Your NUMBER ONE Enemy, you'll never guess who.

Originally posted by The Songwriter
You are your own worst enemy! The decisions you take in life affect the people around you...

The #1 enemy its the ego.
Enlightment is banishing the ego.
'Ignorant people' live inside the parasite prison of the ego, enhanced by
the millenia mind warfare of TPTB, its more advanced form is capitalism (serve the ego, forget the others, survive and cheat for profit) and democracy ( the popular is the 'right' choice, the illusion of vote).

Spare 20mins and watch this.
www.tpuc.org...

Ok, I've been reading this thread since the beginning and have found it very interesting and thought-provoking. Personally, I'm a little bit skeptical about these claims, but the momentum of the topic is clearly not in my favour here! So I have a couple of points I'd like to make:

1) For these claims to be practical, the Elite would have had to infiltrate almost every major world government. Obviously this is completely anti-democratic. You guys voted Obama as president, who I (as someone living in scotland - some of you may disagree!) think is basically a good man with good values. But basically you are saying that Obama is completely powerless to influence their 'evil masterplan'? How is this possible? What power do they have over someone like Obama, and the other good, moral politicians of your country (and of other countries)? How could they so easily circumvent his decision-making and influence national and international policy? How is this even practical? What is the source of their power and influence?

2) I mentioned previously, but I don't think anyone responded yet : for these plans to work, the 'elite' will need the co-operation of the working classes. Whether it be soldiers rounding up friends and family, etc, or the workers fkilling each other for scarce resources. This seems unlikely to me. Human nature isn't that simple and easy to manipulate.

3) A more likely result is a class war or a revolution. The hungry and starving will march towards the rich neighbourhoods for looting in such numbers that there will be no way to control them. Do you think these evil geniuses would risk implementing a plan where one possible outcome is the complete opposite of what they are trying to achieve?

4) There is a general paranoia in this thread that makes it difficult for neutrals to believe the more fundamental argument. For example, the claim that 'we are all being brain-washed with sex and violence on the TV.' Nonsense! We aren't being brain-washed. This is what we DEMAND to see. It is where the money is, and the money trail doesn't lie. The constant diet of sex and violence is our fault - it is human nature.

An someone mentioned that in modern culture, we are being deliberately controlled to lack the skills to survive on our own (without the backup of society). This is just basic survival and has been happening since prehistory. Some (to simplify it) cavemen were better at some tasks than others - so if you divide these tasks according to skill in this way, you produce more goods. If you then share up the result, every individual would have a larger share than if he had tried to do each task by himself. That is why we are so specialised - it isn't a big conspiracy! By identifying conspiracies where there are none, it makes it harder to take your other arguments seriously. (Hopefully this doesn't sound patronising - I enjoyed your thread and don't want it derailed by some minor quibble!)

Thanks!

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
Blah Blah Blah - time to get outside people, breathe some fresh air, hug your kids and enjoy life. Too much gloom and doom on here. Life is too short as it is you know.

Enjoy your couple years if ignorant bliss, and ill enjoy my lifetime of reality. Different strokes for different folks.

Meh, life ain't all cotton candy and eludes for other animals.

only humans see life as a gift from god.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Americans pull together, not pull apart. In the great San Francisco Earthquake, citizens pulled together to rebuild the city.

In the Revolutionary War, and all subsequent wars, Americans pulled together.

In the Great Depression, Americans pulled together.

I question your source of information that suggests that neighbor will fight with neighbor. I believe that you will find that neighbor will help neighbor. That is the foundation of our faiths, be they Muslim or Christian or Jew, and that foundation is the basis of our caring for one another through good times or bad. If you do otherwise, you will offend your neighbors, and be excluded from their assistance.

As mentioned above, farmers will continue to farm, food will be available, and nobody will let the population starve. Relax. Even in the worst times, there are the best of times.

I suggest you develop manners, social graces, and assist others in times of need. Fear-mongering will work for a day or so, but after the smoke clears, you will see that it is better to help others and be helped, than to kill others and be killed.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

Love conquers all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by Jim Scott]

Thanks for your post. I don't think mankind gets enough credit. Sure, there are a lot of violent fools out there, but the good people outnumber them. Even during hurricane Katrina, you had people saving stranded homeowners from their rooftops and hospital workers staying to help out their most critical patients, who had no means of escape. Even when people were holed up in the Superdome, people made sure the elderly and infirm got care.

When SHTF, I think the safest place will be my apartment in the city. You know why? Because I know the terrain and I have friends in the neighborhood. When the chips are down, it's your friends and family who will be your greatest allies. There's a misconception that urban areas are horrible, anonymous places. They CAN be if you isolate yourself. Given my current financial situation, that's the best strategy I can take. I live paycheck to paycheck and my closets relatives are a 12 hour drive away. I don't hoard gold, have a means to move to a rural bunker or have a cache of weapons. Hell, I don't even have a car. My preparation consists of buying extra food and supplies, and getting to know my neighbors. If things look really bad, maybe I'll cash in my 401k and buy a rural plot of land, or bike to Georgia and hole up with my relatives. Maybe.

I was working in Manhattan during 9-11 and saw first hand how New Yorkers rallied to help each other out. I'll bet the terrorists (or gov't) never anticipated THAT happening.

10 years ago, there was a blackout that affected the New York metro area for about 3 days. Despite all the predictions to the contrary, there was no rioting, looting, or violence throughout the city, even in the bad neighborhoods. The only bad things were the store owners gouging customers price-wise for staples like ice. Otherwise, the blackout was like a big block party and a chance for me to take off from work for 2 days. So if New York gets hit with another disaster, I think we'll all come together to get through it.

MAN!!!

First its the NWO, then the police, then the politicians, then the pharmaceutical companies, then the rich, then the poor, then the Jews, then the Irish, then the Nazis, then the terrorists, NOW MY NEIGHBORS!?!?!

Ever hear of the saying if you are not with me, you are against me? Every thing that everyone is actually out for themselves in this world? Ever think that being nice to others has its own benefits? Ever think that the majority of people are not ***holes are because it gets you nowhere with the exception of those who CAN abuse it? Ever hear of survival of the fittest?

I am not so naive to realize that we are all out for ourselves. What we must do as smart human beings is develop a system where we MUST be nice to each other and work for each other in order to advance...at the same time though, we can not let the "slow" slow down the fast.

Reply to King9072- This by far the best, most comprehensive article on what is about to happen in the United States.

You were a little too kind in explaining the Social break down and the aftermath that will take place between now and the end of the year. I am a retired Police officer. I was at the 1992 L.A. riot I mean right in the middle of it. You would not believe what really took place in certain parts of that city during the days of the riot. I was there with a SWAT team from another jurisdiction I saw with my own eyes what happened.

The Economy will go to total collapse when Israel hits Iran and the oil is cut off. The fed has promised to ruin the U.S. dollar if they are audited and they will be audited and the banks will close to have their holiday ( because it is part of the big plan) The Banks will adjust all the rates to reflect the value of the U.S. dollar being about 5-6 to one of the U.S.dollars before the bank closed down. When the banks open and everyone see that their money is now devalued 500% human emotion s will spill over to say the least. The COMEX is about to Implode and be exposed as not having the gold and silver to cover all it's worldly debt.
Now the fun part- There are three Islamic terrorist groups already here in the U.S. poised and waiting for Iran to be hit by Israel then the terrorist will do what hurts Americans the Most. Kill out children while they are at school, Attack our churches during Sunday services, create general wide spread panic by sporadicly sniping at motorist. (remember what one DC sniper did now X a hundred) I do not know for sure but I think this is the part where we get nuked in two or three of our big cities. Then..........All the prisoners will escape Jail with help from local gang members. there are 25,000 in ( Los Angeles alone. ) the gang members will link up and cause a bloody killing spree that will not show mercy to anyone not willing to stand up with weapons to fight back. This scene will happen in all major cities it will make Mad Max-Road warriors movies look like a Boy Scout picnic. This is what all the Body Bags that FEMA has stashed are really for not the fake swine flu epidemic.

Get a Plan Now And get Ready;
I'm ready are you- I live in a fairly small rural town, I have water for 6 months, I have food for 4 months. I have enough for a few of my neighbors to watch my flank, I have plenty of high powed hunting rifles and ammo, I have a place in the mtns near by if it really gets bad. I have a private pilots license so I can fly there if necessary, I have a ham radio because all other communications will be down, I have a porta-potty, Iodine tablets in case of nuke attack and closed circuit tv cameras front and rear of my house with trip alarms if someone comes into my yard.
Am I paranoid................no...............I'm just ready. .....KMG

For those who say they can't afford to prepare: I understand that, I'm in that same boat. But here's what I've been doing the past couple of years.... every time I go buy groceries I pick up one or two extra cans of food. It barely costs much to buy 1 extra can of tuna, beans, or soup. It takes some patience but I've managed to build up a large supply this way.

Everytime I can, I buy an extra gallon of water and stash it away.

In my opinion the best thing to do if you live in a city/suburban area is to learn skills to survive away from the city. In a situation of social collapse the cities will quickly become havens for violence and brutal survival based on limited resources which are not being replenished.

Great thread, king- S&F 4 U

I agree wholeheartedly with you. I'd like to tell everyone why. All of the events I am about to relate are in recent memory & can be Googled easily. I also recommend the websites of the Cincinnati Enquirer, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Los Angeles Times, & the International New York Times.

In April 2001 in Cincinnati, there were riots for a whole week that made the national news every night of that week. The racist cops in this city had been shooting black men dead for years. Most of them were unarmed &/or mentally ill. The last straw came when a young man named Timothy Thomas, engaged to be married & about to become a father, was murdered by police downtown- FOR REACHING FOR HIS PANTS. Like many young men, he was stylishly dressed in the low-slung, baggy trousers that have been popular for years. The city erupted- not only downtown, but in other neighborhoods- Avondale & Evanston. We were a hairsbreadth away from martial law.

On May 21st, 1979, the White Night riots rocked San Francisco like an earthquake. Dan White, who had murdered Mayor Moscone & supervisor Harvey Milk the year before, had gotten off with involuntary manslaughter due to the infamous "Twinkie Defense". The gay community had HAD it. Many gay people marched on city hall. The city unleashed goose-stepping riot cops, with badges that were taped over with black tape to avoid easy identification, upon the protesters, causing a huge riot. The recent movie, "Milk", documents this.

In March of 1991, Rodney King was savagely beaten by racist policemen during a traffic stop. It was videotaped by a concerned witness across the street. The tape made the national news & the four cops responsible were put on trial, then acquitted in April 1992. The poor & people of color in Los Angeles rioted violently for a week, killing 53 people. Thousands were injured & 1 billion dollars worth of damage was inflicted upon the city.

In the summer of 2006, many riots flared up in Paris, France & other large cities in that country, due to high unemployment and racist attitudes. During the year of 2008, many more riots ensued in Greece & elsewhere in Europe due to high youth unemployment. The list goes on, but the bottom line is: when people have had enough, they boil over. This all too often happens when citizens have reason to lose all faith in government &/or law enforcement. They feel that they have nothing to lose.

The world economic situation is ready to explode, as well. Make no mistake, this is a depression, not a recession- I refuse to call it anything other than what it is. The last two Treasury bill auctions yielded little revenue- China & Japan, the largest investors in the past, chose to sit it out. How is the U.S. going to survive, let alone pay for all of the expensive stop-gap measures it has been taking for the last year? It won't be solved by ridiculous Tea Parties attended by people with their heads in the sand.

I've tried- gently- to apprise my friends of what is likely to hit the fan for years. Two have always listened to me, fortunately- we've had great discussions. Others are in denial & have stopped just short of calling me crazy- until lately. Budget cuts & layoffs at work, inflated prices, & the country's economic woes have begun waking them up, & they're scared. One friend who scoffed the most has had to take another long, hard look at what I've said- her family's money is wrapped up in a lot of real estate, which is now worth only half of what it used to be. Hopefully they'll take my advice & read Jim Marrs' excellent book, "Rule By Secrecy".

Money changes EVERYTHING. It's amazing how many people lose all of their friends when they haven't got any money any more. People should band together & help each other out, yes, but they all too frequently don't. When mob mentality & martial law hit the street, it is usually every man for himself. Bad times bring out the worst in a lot of people. It's best to BE PREPARED.

This is a fantastic thread, as it has been stated before, and I have had a great time reading everyone's thoughts. More than anything, I do believe that Peter Schiff and Ron Paul when they say that the dollar will collapse and that are economy is going to go the way of the German situation in the 1920s. I'm also quite afraid of the powers that are increasing outside of freedom and liberty in this country and the rest of the world. The very fact that most of the elites in power are behaving in this manner only leads me to come to one conclusion: something is definitely coming and it will probably be very bad.

I'm kinda in an odd situation, Before unemployment went crazy I was working a good job in the IT field. But I was laid off back in December last year, and been underemployed working for a retail chain ever since. Being a youngster I didn't think much about saving for the future, I wasn't living on credit but I didn't put much back between the monthly bill cycles. Anyways going from 31/hr to 11/hr we've had to make some drastic changes. We used to live in the upper side of town, your nice leave it to beaver painted suburbs. But we now live in lower income suburbs, and its not a problem for the most part except for that 20 percent of the people that make thier money illegaly or slumming off the Govt, I worry for my families safety with them and because of that I plan to bug out at the first hint of civil unrest. Luckily I have some family in a fairly rural area just 3 - 4 hours south of me and thats where ill be if the shtf. I am stocking up some, but less on the canned food and more on survial gear. Fishing and Camping gear plus seeds is where 80 percent of my money is going. My thinking is that canned food wont last for long and ill be better off with the supplies to catch a meal then hauling around a dwindling amount of food that would make me a target for someone hungry. No guns on me but the family that ill be with has a few.

Also the other things im doing to try and help prepare and keep alive when the shtf, I went out and got a little black and white laser printer, and printing up as many guides as I can, from cleaning and skinning, plant identification, gardening, water purifying and basic shelter making. Im reading and watching any vidoes i can find on these topics but i figured having a few of the better guides I find in print might help once im in the thick of things. Ill be hauling that around with me until ive done it enough times to feel comfortable.

OK, I'm convinced, I'm buying a 7 foot long grill to cook long pig; my
neighborhoods full of it

Wardoc,
a carnivore, no an omnivore !!!!!

Its a no-brainer that the public will be used to control the public. After all, the people are the most powerful collective entity on Earth. Governments and military organizations know this and have a high respect for that. It will figure greatly into any plans to control populations.

Anyone who has studied such tactical for population and crowd control knows that you leverage as many of the public as possible to do the dirty work. It reduces the work to be done by troops or agency operatives.

Advertising and media methods are regularly used for this, so, why not in a much larger event? There are so many whose reality is determined by media driven programing and misinfo, you could easily get 10-15% of the population to follow some agenda by tactics of fear-based participation in a control efforts. Groups already in place like Civil Defense and local enforcement are a given for the front lines, but may become part of the control mechanism to "encourage" the public to do it's so called "civic duty" and report non-obedient public, either next door or on any street USA.

Sun Tsu Art of War is basic theory for such warfare. Use your enemy to fight your enemy by tactics of intimidation and fear, misinformation and stories of negative outcomes if there is no compliance.

You defend yourself by outwardly looking like you are compliant, but planning to fulfill your objectives out of the eyes of anyone external to your family-group. This is not easy in a culture that has been programmed to distrust everyone and expect the worst of any situation, but possible with intelligence and caring communication and education in your own home family/friends unit.

It will be a heartbreaking event to have to be so closed-hearted in such a massive event like martial law and emergency cataclysmic events where such would be implemented. Such will add to the despair and desperate emotional states of the population, further convincing people to do what they are told or be arrested/killed.

Your worst enemy is actually your own lack of awareness and intelligence. Work on that first, then you will be able to parse the many types challenges you will come up against in a world of changing conditions and uncertain events. So...

Your worst enemy is your lack of awareness and knowledge. Remember that and you will likely have a fighting chance in any situation.

ZG

[edit on 9/22/2009 by ZeroGhost]

Consider me a "skeptical believer." I have stashed ammo and firearms, fishing equipment, some food, and even planned on how to barricade my house if need be. However, every so often I look around, take a deep breath and think "no freaking way this will happen." Through my life all the "deadline" dates have passed without so much as a peep. Nothing has happened that was too traumatic, or too upsetting. No world changes have happened. No aliens have revealed themselves, no lava men, no bigfoot has been found, Nessie is still a myth. The big earthquake that is going to make Colorado beach front property hasn't hit, and Yellowstone is still a cool park with gysers and Yogi bear, not a seething cauldron of lava and death. I am starting to get complacent due to the total lack of, well ANYTHING...........

I will still store food and water, still carry a gun with me wherever I go (and yes, in CO you can carry a loaded handgun in your car at all times. Just remember to quote "for personal protection while travelling)

I just wish it would happen if it is going to happen.....this waiting is stressing me out!!

reply to post by king9072


Ok a few things here, they may attack rural first so as to sequester people in to large urban controlled areas and those of us living rural are the most vulnerable as we are primarily alone.

Those who do live in the way out are loners anway and would be more likely to shoot first, then a person in a neighborhood setting.

They sit in their thinktanks and go over all scenarios so that they have their ducks in a row, so maybe we need a think tank because every scenario you imagine on this site is being integrated into theirs right now.

I've read the posts on this thread, and I'm of the opinion that a more secretive method of operation would be better. I have tried talking to my friends about the coming posibilities, and what is coming down the road. I either get the blank stare, or as a family member told me, "that just can't happen". I'm tired of trying to do the right thing and warn people. it's tto late in my estimation.

As far as neighbors go, I have known mine for 30 + years, but still choose to keep my mouth shut as to what I think will happen. I will help them out in exchange for some extra security help.

The society situations that are coming down the road are going to require customized scenerios to handle them. there are no cut and dry solutions that will work. Every situation will be a little different. As the days go by, I just keep doing whatever I can, and mind my own business. I have told my wife to not discuss anything we are doing at work. no one needs to know anything I'm doing, and I want it to stay that way.

It doesn't take me many times getting the blank stare, or being told something can't happen, to know when it's time to shut up. We are now dealing with the last bit of available time for preps, and should use it wisely. Don't waste it trying to convert sheeple. They might figure it out as they are being led to the slaughter, or maybe not.

Not many guns where I live. Plenty of good neighbours though. If there were ever the kind of crisis you expect, our community would all help each other out. No hate inspired paranoia here - just plenty of friendly people.

Very intresting points of view. The way i see it is that the United States is under a lot of stress right now. Usually things under stress have one of two things happen.

1. Get the stress taken off.
2. Snap.

The economy is the biggest stress we are facing at the moment i believe. The government HAS been trying to rectify the problem with coming up with programs to help stimulate or just get us back on track. Such are Cash fo Clunkers, the 8k new home buyers credit, some kind of teaching thing where you can become a teacher for cheap.

So thats is the US government taking step 1. But as we can all agree thats just the tip of the iceburg. Sooner or later the US is going to snap, weather it be from the collapse of the $ or the revolts of the n1h1 vaccine. Something is bound to happen. When it does who are you going to look out for? You and yours right? Well so is everyone on your block.

Personally no one blieves a word i say and i get laughed at because im just "paroniod". But i have several people i can trust, and that would atleast listen to what i have to say. We have come up with a plan to set into action at the first sighs of the misty brown stuff in the wind. We all hope that nothing happens, but in the rare case that it does we have something to go by and that makes our chances better then most.

So how many people are thinking that when this happens that moving to Canada might be a good idea?