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i hope humanity can swerve to have the free spirits on top the men with the stomach to move humanity forward and we may lose freedom in the process but if it provided answers, to achieve the goal of all philosophers to achieve truth to find the answers and deliver them to the world, it is once again another utopia that we can dream of.
Originally posted by dooper
The primary fallacy in Hitler's concept was in breeding.
Anyone who's been around animals knows that often, the more pure a strain, the more problems they have.
In a Lewinite brainwashing group, a number of individuals from varying backgrounds and personalities, are manipulated by a "group leader" to form a "consensus" of opinion, achieving a new "group identity." The key to the process is the creation of a controlled environment, in which stress is introduced (sometimes called dissonance) to crack an individual's belief structure. Using the peer pressure of other group members, the individual is "cracked," and a new personality emerges with new values. The degrading experience causes the person to deny that any change has taken place. In that way, an individual is brainwashed without the victim knowing what has taken place. - Excerpted from Tavistock:
The Best Kept Secret in America by Dr. Byron T. Weeks, MD
From the mid-1950s onward, NTL put the majority of the nation's corporate leaderships through such brainwashing programs, while running similar programs for the State Department, the Navy, the Department of Education, and other sections of the federal bureaucracy. There is no firm estimate of the number of Americans who have been put through this process in last 40 years at either NTL, or as it is now known the NTL Institute for Applied Behavioral Sciences, which is based in Rosslyn, Virginia, or its West Coast base of operations, the Western Training Laboratories in Group Development, or in various satellite institutions. The most reliable estimate is in the several millions. - Excerpted from Tavistock: The Best Kept Secret in America by Dr. Byron T. Weeks, MD
Originally posted by VitalOverdose
But to be fair .. if you were going to try to take over the world by force it probably would be a good idea to try kill all the Jews.
[edit on 22-9-2009 by VitalOverdose]
Originally posted by Lasheic
reply to post by burdman30ott6
If it's not much of a bother, would you extract any criticism pertaining to my posts specifically? The OP and I both discussed issues of moralistic relativism and the Übermensch, but we came to rather different conclusions. However, in order to address specific criticisms of the claims, I had to first explain (to the best of my ability) what the philosophy states and their implications as I saw it.
I did not intend for it to be a justification or endorsement of them.
One statement I'm fairly sure you were directing in response to me was the following:
I would also argue strongly that our morals are the cornerstone of any advancement in human development and are the primary indication that we have embraced a higher level of thought in the first place. Your idea that we remove our morals from the equation when answering the OP's question basically proves that you have answered your own question before even posing it, and the response you got was "No, Hitler was not right."
Originally posted by Beausant91
i'm asking the question that if we get rid of our herd mentality and our morals is giving the few "Supermen" the space to thrive such a bad thing getting humanity out of mediocraty so the species can evolve faster and with better results