The Reason For The Existence Of Life - What Are Your Views, page 1
Pages: <<  1    2  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 3 times
Topic started on 21-9-2009 @ 06:56 AM by LightFantastic
This is an age old question. Why are 'We' and the rest of known life here? What purpose does it all serve?

There is a measure of information called Entropy which quantifies the amount of information needed to describe a system. This is central to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy is always increasing, meaning everything is getting less and less ordered.

As a system the Universe and everything in it wants to get to the lowest possible energy state as fast a possible. All the energy 'wants' to be converted and spread thoughout the universe until the universe consists of a thin, cold, homogenous soup spread throughout. (A poor description I know!)

Anyway, life temporarily bucks the increasing entropy trend by converting energy and using this energy to increase order, creating ever more complex life forms. This life then converts more energy, speeding up the entropy of the Universe as a whole. Life then spreads to fill every possible niche and it looks like we are just starting on spreading life to everywhere else possible in the Universe.

There are many examples of non-living systems producing tempory complexity to achieve the lowest energy state but none are as effective as life.

With this in mind, it is likely that the whole Universe is teeming with life, busily converting energy as it goes.

So what I have just poorly described is my take on the Reason For Life. Life is a by-product of entropy, which increases the total entropy of the Universe. I can't think of a better reason.

What are your views?


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:22 PM by plumranch
reply to post by LightFantastic




Why are 'We' and the rest of known life here? What purpose does it all serve?


Life is beautiful and we as soles are here to observe, appreciate and learn about life.

Here on earth we learn that life can be used in a negative way to tear down and generally make a mess of things. Or life can be beautiful and can be used beneficially. It's really all about soles, most of us are freshmen and just learning how to experience and appreciate life.

There is nothing here by accident, it is all a part of the overall. We can use it as we see fit but generally it is simply here to teach us to enjoy and appreciate life.


reply posted on 22-9-2009 @ 05:59 AM by Twisted-Inside-Out
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Originally posted by Twisted-Inside-Out
Why is there life? To me that's a silly question, I mean what other possibility do you think there is? No life? That's just illogical. No life = no point.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out


It's far from a silly question. It's one of the biggest and most valid questions there is. I can only imagine you must imagine yourself a genius to be so condescending towards the OP. But then again, after reading your simplistic answer, it appears you are not!

Poor form!

IRM


You misunderstand me. To me it is a silly question, to someone else, it's up to them if it's silly or not. There is no objective silliness, anywhere, ever.

You say I was condescending to the OP. Again you misunderstood. I did not call the OP silly, or his question silly I can only describe MY perspective, which no one has any business being offended/condescended by.

Believe it or not InfraRedMan, one day you just may KNOW the truth (of self) beyond all doubt. You seem to scoff at my simplistic answer. Well, that answer was an unsimplified version. The true simplicity of the truth is mind bogglingly ridiculous. The simplicity of the truth gives it a level of difficulty to rival that of understanding something of infinite difficulty.

There is only one problem with knowing, and it's a big one. You can't tell anyone, it's just not possible, because it's not something that is "told" or "conveyed" from one person to another.

I apologize for sounding condescending, I understand that I do tend to come across that way, but I never intend it. Like I said, no one has any business being offended by my perspective (but that's just MY perspective).

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out


reply posted on 22-9-2009 @ 07:48 AM by Twisted-Inside-Out
reply to post by LightFantastic


You can take no wrong turn in life. What you are doing you came here to do. The reason people ask about life's meaning is that they feel they are disconnected from it, that maybe they are doing the wrong thing with life and if one knew the meaning they could correct it.

Do what you want to do, do not do what you don't want to do. YOU are the reason. YOU are the meaning.

EDIT: BTW if one is truly on a path to truth and meaning DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR DREAMS. One could be called lost without them.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

[edit on 22/9/09 by Twisted-Inside-Out]

[edit on 22/9/09 by Twisted-Inside-Out]


reply posted on 22-9-2009 @ 08:04 AM by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Twisted-Inside-Out


No probs... but if you know the answer is a simplistic one, I'd like you to lay it all out on the table for the OP. That should prove an easy task for you! Connect these apparent irrefutable dots!

IRM


reply posted on 22-9-2009 @ 08:37 AM by Twisted-Inside-Out
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Twisted-Inside-Out


No probs... but if you know the answer is a simplistic one, I'd like you to lay it all out on the table for the OP. That should prove an easy task for you! Connect these apparent irrefutable dots!

IRM


Are you kidding? EASY? There's no way I could even begin! Infinite simplicity is as difficult as something infinitely difficult, it is still infinite. The only difference is as something infinitely difficult can never be understood no matter how much energy goes into trying, that which is infinitely simple can never NOT be understood, by anyone or anything. It's just a matter of realizing that you already know/are the truth. The answer is simplistic, but an explanation of such simplicity would be massively complex. Much too hard for me twist into words of english (which the truth is not).

However, it was due to lengthy meditations and communions with my higher self and a massive kundalini awakening (which hugely expanded my consciousness) that I realised all I did and was able to comprehend infinity (infinite simplicity).

Now I must apologise again for what I am about to say is probably going to sound condescending again, that's not my intention, but it is the only way I can say it. The fact that you say "if it's so simple lay it all out on the table" just goes to show how far from understanding you are, that is ridiculous and can never be done.

I understand that I may have sound too condescending in that last part to be easily forgiven for it. Therefore I will graciously accept WHATEVER words you deem me to deserve for it.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out


reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 09:04 PM by John Matrix
reply to post by LightFantastic


Thank you for the opportunity to speculate a little about why we might be here.

We might be here as a result of punishment and for rehabilitation.
What if the earth is the only planet that can support physical life and the rest of the Universe is completely dead?
What if the earth was not originally created as a physical planet but was created as a paradise in the spiritual realm?
What if mankind was also originally created as a spirit being to occupy the spiritual paradise?
What if mankind really did rebel against God and this entire physical realm is but a weak out birth of the original spiritual paradise?
So what if, at the appointed time, those who have repented and have accepted rehabilitation are raptured, given new spiritual bodies, and reinstated to our first created state?
What if God is so kind and gracious that he offers those left behind another chance at accepting the rehabilitation(repentance and forgiveness of sins).
And, what if we are then given the wondrous task of restoring the earth to it's first created state(a spiritual paradise).

Just wondering.

I love these kinds of questions.


reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 10:01 PM by TarzanBeta
reply to post by LightFantastic


And to what end does the universe require to be a thin, cold homogenous soup?

I understand that rest is fun, but only for so long. Eventually, you get fat and smelly. And you know too many TV land lines. Though, this is a side effect of life, so maybe this too is a reason for life! But it's not the only reason. I love to play music. If you play a guitar, the energy from the sun and the nutrients and the water on the earth flow and grow into micro-organisms and plant-life which are consumed by animal-life and us creators eat plant-life and animal-life and those nutrients that we take in energize our bodies and our metabolism requires that we burn this energy to be a perfect conduit and the way in which we allow this energy to flow through us is by using our motor skills and in turn while I use my body and more specifically my arm and hand to strum the strings of the guitar, I am sending energy through the strings which causes them to vibrate and the vibrations break the air and cause sounds and those sounds bounce around in the chamber of the guitar and cause the wood to vibrate (some of those vibrations come directly from the strings) and this alters the sound by absorbing some energy which goes back into the body and the rest is translated back into the air by causing all the air particles to vibrate in sync with these energy waves and these energy waves fly away from the guitar and bounce off of everything, while everything absorbs this energy (which causes microscopic fractures and/or fixes other microscopic fractures in matter) ---- and I could keep on going, but this wave energy that travels through the air particles that formerly came from the sun and the nutrients and the water end up in my ear and vibrate my ear drum which sends these signals to the brain which translates the vibration language (which I'd like to establish and decode someday) and then processes it and then sends it back to the ear drum and they form a link and voila! Miraculously I hear the sweet sound of, "Mary had a little lamb". All because the sun and the nutrients and the water of the earth.

And you're telling me that this GENIUS INCEPTION IS ENTROPY?!

I'd explain the lengthy process of the energy of a "slap", but I think you get the point.
Pages: <<  1    2  >>    ^^TOP^^



EVOLUTION - Did YOU Know?
  Posted 17 days ago with 24 member flags
"I was raised an atheist"- Professor František Vyskočil
  Posted 7 days ago with 6 member flags
Evolution. Not a theory, but a fact!
  Posted 19 days ago with 4 member flags
Evolutionary theory: Gaps and not yet understood phenonemon
  Posted 19 days ago with 3 member flags