More Concessions? Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal

Why is America so arrogant

We went into Iraq because they supposely had WMD's

America has one of, if not the biggest arsenal of them on the planet but noone else can have them, Im sorry but this does not compute

I for one would like every country on the planet to have the same ammount ... noone will be dumb enough to use them because everyone knows if one is fired, all will be and game over for the human race.

A weapon is a tool in the hand of a madman; lets lock up all the madmen on the planet and it will become the tool it was designed for.

reply to post by buddhasystem

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You did not call me out on anything. Unless you know something that I don't. Do I think they are selling? Sure do. But looting would probably be a more appropriate term.

Do I trust the current administration to destroy billions of dollars and hundreds of years worth of research worth of nuclear stockpiles in the name of peace? No.

So you agree that there is a chance that using such a weapon could ignite such a war.

Why take the chance?

It's something we should try. I'm alarmed by the number of militarists who want more nuclear weapons or want to keep the number we have.

If you remember, several months ago, Obama stated that the government would not go against the Outer Space Treaty and would not try to develop weapons in space.

We need disarmament, people. The United States is not king of the world. We all live here. One country cannot enforce the policies of all the nations.

Nuclear weapons have to be cut drastically.

It is a stupid idea any way you look at it realistically. It excludes the use of biological weapons, for instance. Even a small country like Pakistan can make noise now that they have nuclear arms. Or a smaller country like Israel. I wonder if this is a part of the whole global agenda or something? Or it could be a ploy by the U.S. gov. to weaken its enemies. Either way, it is a heated contest of "who goes first" in disarming and for the sake of a nation (Russia, China, etc.), I would not trust this U.S. led idea. Perhaps, it is a part of centralizing global power to the U.N.?

[edit on 21-9-2009 by DevilJin]

I'm starting to believe the latter is the case.



Oh, I see, it gets even more interesting! It's looting now. Of course, you didn't provide a squat of evidence in that case, either. How about decommissioned nukes are secretly traded to Alpha Centauri to help them ward of the imminent attack from Zur? Because I'm pretty sure it's already happening. I haven't been living under the rock, you know

Well as long as we are going to "Deny Ignorance" maybe we should include the next few words in your excerpt...



Last time I checked...Obama wasn't a European official..

A little perspective:

The US built more than 70,000 nuclear warheads between 1945 & 1990 at a cost of 6 trillion dollars.

That is insane. Bigger insane spending have happened though. 6 trillion could have gone into space exploration or (whispers) to benefit the people.

reply to post by buddhasystem

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Please enlighten our Secretary of Defense.



www.thaindian.com...

Of course, this ignores the fact that even without sales of "finished product," nuclear materials and technology are trading hands.

Never heard of "Barksdale" or "A. Q. Khan?"


www.nytimes.com...

Even a simple 3-word search on Google will reveal 10 million hits for these stories and others. Even ATS has threads on this.

Most importantly, and back on topic, note that "START 1991" was negotiated under George H.W. Bush, and resulted in significantly reduced nuclear stockpiles and delivery systems!

You don't get results like that from capitulation and unilateral concessions.

Are YOU "under a rock?"

jw

We could have built 3 warheads for every nation on earth and had enough cash left over to install solar water heaters in every home in the US.

reply to post by Agit8dChop

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Bottom line is that many of the manufacturer's of Nuclear Weapons constitute the heart of the "Military industrial" complex that Eisenhower warned us about all those years ago.

While the United states currently has more Nuclear Weapons than any other country on the planet COMBINED...We have about 10,000 intact warheads, with about 6000 that remain active/operational.......even the most vigilant nations of the world have come to realize the glaringly obvious...

At some point...more is not better...it just costs you more money.

But hey whatever...It's Obama right...it doesn't matter what he does...let's slam him! Never mind that folks like GW significantly reduced our Nuclear Aresenal...those darn republican peacniks!!

reply to post by Mak Manto

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I agree that ANYTHING "could" happen. Monkeys could fly out your ... nevermind.

Posing such a hypothetical as "a country" and "a weapon" could "start [something]" is absolutely useless as a means of proof, or even a point of discussion.

These threads would be shorter and better if some members would just go back to their XBox or Wii, please, and let grownups talk about things they cannot comprehend.

jw

reply to post by buddhasystem

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You are trying to convince me that the Obama Administration is ready to scrap the most intelligent and wealthy nuclear program of our time.

Sorry, I do not buy it.

reply to post by Mak Manto

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Then you must just adore George Bush and the (Rebublican-led) 102nd Congress, who negotiated and ratified S.T.A.R.T. 1991 and drastically reduced nuclear warheads and delivery systems!

Smart.

jw

reply to post by maybereal11

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And no American MSM will put Obama in a bad light.

Some of the best reporting on Amercian policy comes from foreign officials and press

You won't hear negative reports about Obama if you choose not to listen.

Living in willful ignorance doesn't make the bad things go away.

jw

[edit on 21-9-2009 by jdub297]

And why not? This country and our people prospered in ways never seen before or since during the cold war. The constant, unending drive to outdo the USSR built the American middle class, just as concessionary bullcrap from Jimmy Carter-minded democrats destroyed the American middle class. Personally, I'd love a second cold war because it would mean we had a chance to recalim past glory and past prosperity... instead all I'm seeing are actions (like this one by Obama) which will destroy us further. A sad, sad, sad day further marking the saddest day in American history, Election Day 2008.

reply to post by suicydking

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A little more complete perspective:

Under START 1991, George H. W. Bush began drastic reductions of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. (Why do you think Russia had to dismantle the SS-23, and replace it with the Iskander SS-26? YOU DON'T KNOW, do you? Or just don't want to say it.)

jw

[edit on 21-9-2009 by jdub297]

You seem to be using words without regard to their meaning or the context.
We didn't capitulate and we didn't make concessions to any party.

Man you need to get your head out of well you know were so what if he doesnt know you dont know everything this is why we discuss to learn new things to increase our knowledge and yes he might not have known that quaint little fact but at least hes not being smarmy and arrogant about his "intelligence" more some general knowledge facts, I came on here to hopefully learn more of the situation from each of the different perspectives maybe you need to step back and try to help people futher themselves rather then hindering them to give yourself an ego boost

Apologies for the rant but i felt it necessary to point out

Best Wishes Beausant91