CO2 (released near Millstone Hill ISR, Semeter et al., 1996), trimethyl aluminum (Roper, 1996).

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 01:07 PM
reply to post by Somamech

Oooo. Good find.
That has quote has been provided previously in this thread and several times in others.

Proof of what? Has anyone denied that various substances have been released in the ionosphere in order to study it? What's the big "aha!" here?

[edit on 10/3/2009 by Phage]

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by Phage

Thanks for 'Clarifying the Obvious'

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 08:10 PM
For what it's worth...I KNOW there is some legitimacy in regard to Zorgon's post titled "NAVY and NASA The REAL chemtrails". I've taken part in live tests of the things depicted in the illustrations provided. I KNOW the NAVY, NASA, FAA, Naval Intel. & CIA are all involved. I KNOW the FAA has lied about it. I know that whatever they're doing is pretty damn important too, as they followed me around for years keeping tabs on me.

Thnx, Have a nice day.

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 08:50 PM
Operation Cloverleaf, Operation Cloverleaf, Operation Cloverleaf!

Funny how when you post something directly relevant, it gets put down,
covered in disinfo, ignored and the poster labeled as ignorant, etc.

THAT right there makes it highly suspicious and says to me
we're probably on to something!

We are probably all being looked after, cared about,
and never poisoned, brainwashed or anything like that.

I am sure we will all get bailed out too when we screw up!
(with our own money of course)
You know, because they really do care about us and would never do
anything to harm us or anything like that. Ya,
They would never allow the corporations to take over, would they?
They wouldn't really give all our kids' money to their crony buddies, would they? They would not send the country into a tailspin would they?
Hmmmm.....nah. Its all good and safe and stuff. Ya.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by dodadoom]

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 08:56 PM
reply to post by nobodyinparticular

Thanks for the post but you will probably be labeled now.
We will stop at nothing to keep it hush hush.
Billions talk, bs walks.

If we knew of only half the stuff that goes on, we would be shocked.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by dodadoom]

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 09:22 PM
reply to post by dodadoom

They can label me whatever they want. That is the very least of my concerns. I know what I know. I'm just trying to tell the truth. Not that I know so much about it, I just have the somewhat unique experiences that confirm, at least, part of it.

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