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Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Psychonaughty
I'm going to pick common sense and reality for $500 Alex.
Where does it say that we have a beginning before birth and a continuation after death? Certainly not from all the conflicting contradictory man made mythologies I would hope!
How much information is in the Human body if you broke it down into bits, as the way they do with computers, if that kind of thing can be answered at all? Taking into account the memory, processing speed, power supply, power distribution center, cognitive procedures, healing mechanisms, ect..... It seems it would be reasonable to think it would be in the thousands of trillions of bits of information, if not more. Possibly a lot more.
With the evolutionary process, seemingly slow, and giving a place for random mutation, putting the information into place. How long would it take to put together hundreds of trillions of bits of information together. If evolution through survival of the fittest, could produce 1000 bits of information within 1 year that would be quiet a bit of information for a slow change. Would you agree with that? If so, and that is the case it would take longer than the Earth has been around, Trillions of years or way more, to end up where we are today.
IMO that proves evolution wrong.
But proving evolution wrong does not prove that there is a God.
So what if evolution was right? Constantly evolving to ensure survival as our environment changes. Considering that our solar system, galaxy, and universe to be an environment also, we must include that into the equation. When our Sun explodes in about 1 to 10 billion years from now, assuming no other event has wiped out life before that, then evolving to an energy state to exist in environment of deep space might occur. As matter is the potential for energy, manipulation of matter would come into effect. So evolution to a god like state is one of the many probabilities which rests in evolution.
Now why I believe there is a God is because of personal experiences.
Most of the people who live the world believe in a higher being, so statistically speaking there is a greater probability that their is a higher being do to the fact of experiences. Experiences is what we use to understand the world, hence the word Experiments.
Oh and how do you separate the paragraphs and respond to each one the way you do. I would love to know how to do that.
And there is no one agreed upon theory to as how evolution works either. Its all a difference of opinion. Scientist disagree with how things work all the time. So I don't consider the differences of opinions of religious people to be proof that God does not exist.
Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by 30_seconds
That is because people believe that the One Infinite Creator is a seperate being when everything IS the One Infinite Creator, there is no seperate-ness....
My comment has often tended to be that the Creator is attempting to gain in knowledge and appreciation of Itself. The Creator wishes to know Itself. Thusly, it sends forth parts of Itself within illusion to see what will happen
and to learn from the colors created in the palette of emotions that you
have created through many experiences and incarnations.
Copy and paste, putting the copied text inside the quote tags.
Then why say God as if implying a singular deity? If we want to talk about statistics and numbers of personal experience, it has always been more common to have a personal experience of more than one deity implying that there is more than one God. I suppose statistically, polytheism would win out over all of monotheism both in numbers of personal experience and length of belief. So, again, why just believe in one almighty God?
Because we can't begin to understand the mind of God. I mean some people can't even conceive that he even exists, let alone know how or why he does what he does. We only know what he tells us. Yeah I realize that it is blind faith, but if there is noway one can explain it with what is available to us now, in terms of knowledge, then faith alone stands to reason.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Conclusion
Because we can't begin to understand the mind of God. I mean some people can't even conceive that he even exists, let alone know how or why he does what he does. We only know what he tells us. Yeah I realize that it is blind faith, but if there is noway one can explain it with what is available to us now, in terms of knowledge, then faith alone stands to reason.
That still doesn't make sense. Statistically there is more personal experience for more than one God. Polytheistic practice has been the most pronounced belief structure for the whole of humanity and is still practiced and personally experienced today. The sheer numbers of personal experience calling for more than one deity controlling reality should indicate that there should not be just one God who stands alone. Even statistically, these multitude of Gods tell their followers that they exist, that they control and create. We only have in existence one monotheistic faith that stands alone in all of history, by itself never to be repeated by personal experience of other religious faiths.
I understand we can't understand the mind of *a* God, but the sheer numbers alone dictating that there is more than one God should be ample proof alone that the concept of one God is less likely to be real. It could very well be that this monotheistic God was one of the trickster Gods that many religions speak of and that he has played yet another trick upon us for his enjoyment. It would make sense if we bring numbers and personal experience into the equation.