More Concessions? Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal, page 5

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist

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Russia already has thousands of more nukes then us.
second line.

reply to post by OmegaPoint

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it will make the nonproliferation treaty that much easier to enforce.

Really? How does that affect Israel (a non-signatory)?

How does it affect Iran (repudiated the NPT)?

How does it affect N. Korea (a non-signatory, that has reneged on multiple separate diplomatic promises regarding weapon and delivery system development and testing)?

How does it affect Pakistan (actively marketing nuclear and missile technology)?

"Enforce" away. It will make no difference to the biggest threats.

jw

reply to post by Sky watcher

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Without wanting to throw an off topic response Gog - Magog reference in the Bible In Ezekiel is referenced to a non human adversary and a land or status quo that existed at the dawn of human civilization. Events are depicted and realized by the Bible (Both Old testament and later in the Apocalypse) )in a manner that is describing a full circle of events. Gog and Magog type of events will once reappear after the 1000 year rule of Christ. After all the major events by Apocalypse are completed and after the Kingdom of the Son of Man is established. Apocalypse makes a reference in Gog - Magog either because it is either needed to display a parallel of a similar situation that already happened once or because it states the true identities of this new threat against humanity in the future.
If we follow the Biblical claims and other ancient myths Gog - Magog are references for something other than human. Something different that used to exist and will once again according to the scripture interpretation will have to threaten humanity again in the future.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by spacebot]

reply to post by jdub297

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I did read the Op, thanks.

Could you post a quote from the article of Obama stating that he wants this proposal to eliminate all of our nuclear warheads?

Please, find one sentence in your article that says this proposal demands the disarmament of all nuclear warheads. I actually did read the OP, and if you had done more than a cursory glance and jumped to conclusions, you'd see that nothing in your article comes close to saying Obama is about to get rid of our nuclear arsenal.

The point of the article is to show that the US and Britain are serious about making strides towards nuclear disarmament. Obviously, if a consensus can't be reached with other nuclear powers, the US won't just dismantle its arsenal and hope for the best. Obama does want to completely end nuclear proliferation (which is a good thing), but with the caveat that other nations commit to doing the same.



Nothing in that article states that the US is anywhere near disarming 100% of its nuclear weapons unilaterally.

reply to post by centurion1211

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If the US even got rid of half its nukes, we would still have way more then anyone else.


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In fact, I don't think this graph shows how many the US and Russia really have, which I have seen reported as twice that much!

Yea, we can off a few with no repercussions.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by nixie_nox]

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by maybereal11

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maybe we should include the next few words in your excerpt...
....his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.

Last time I checked...Obama wasn't a European official.

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Living in willful ignorance doesn't make the bad things go away.
[edit on 21-9-2009 by jdub297]

By "living in willful ignorance" are you refering to the snarky post of yours that Obama stated in "Plain English" that it was his goal to abolish our nuclear arsenal?

Because "willful ignorance" to me would be making that claim when in fact the article clearly says that "European Officials" ...not Obama...said Obama's goal was to "abolish nuclear weapons"...not the just the US arsenal...which is among most world leaders goals, however unrealistic.

Mis-attributing qoutes, distorting context...par for the course in this partisan circus.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by maybereal11]

Russia General Says Missile Plan Not Shelved

www.nytimes.com...

ZURICH (Reuters) - Russia's top general said on Monday that plans to deploy missiles in an enclave next to Poland had not been shelved, despite a decision by the United States to rethink plans for missile defence in Europe.

When asked about the matter Monday, the chief of Russia's general staff, Nikolai Makarov, said: "There has been no such decision. It should be a political decision. It should be made by the president."

Freeman Dysons thoughts on Nuclear Weapons .



Worth a watch.



edit:to fix video embed

[edit on 21-9-2009 by UmbraSumus]

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