UK Response to Terrorism Threat

Like the US, the UK suddenly has a whole new raft of laws that drastically reduce our privacy and freedom, brought in under the guise of "Anti-Terror" laws.

Before the threat from the Islamic Extremists we lived for a long time under constant attack from the IRA. As far as I am aware (unresearched), the only new laws instilled to combat the IRA were that the police were allowed to hold suspects for longer and tap telephones after obtaining a warrant from a Judge.

What is the real reason for the drastic erosion of our rights? We can't even demonstrate properly in the UK any more.

We have more CCTV cameras per head than China:

Revealed: Big Brother Britain has more CCTV cameras than China

We use anti-terror laws to search children:


Two children 'searched by police'
Metropolitan police used anti-terror laws to stop and search 58 under-10s

We use anti-terror laws to spy on our citizens:

Anti-terrorism laws used to spy on noisy children
How local councils use anti-terror laws to spy on ordinary people
Council use anti-terror laws to spy on binmen accused of 'accepting strawberry pop bribe to take away trade waste'
Spy law 'used in dog fouling war'
Epsom and Ewell Council uses anti-terror powers to spy on residents

After it was revised, Police can arrest or fine people under the Public Order Act for anything at all!

Four-letter word spells £80 fine for student
Finalist Arrested For Calling Police Horse 'Gay'
Stallholders fined for offensive Blair T-shirts

The only threat to this country is the people that are controlling it. We're all terrorists and criminals in their eyes! They want to control us and introduce their New World Order.

If you ask me, America is a distraction away from the real power of the world, the City of London.

And "they" are allowed to look through your computer without a warrant, as long as "they" think "they" can prosecute for an offence worth 3 years in jail

"they" being the Police, GCHQ and the security services

www.timesonline.co.uk...





[edit on 21-9-2009 by Pockets]

Originally posted by Nammu

Thanks for the excellent set of links. I had to laugh at the "insulting a police horse" arrest It is typical of the backwards place this country has become.

How have we let our country get this way? Why hasn't Joe Public noticed?

Can we now call our country a Totalitarian State?


[edit on 21/9/2009 by LightFantastic]

reply to post by LightFantastic

Can we now call our country a Totalitarian State?

Simple answer, no, not yet

And that leaves out the other little loop holes that sneak their way in.. like Bouncers and hospital staff being given the power to Fine ... which marries in with the 60,000 brown shirts raised to deal with terror attacks ( source )

This country is slipping down a very slippery slope..

There is only one thing these "terror laws" do that's allow police to terrorize citizens

Two officers carried out a stop and search on a man, 43, his daughter, 11, and another child, six, near Woolwich Arsenal station, the man said.
The officers also took his mobile phones, USB stick and a CD, he added.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating the "worrying" allegation.
The man said that during the search the plain clothes officers ordered him to stand in front of a CCTV camera to have his photograph taken.
They did not tell him when or how he could have his items returned, he added.
'Particularly worrying'

wake up sheeple

Originally posted by LightFantastic

Originally posted by Nammu

How have we let our country get this way? Why hasn't Joe Public noticed?

Because majority of the population is too lazy to do anything. Or too lazy to care.

Can we now call our country a Totalitarian State?

Not quite yet, but we're heading that way! Compulsary ID cards is the next big step.

No2ID

Originally posted by Nammu

Because majority of the population is too lazy to do anything. Or too lazy to care.

The people in power have always been pretty good at diverting attention. A war? Pretty good. Pandemic? Even better..they can't be blamed as easy for that one.

As long as Joe public is scared enough on one hand to not ask too many questions, and comfortable enough on the other with mind numbing television - nothing is going to change.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
What is the real reason for the drastic erosion of our rights? We can't even demonstrate properly in the UK any more.

And there you have it.

Under new laws, any person who holds and opinion against the government can be called a "terrorist"

Just look at the protest groups, legal, peaceful groups, who have been monitored and infiltrated, and in some cases members arrested, due to the "threat" they represent.

The G20 protests in London showed all too well exactly why they have these powers. Did you see the story of the young protesters who had their home raided just before it? The Police were on camera stating that they had seized "political material".
Suddenly having and interest in politics, especially if you are a protester, is illegal or cause for arrest?
That was a severely worrying moment IMO.

In reality, the only threat they represent is to the government, an opposing voice of reason and intelligence against an increasingly fascist power.

All governments fear their people, but not currently as much as they should. And now the government have an excuse to destroy opposition and silence dissent. Thereby minimising and controlling their imagined enemy.

It will come to a point one day, and possibly at the next large protest in London (new Tax anyone?).
That's when we'll likely see the true nature of the UK government and Police in the face of real dissent.

Originally posted by Nammu


Not quite yet, but we're heading that way! Compulsary ID cards is the next big step.

No2ID

Maybe not, looks like the possibility of ID cards being scrapped as part of spending cuts is at least being talked about..

www.timesonline.co.uk...

www.metro.co.uk...

www.computerweekly.com...

hmmm, think I would rather have ID cards than a Tory government..

reply to post by slinkey10


And it should be the first thing to go!

It should never have been proposed in the first place.

It's bad enough that they're forcing ID through for various sectors without the promised benefits actually appearing.

Any time a person tells me how much good a national ID card would do I simply show them the model of the Security Industry Authority scheme. That is a scam, with no benefits for employees who have to pay for it.

Originally posted by detachedindividual


And it should be the first thing to go!

It should never have been proposed in the first place.

IMO the whole ID cards/more surveillance cameras fed into the whole terrorism threat that the Government/media have been pushing in the UK, not just the US...

:The US had 9/11

:The UK had 7/7

Both IMO BS...

Not to mention the evidence that suggests surveillance cameras don't actually reduce crime...

www.schneier.com...
www.thisislondon.co.uk...

Oh yeah, nearly forgot about the x-ray cameras.. remembered seeing this on the news ages ago. Just Google'd and found this article, its from 2007 though.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Think about it, if they had this in development back then, well I'm pretty sure its in use now, not sure how they would get around the privacy laws?!

But then the UK government can get around any law if it suits their needs.

The company who developed this camera are QinetiQ those of you who are unfamiliar with QinetiQ: en.wikipedia.org... ......

The UK is about 5 years from civil war. The moderate Muslims will have to choose sides, and when that happens: war in the streets of London.

Originally posted by bettermakings
The UK is about 5 years from civil war. The moderate Muslims will have to choose sides, and when that happens: war in the streets of London.

If that happens, it would much more likely be in the north-west than London, which is traditionally a very cosmopolitan city.

Burnley, Bradford, Oldham, maybe down to Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester.

Originally posted by bettermakings
The UK is about 5 years from civil war. The moderate Muslims will have to choose sides, and when that happens: war in the streets of London.

Any evidence to back up this claim?

I mean, other than the typical "THE MUSLIMS ARE STEALING OUR COUNTRY!" sentiment?

If there are problems in this country, I would suggest that it'll more likely be a class war, not a religious/race issue. Unless of course the EDL/BNP hybrid gets its way of course.
Personally, I think the majority of Brits are too intelligent to allow that to happen. The EDL are being shown for what they are, their numbers are not visibly increasing due to their violence on the streets recently. They are being vilified in the press at every opportunity.

As the financial crisis deepens, the public will see the divide for what it is. And that will inevitably lead to attacks on people of financial stature. We've already seen the public anger at what MP's are allowed to get away with, and I am surprised that it caused such little physical expression of anger. People were literally seething with rage every time an MP appeared in the press suggesting they'd acted "within the rules".