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Harder To Believe In - God or Aliens?

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posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
No, what it does show, that the universe is self manifested, and is capable of creatiing consciousness, which further begs to question, if the universe can create consciousness, then it must be conscious itself. Hence God.

The universe is more of a perfect, perpetual motion machine, IMO. It has no consciousness. It just does what it does. It's a spherical, orbital, cyclic thing that has no end and no beginning. That's not god, by the historical definition, but it is a phenomena in itself. Why can't it just be left at that? Why try to give it human qualities? It's not human. A perfect, infinite machine has no need for a consciousness.

[edit on 20-10-2004 by Damned]




posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 03:30 PM
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I do not believe in God at all.

I could easily believe in aliens rather than god as their is alot more evidence that their is about god, think about it what backs up God?

Silly little book.

There has been many sightings of UFO's by a hell of alot government agencies/armies etc, but then again this is UFO's im talking about and not an actual ET/Alien so i dont believe in either.

Unless i see for myself like the famous saying....

I will believe it when i see it!

But then again...

Believe nothing that you hear and half what you see.

So i guess i dont believe in anything!



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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The Bible is very hard to believe in. I go around and ask people how the universe was created. The religious buffs say God, but when I ask them how it was made, they just say that it just was. The Big Bang is 500 times more easily to believe in than God. Stephan Hawking worked down to one second within the Big Bang, and was called in by the Pope and the Pope begged him to stop right there and not go any further...saying that the first second was God's part. In reality though, he feared what would happen to religion if what happened in that first second was figured out. There is no evidence that God exists...the only thing is a little book. Since humans are apparently God's creation, if Aliens did make themselves known, religion as we know it would collapse. So in reality, Aliens are 100 billion zillion times fmore easy to believe than God.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:25 PM
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Why can't it just be left at that? Why try to give it human qualities? It's not human. A perfect, infinite machine has no need for a consciousness.


Consciousness is not just a human quality, it is everywhere on the planet, and even in the universe. By leaving it at that, we are leaving the most enigmatic and biggest truth of our existence; consciousness

How can the universe create consciousness without being conscious itself? The inherent drive to bring order out of chaos, and to build life, is because the universe must be conscuious. Otherwise why would this machine even build life?

In fact, it is not us spiritualists or theists who putting humans at the centre of the universe, it's those who deny consciousness to the universe, or to anything really, who are putting themselves at the centre. Humans have a a delusion that only they "exist" and their "reality" is the absolute reality.

Remember, the mind exists independent of matter and energy, and no one has been able to prove otherwise. Mind is what manifests reality. This is the primodial stage of any reality.

[edit on 21-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Chieftian Chaos
Since humans are apparently God's creation, if Aliens did make themselves known, religion as we know it would collapse. So in reality, Aliens are 100 billion zillion times fmore easy to believe than God.

I don't think so. You'd still have the hard core religious fanatics claiming that god created the aliens, even if they admitted that they genetically engineered us.


Consciousness is not just a human quality, it is everywhere on the planet, and even in the universe. By leaving it at that, we are leaving the most enigmatic and biggest truth of our existence; consciousness

Nope. Consciousness is what we describe as being aware. Not all things have consciousness, as defined by humans. Trees, rocks, dirt, water, space, etc...these things do not have a "consciousness", as we understand it. You're digging way too deep, and missing the meaning of the word.


[edit on 20-10-2004 by Damned]



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Damned

Originally posted by Chieftian Chaos
Since humans are apparently God's creation, if Aliens did make themselves known, religion as we know it would collapse. So in reality, Aliens are 100 billion zillion times fmore easy to believe than God.

I don't think so. You'd still have the hard core religious fanatics claiming that god created the aliens, even if they admitted that they genetically engineered us.


And why would those 2 things be mutually exclusive.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
And why would those 2 things be mutually exclusive.

I see what you're getting at, but then it would be pretty good evidence that "god" would have had to have a creator too, wouldn't it? (And so on, and so on...) It still makes the question more complicated than it needs to be, IMO. Nothing is solved by believing in god, IMO.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Damned

Originally posted by intrepid
And why would those 2 things be mutually exclusive.

I see what you're getting at, but then it would be pretty good evidence that "god" would have had to have a creator too, wouldn't it? (And so on, and so on...) It still makes the question more complicated than it needs to be, IMO. Nothing is solved by believing in god, IMO.


I think this is the crux of the matter, as far as God is concerned. Beyond our capacity to grasp, assuming He exists.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 09:40 AM
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Yep, that's where I have a problem. If it's beyond our capacity to grasp, why not just say so? Making the question even more complicated isn't helping. Certainly, if it really is beyond our comprehension, then people are most likely wrong in their attempt to describe it, too. It can easily be compared to the early theory about how we remained on Earth. Of course, we all knew we'd fall off the face of the planet, if it wasn't flat. That was common knowledge. Any idiot knew that, literally.
And that was long after the bible was written. I can only imagine how much more naive they were back then.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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God is not a HE or a SHE....it is a big energy of love that is the main source of life....
God is a "source" we all come from that "source" we have souls (wheter u beleive it or not!!!) that comes from that source, so we are part of GOD.
Everything has a duality (feminin-masculin) (positif-negatif) that is all part of "the source" the aliens are also a part of it....when u die, u leave ur body of the 3D and go back to another dimension of "the source" and u can return to earth later to be a better "soul" and learn on earth in a body. Or u can learn in another dimension, or another planet!!!
So....when u prey, u prey your soul (the part of you that is connected to the source) I do that everyday and since, I'm not the same person...I prey my own soul, I talk to it and my energy vibrates hehehe try it! A soul is like water, it will never dissapear (vapor, ice, liquid...) it's always there

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Amelia
God is not a HE or a SHE....it is a big energy of love that is the main source of life....

How do you know "love" isn't limited to Earthly creatures only? There is no evidence that love exists outside of our planet. I was going to say that love is a human emotion, but I have a dog and it's obvious that she loves me. (among other pets I've had) So, I do know that it's not limited to only humans. Many animals do show love, in some form or fashion.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Damned
[How do you know "love" isn't limited to Earthly creatures only? There is no evidence that love exists outside of our planet. I was going to say that love is a human emotion, but I have a dog and it's obvious that she loves me. (among other pets I've had) So, I do know that it's not limited to only humans. Many animals do show love, in some form or fashion.


For Love, my children, is the basis of all. It is truly of the Light. Where there is love, there is no hatred, no fear, no doubt and no pain. I ask you, therefore, when I ask you to raise the Light, to bring into your heart, as much Love as you possibly can. Love for all races, love for all religions, love for all sexes. Let there be no division between you and any of humankind or any of the animals or any of the Light forces upon this Earth.

For Love, my children, is the basis of all. It is truly of the Light. Where there is love, there is no hatred, no fear, no doubt and no pain. I ask you, therefore, when I ask you to raise the Light, to bring into your heart, as much Love as you possibly can. Love for all races, love for all religions, love for all sexes. Let there be no division between you and any of humankind or any of the animals or any of the Light forces upon this Earth.

Damned, did you read the link I sent to you....you should really!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Love ya



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Amelia
Damned, did you read the link I sent to you....you should really!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Love ya


Not yet, Amelia. I haven't had time yet. Unfortunately, my life isn't going so well at the moment, and I'm rather preoccupied. But I don't think inanimate objects can love. I mean, I won't say it's impossible, but I doubt that much of the matter in the universe, and much on Earth, can love. Everything I've seen leads me to believe that love is limited to living, breathing things, and I doubt some of them love, too. It is possible that we underestimate many things, since we can't communicate with them. If light was love, I'd feel loved right now, sitting in my flourescent filled office, but I don't.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:59 AM
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The presence of God/s originate way back in the human history, and it seems to me that the behaviour of those God/s are highly paranormal, just the same way as aliens are today, or the way people start learning to use their mind.
I just can't believe, that God/s are in the form of simple matter, or any kind of "feeling". I think that God/s are living creatures with all the feelings a human being can have. This includes love, but also hatred, sin and awareness. Also I believe that there are yet questions to answer and people are not ready for that.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Vertu
The presence of God/s originate way back in the human history, and it seems to me that the behaviour of those God/s are highly paranormal, just the same way as aliens are today, or the way people start learning to use their mind.
I just can't believe, that God/s are in the form of simple matter, or any kind of "feeling". I think that God/s are living creatures with all the feelings a human being can have. This includes love, but also hatred, sin and awareness. Also I believe that there are yet questions to answer and people are not ready for that.


True, these gods were the Annunaki and they were mean they were the dark forces on earth...they had power that normal humans don't so they were seen as gods!
BUT, god "the source" really exist because we would not be alive here! The universe and aliens come from somewhere....
It's not that complicated, why nobody can understand that simple thing???

Check this out....really...looks kinda weird but makes a lot of sens

www.users.bigpond.com...

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Amelia
True, these gods were the Annunaki and they were mean they were the dark forces on earth...they had power that normal humans don't so they were seen as gods!
BUT, god "the source" really exist because we would not be alive here! The universe and aliens come from somewhere....
It's not that complicated, why nobody can understand that simple thing???

Check this out....really...looks kinda weird but makes a lot of sens

www.users.bigpond.com...

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I believe, this is a question, which cannot be answered with the Big-Bang theory, neither with the Creation.

All cultures had their friendly and hostile Gods, people were created to believe , and sometimes simple humans try to reate answers to these question, only using their knowledge (which may not be right).

I strongly believe, that the question of God is not possible to explain without the presence of the Bible. The question of aliens is no longer a matter of belief, so we turn back to the original point: Are the Gods really aliens?



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Vertu
The question of aliens is no longer a matter of belief, so we turn back to the original point: Are the Gods really aliens?


The real question is, were they ever? Or was primitive man just impressed with their advanced technology, and therefore labeled them "gods"? It's very easy to see how that could happen...just like that old episode of Star Trek, where they land on a primitive planet and are immediately labeled gods, just because the inhabitants had never seen that kind of "magic" technology before.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Damned
The real question is, were they ever? Or was primitive man just impressed with their advanced technology, and therefore labeled them "gods"? It's very easy to see how that could happen...just like that old episode of Star Trek, where they land on a primitive planet and are immediately labeled gods, just because the inhabitants had never seen that kind of "magic" technology before.


Well, this isn't a question, because there is plenty of reference on ancient scripts that aliens, alien technology and UFOs were treated as Gods. They were worshipped as Gods. I am more interested in the possibility, that aliens were actually playing the Gods, and that they were in direct contact with people at those times...!!



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Vertu
[I strongly believe, that the question of God is not possible to explain without the presence of the Bible.


The bible (the ancient testatment) for me is really talking about GOD/aliens
the giants, sins, fallen angels, satan bla bla....what is that! Who wrote that????? Do you really think it's the real deal or just some texts written by people who "thougt" it was GOD... How can you really beleive everything that is in the bible...or in the coran or in torah or in all different versions of the bible???
Why do you think that the bible IS THE REAL THING???
I'm not a christian (I was when I grew up) but now, I made my own beleif, not what some book (that have been change, re-written,traducted...)tells me...what is it with religions and sacred books? I do some researches in MANY books, in different religions, different new-age stuff, i do searches from other than the "bible"...and what about jesus who really are Luc, Mathieu, Marc and Jean....???????

What do you think?
If u are christians and u are confortable with it, good for you!
Love
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Amelia

Originally posted by Vertu
[I strongly believe, that the question of God is not possible to explain without the presence of the Bible.


The bible (the ancient testatment) for me is really talking about GOD/aliens
the giants, sins, fallen angels, satan bla bla....what is that! Who wrote that????? Do you really think it's the real deal or just some texts written by people who "thougt" it was GOD... How can you really beleive everything that is in the bible...or in the coran or in torah or in all different versions of the bible???
Why do you think that the bible IS THE REAL THING???
I'm not a christian (I was when I grew up) but now, I made my own beleif, not what some book (that have been change, re-written,traducted...)tells me...what is it with religions and sacred books? I do some researches in MANY books, in different religions, different new-age stuff, i do searches from other than the "bible"...and what about jesus who really are Luc, Mathieu, Marc and Jean....???????

What do you think?
If u are christians and u are confortable with it, good for you!
Love
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


First, you must respect the belief of other people, no matter what they believe in, because you can turn those against you if you are offensive.

The Bible was rewritten many times, to support the needs of cultural leaders of certain ages. You don't see the original Bible, perhaps you may find partial translated scripts. It is the most read book in the entire World. It is fact, that all these beliefs (and their religious books/scripts) do contain paranormal elements, that can be only explained by mind washing, mindscan, telepathy, UFOs, etcetc... and aliens. This proves, that aliens did have close contact with ancient people , and for some reason, they suddenly left and stopped. This is the basis of the current religions: God will hear you, God knows what you are thinking, God will reward/punish you for what you do, God can see you and you can't hide... etcetc...

You see? It's quite paranormal, and if you put together your knowledge on aliens and religion, you can imagine such close relationship..!!!




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