Can America Be Salvaged?

Why should I pay attention to the rantings of a man who
doesn't even know that America ISN'T a democracy? he
uses the word over and over as well as generalized
epithets that depict anyone white, southern and angry
as "confederate crackers for jesus", absolute morons
who cant do anything without instructions from FOX news
on how to do it.

Talk about racism! Who IS this guy? He uses the word
"cracker" over and over. Epithets don't pass for knowledge
in my lexicon, sorry. My suspicion is that this person is
probably anti 2nd amendment and thinks everyone who
lives outside the city is a country bumpkin. Since we have
made the "N"- word a capitol offense I say we outlaw the
use of the word cracker too (sorry keebler, dunno what to
call your flattened wheat products now).

I'm going to pretend I didn't read his offfensive inane
ranting about inane ranting and get my blood pressure
back down. America is salvageable - we just have to
agree to sustain constitutional government. Did he talk
about that? If not, throw it out - it stinks of propaganda.

There is a great line in the Mel Gibson movie, The Patriot, where his character at first refuses to fight against the British. He asks a town meeting, "Would you rather be ruled by one tyrant living 3000 miles away or by 3000 tyrants living one mile away?"

There is a grain of truth in that assessment as it applies to the subversion of constitutional processes and congress by thousands of special interests and their lobbyists.

Can America be salvaged? If it is salvaged by a great president, he will end up looking like Hugo Chavez to his enemies and he will have to know how to shoot. If it is salvaged by the people, they will have to relearn the art of civil disobediance practiced in the 1960s. Either way, it ain't gonna be pretty.

One question Americans should be asking themselves is "Why have we privatized the issuance and management of our own currency?" If a person reached for their wallet and found out they had to pay someone to actually take the money out and hand it to them, they would be outraged. The Fed hands your money to you.

Cut your expenses down America. Nationalize the Fed. They are taking too much of a rake off. What government department would allow its mandarins to treat the department like their own money making business?

How about the defence department or HUD? Check out Catherine Austin Fitts. Kick the shysters and crooks out of government.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by ipsedixit]

[edit on 21-9-2009 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by silent thunder

 

Now there are some words I can believe.

It has always just been the will of the people.

What "will"? People are lacking in basic education and manipulated through your mainstream TV. The ruling class just want to keep status quo because they are doing fine, and sadly they have all the tools to scare and lure people in believing nonsense. The OP sums it up pretty well.

reply to post by endisnighe


that was good. I've never heard that, but it is so true. These poli-ticks open their mouths, and all that comes out are compounded lies; which in turn spew stupid....

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I thought it was funny, and the guy is white. C'mon atanimals I grew up in the deep south, and man I gotta say this guy hit fairly close on the mark. I posted it because it is the truth.

Really take a hard look at the Glen Beck Patriot movement, and their attempts at hijacking many issues, and replacing them with only taxation....

I mean really look at it. Sure, at first when reading it I agreed with You; I thought the guy was insane, and a jerk off, but re reading, well the truth hurts now don't it.

I think You touched upon why I inserted a quote from Mark Twain; the truth can really hurt sometimes, and it takes a strong Person to look past their initial view to see the real meat of the message. Don't look at the articles face value, but look deeper.
reply to post by ipsedixit


You brought up a strong point. The People currently are their worst enemy; on the whole.

It really would take a President as You described; an armed Dictator like who would personify Chavez. I really do agree with You as I don't think to many of my fellow country People honestly, and I say honestly have a clue what Freedom looks like. If it were a snake, then they'd not even recognize it after biting them in the face

[edit on 21-9-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Sorry man but like I said he doesn't even know that America
is a Constitutional democracy and not just a "democracy".
There is a big difference there. I grew up and still live in the
south. There's morons here like everywhere else in this
country although northeastern liberal elites haven't come up with
one-word epithets for all the others yet. Im sorry that you grew
up with such hicks, there's plenty still here but they're hardly
the majority. Ah well, if it werent for all the hellfire preaching
baptist preachers we southerners might not have such a sullied
reputation. ::sigh:: peace, strength

IMO not without a total redistribution of wealth to the rest of the world. The USA uses 3x more resources than everyone else. That is going to stop one way or another. Its just to unsustainable.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


I think I understand your perspective.

I wish I could have a different one.

And, yet, a thorough cleansing seems more than a little overdue.

In any case, it is scheduled.

Folks are not going to get their acts together in sufficient numbers to stay the hand of harsh discipline, imho.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

This man and his article is just another attempt to anger the left for
the coming battle that is most likely unavoidable.

The left may put up a decent fight, but I just do not see them
winning what is coming.

While it is true the leftists in germany did take over germany
the ppl of the US have been getting ready for such an act
of total stupidity.

I do not pretend to know how long it will be til it happens, but we
are surely on course for Civil War 2.

A lot of ppl will say I am nuts for that statement, but let me explain
why before you totally ignore me.

1) Aztlan issue brewing in the SW.

2) Offshoring jobs, and creating 60+ types of Visas to import
cheap workers to lay off US citizens. Then give tax money from
US citizens to those corporations thru corporate welfare.

3) 20 million homes foreclosed, millions homeless, and cities are
bulldozing empty homes to get tax values back up ?!?!?!?

4) The government for a very long time has lied to us about
many things and when some of the big ones comes to a head
in the not too distant future it could be catastrophic.

5) The financial thieves got millions in bonuses, and the ppl raised hell,
then they said they wanted more and got 100's of millions in bonuses
and the ppl REALLY raised hell. Then they came back and got
billions in bonuses, but ... the ppl did not protest, they just for the
"2nd time in 90 days" bought enough guns to outfit the entire
Chinese and Indian Militaries.

6) NAIS, pond taxes, carbon taxes, taxes on top of taxes on ppl making
LESS than 200,000 USD/yr.

7) Denying members of congress oversight of funds dispensed by
the Federal Reserve

8) Bailout and Stimulus not going to keep ppl in their homes, and
to help the ppl that are hurting the most.

9) US taxpayer money going to bailout foreign interests.

10) Not allowing the house and senate to read bills and ram rodding
them thru blindly hours before they are to be voted on.

These 10 things and a few more are the Casus Belli.

These and others are why the US is doomed to destruction and
internal and external powers have been arranging for this to happen
for a very long time.

Not least amongst these is the Rockefeller family.

Eisenhower and JFK both gave speeches warning of this.

They look at China as a model society, and that is the plan for
what the US is to become and it is far too late to rally what little
is left of the US to do a damn thing about it.

They make their plans clear in the Georgia Guidestones, the
book Eco Science, and the book Limits to Growth.

It is all written down, and that is the game plan.

The seeds of operation paperclip have sewn a bitter harvest.

Your best bet is to hide very well, because the majority of the
country are little more than walking zombies.

Good Luck to you all !


[edit on 22-9-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


All of those things that you mentioned are so wrong, but who's going to do anything about it? You need people to stand up in numbers which means the left and the right standing together against the government garbage. When do you think that's ever going to happen?

It will never fall unless we let it.
She may take a beating, but she will last. Unless the rest of the world is ready for nuclear winter. She won't fall. America's power lies with the people, and if we are ready to take it back, and quit the ignorance, we will survive.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Your my bud, but I gotta tell Ya',"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..".................. I'd keep going, but I always cheated

reply to post by BO XIAN


I have pleaded the case for my fellow Americans, and for myself standing with them time, and time again, when out of the country........ Foreigner's are always the hardest to communicate with; because they aren't exposed to the PsyOps on a daily basis, and they don't have attachments in the USA like I do

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


Wow, wow Private extra top secret transmission encoded here:"central We've got us a thinker on the loose....codename Ex_MislTech......Go code alpha"........

Okay, sorry had to make a funny.. You've got excellent points. I never ever promote the absolute thoughts of anyone Person. I learned long ago that information is free, but it does have a price. Simply You must read a lot, and pick out what is real, and what is good. It never actually hurts to read anything; there is always something to learn, even learning how any side looks at a situation.

The man in the OP made some very excellent points. Could I stand him in real life???? Well am I gonna make money off of his butt, then sure........... Oh, what's that? No money, then get the hell off my porch You totally too far out there Left wing dude; don't have the time while time is passing by to listen

There is always something to learn from someone. I didn't have a need in the OP to put in an absolute disclaimer telling People about my personal beliefs. I would hope most on ATS know that I am for absolute Freedom, and very little govt. I believe in Natural Rights, and Common Law; both are defined in nature, and only enumerated on paper.

That being said, Your argument was absolutely compelling, and correct. Kind of like the dude in the OP......... in varying degrees. You both agree on "Good Luck" It is self evident, the problems that is that are coming down the proverbial pike.

It really is by design; Elite design that is. They have created millions of false paradigms. All these false paradigms have hate, and distrust built into them like clockwork. I really don't have an answer for that. I wish People would wake up, but as You've pointed out, and as the professor pointed out, People are so snowed under the veil, or disillusioned by the Smoke, and Mirrors set in place by the Elite, simply they don't know how else to think.

That's the reason I liked the most definitely self hating "cracker" calling professor because he shook the very false belief paradigms the Elite set in place. Not that he was absolutely correct.

So, here We are now. The Elite do have everyone so fragmented against each other in absolute hate, and differences, I am somewhat hesitant. I feel for all, but I can only help so many. As many of You here are willing to help People, but how many? Which ones? The differences which have been crammed down Our throats are to numerous.

I think the coming collapse will be in short duration because it is by design, but make no mistake when any of us have to kill another Human Being it will be due entirely to the NWO Elite, and the divisions they have created.

Man Sancho, you got a heck of a thread goin' here!
I dig all your posts fellers! Thank you!

Ya, ex_misltech dude, whenever you post I come runnin',
as Sancho says!

I know the takeover is kind of old news but to some it is new.
I guess it is kinda up to us then in a way....
big stuff there!
Glad you refreshed our memories!

Can't quite put it into purty words as you all do but,
it only takes the bailouts of the 'too big to fail' for a huge wake up call.

If it is to be salvaged, it will have to have a major overhaul.
The current entire system obviously is fundamently corrupted,
completely and inherently unsustainable, and worst of all,
unwilling to require anything different - from it!
Or even worse yet, the majority doesnt even see or understand the real
problem in the first place!




[edit on 22-9-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by Sundancer
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

All of those things that you mentioned are so wrong, but who's going to do anything about it? You need people to stand up in numbers which means the left and the right standing together against the government garbage. When do you think that's ever going to happen?

I think you do not understand me.

The left and the right will be pitted against each other.

Like in the civil war, brother will kill brother.

The 1st civil war was the most deadly the US fought, and 2nd Civil War
will be much like it or likely worse.

The government will call in foreign troops to kill US citizens and
put down the uprising.

"He will wear a blue turban"

It is a blue helmet worn by UN troops.

I will be tuning in from a remote mountain side deep in the woods
and I wish those wanting a government more in line with the
constitution all the luck in the world, I am sitting this one out.

The powers that be have been planning this "end game" for a long time.

Good Luck to you all !

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

I dont doubt a scenario such as that at all.
Indeed war is infused in our blood and in our history.
We know nothing else.
We do not feel whole unless we are at war with someone.
Inevitably it will turn us on ourselves.
When the food runs out, or the oil, or the water,
or even the very air we breathe.

Meanwhile the super riche elites will have it all, lock, stock and barrel.
While we get the shaft.
Still the sheeple will bleat and believe and do as they are told.
Especially when it comes to killin'.




[edit on 22-9-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


I agree with You a 1000% regarding the bastards plans for "We The People".

All I have is intent that these quasi elite are messing up, and are going to continue to mess up big time. The fact is People all over are waking up slowly. I can only "intend" they do in time to stop the insanity. In real hard fact the elite's plan is for us to destroy Ourselves through their guidance of Our own insecurities of each other in this society, and others. I know the Internet is spreading truth, or bits of it; which in turn foster Critical Thinking Skills.

reply to post by dodadoom


We have been, and are simply trained.

From an early age We all have been disciplined into the "correct" model of behavior. What makes, or defines it as being correct? Society. Why? The maker's of society, which are the Elites say it is correct. They are the ones who stole are individuality, and replaced it with every principle which would help foster functional overall machine, but at the basic level their design caused all of us to be nonfunctional in Our own lives in many ways. Some obviously more than others.

We have a monumental task ahead of us; one way, or another.

I guess from the beginning of the day, to the end I will always keep intent of change for the better. Life is more sacred than living in serfdom.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

The government will call in foreign troops to kill US citizens and put down the uprising

So sad, but you could very well be right. Because we couldn't stand together and find common ground we shall fall apart. Red against the blue.

But I ask again, who will fight? That would be more work than watching TV eating big macs

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

I feel this 'oppresion' in my very soul.
Its a dirty used feeling.
We are so programmed to think a certain way, to even question
anything, it illicits howls of anger and personal attacks from fellow citizens!
It worked so well we dont even realize it is happening,
yet the proof is everywhere!

Is it really being patriotic or just plain stupid at some point?
A true patriot would question everything would he?
I mean if you know you are being tatooed, wouldnt
you want to know who's holding the needle?



[edit on 22-9-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by dodadoom

it illicits howls of anger and personal attacks from fellow citizens!
It worked so well we dont even realize it is happening,
yet the proof is everywhere!

You brought up some excellent points. I wish there was an easy answer. There is simply not one. Our fellow country People don't even realize what is going on.............. Just as You used the term Citizen; which if proto was here, then he could really elaborate, but all I can say is that is a slave of Rome.

We are Natural People with Natural Rights, and a Common Law as outlined in Nature............ now go tell that to some fellow brethren; they'll laugh in Your face, and probably call You a "commie"!

It is the truth though; all it takes is literally watching Nature which is as close to the Cosmos as any of us will get in this consciousness. Everything I wrote is defined there, in Nature. However, You know as well as I do that the conditioning of Our fellow Man/Woman will make them hate us for saying something of such regard. The average Person is so trained they cannot even realize that the "good book" borders on this very principal, and would rather destroy You, and I for even beginning to alter their outlook. Really that is all We are doing is altering outlooks, and the programming received by the Elite run slave society trains the slaves, or "citizens" to KILL anything that is different, or challenges the contrived, and unnatural system.

Ever wonder why the huge push to decimate the wilderness? It doesn't "fit" with the status quo, or fantasy slave existence the Elite have built, and forced(they'd call it given) upon every Man, Woman, and Child.

Really, I might sound nuts, but think about it,
Bedtime goodnight my Friends

Can America be Salvaged? Well, I've probably got a response hidden somewhere here in the politically jumbled mess of my brains... Um.

YES

But why is this even a topic?

I'm not saying "take down the topic" (there may be politically-confused people out there who think I'm attacking the OP)... I'm not. I just don't think that America is in need of salvaging.

I think it's propaganda and a Big Lie in the truest sense of the word.

This is an implication that America has somehow done something wrong and has collapsed in upon itself, and is in need of salvage... But I don't see it that way

A lot of people do not see it that way.

I could take you for a ride around the nation, and most of the people we see would be people who are uplifted, relatively lighthearted, yeah they've got their own clashing world views, but they're OPTIMISTIC, and I've got my finger on they pulse!

America is NOT sinking.

America is NOT crashing.

America is NOT burning.

America, the citizens of America are alive and well and they're going to take it to the world.


— Doc Velocity