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9/20/09 NPR story on Jay-Z and the occult coming on air in a few min..

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posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by dontbelievehype


In all my posts on the hiphop scene, Jay Z and other lackeys, I have cited enough knowledge for you to accept if you want to. Maybe you are a hiphop fan but you know it only on the most superficial level. The hiphop scene has gone through many changes, most of them negative, owing to what was the voice of the voiceless becoming commercialised and consumed by an overwhelmingly white entertainment industry.




Spare me the childish patronising remarks.

How dare you call me ignorant of anything or question my knowledge when you don't know me from adam.

Your last two posts smack of homophobia. Even if your allegations are true what of it? It's his life, who are you to choose how he should live it or who he should associate with.

And the rest is just your usual conspiracy BS.
Everyone knows that the modern day music industry is full of manipulating mega
record companies and the artists are their pawns.

For Jay-Z you could read any number of bands and artists out there,
just because you have a personal issue with him as a person is not an excuse to hate on him and you wanting to try and gain some hypothetical
internet kudos for trying to sound 'in the know' about the rap industry is rather pathetic.



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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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Reading your posts like above, you give the impression of being a sparrow struggling to understand quantum physics.

It's just too much for you to cite any real information or knowledge of hiphop and understand why Jay Z is viewed with ambivalence to distaste by significant numbers of real hiphop heads, serious music writers, Black community members etc.

Yep, Jay Z's sexuality is relevant because again it's all part of being somebody who claims to represent the Black community but is in fact being questioned by more and more of that community for a no. of reasons including being a DL brother. Jay Z wants to sleep with Larry Johnson? Fine but not being upfront about it will cause him to be questioned.

There's a reaonable theory that the late Pimp C was murdered instead of supposedly dying from drinking syrup because he talked about rappers hiding their true sexuality. He brought this into the spotlight.

Stick to soccer. Post all you like but to me it's just chirping and I aint gonna answer it further.

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by dontbelievehype
Reading your posts like above, you give the impression of being a sparrow struggling to understand quantum physics.

It's just too much for you to cite any real information or knowledge of hiphop and understand why Jay Z is viewed with ambivalence to distaste by significant numbers of real hiphop heads, serious music writers, Black community members etc.

Yep, Jay Z's sexuality is relevant because again it's all part of being somebody who claims to represent the Black community but is in fact being questioned by more and more of that community for a no. of reasons including being a DL brother. Jay Z wants to sleep with Larry Johnson? Fine but not being upfront about it will cause him to be questioned.

There's a reaonable theory that the late Pimp C was murdered instead of supposedly dying from drinking syrup because he talked about rappers hiding their true sexuality. He brought this into the spotlight.

Stick to soccer. Post all you like but to me it's just chirping and I aint gonna answer it further.



Your ignorance is astonishing.

''Stick to soccer'' - What are you talking about?

And what gives you the right to dictate who can post where and on what subject.

Quit throwing the toys out of your pram because you have been shown up as a homophobic hypocrite.

You were telling us all about "Rhiannon" not too long ago I seem to remember.


What's your point? You don't like or respect Jaz-Z...fair enough.

You have a problem with him using occult related symbology although there is no trace of any on his latest release.

You think his peers disrespect him because you think he is secretly having a homosexual affair....right.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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Realshanti - thanks for that informed reply. I always thought the claim that Crowley was 'the wickedest man in the world' was a sensationalising claim.

I still think he preached a hollow philosophy and one that easily degenerates into scorn for the kind of values found in the New Testament that inspire the non violent, the gentle, the merciful, those who do not see what you own as any measure of your worth etc.

I know another poster who was informative mentioned that Crowley was doing well towards the end of his life. Yes, he may have been working on a book and I know the Thoth Tarot as I have a big interest in Tarot although I generally don"t like the Thoth designs. But I am pretty sure there's evidence that Crowley was more or less addicted to drugs when he died.

As for Blavatsky - yes, what a despicable woman. I loathe eugenicists in any form and the kind of racism promoted by these people as 'enlightenment' is truly disgusting.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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your quite welcome - I know next to nothing about the hip hop scene but I was a student of the occult and Crowley for over thirty years until my conversion to the Christian faith some years ago - this has been an interesting thread - as I am a musician as well - I have a lot of respect for musicians of all types - their personal eccentricities notwithstanding - those that practice or dabble in the occult often have little or no understanding of what they are actually getting into - I try not to judge them too harshly but it is important to speak out especially when their influence is widespread...we need to be careful though because rumor is damaging and so often unfounded...the media is not exactly trustworthy in matters of culture..



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Speaking of jay z does anyone know what the name of this song in the first part of this video www.youtube.com... ? Nevermind the video its a typical random conspiracy theorist youtube video that presents no proof of anything but I wanna know the song its awesome. Some great metaphors in the lyrics. Its a cool song because at first it sounds like a typical rap song glamorizing street life violence and drugs but if you really listen to what hes saying hes talking about how unglamorous that life is and how evil it truly is and noone can live their entire life like that. Practically every other bar in the 3 verses is a metaphor.

Anyways whats the songs name???

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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Well stated and it is the truth.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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might be a interesting show.

wait, no, nevermind it wont be.

i am not a satanist, but, i play one on tv!


cheers,
AA

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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 03:05 AM
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jeasahtheseer, I can't get the sound for some reason but I think the song is "D'evils" .

It's from Reasonable Doubt, Jay Z's first album. I don't object to this song although some of the youtubers posting some interesting information about Jay Z, Beyonce, Kanye, Riannha and other occult pied pipers seem to think it's evidence that Jay Z was/is possessed.

I think it's clear he's talking about the evils he saw on the street hustling (tho he was never a bigtimer in that world - he was a 'foot soldier' for Calvin Klein, a relatively big drug boss who spent time in the pen). He's reflecting on it and what he and those in the drug game did to get money and how it undermined them.

Unfortunately he didn't go on to develop that but instead followed the path of promoting greed, selfishness, crass materialism and power over those without wealth. This has taken a new turn with the celebration of evil occult deities such as Baphomet - he and his fellow pied pipers including his wife Beyonce promote Baphomet when they can slip it into videos, promotional material etc.

The sample in 'D'evils' is from Nas, not Prodigy as some people think. I'm against Jay Z because he is increasingly glamorising dark powers, boasting about materialism being all there is to life, again and again promoting a lifestyle of accumulation, superficiality and power over those supposedly 'weak'

Unlike LL Cool J who said in one of this songs "Money don't make the man', this guy purports to care about Black people who are struggling but keeps rewinding and replaying the whole contempt for the kinds of things that make people more, not less, human.

The very studied, very deliberate negativity and powerlust in the videos of Hay Z, Beyonce, Riannha, Omarion and now Kanye who used to be a thoughtful voice rather than a materialistic one, tells me a lot about the way Jay Z has gotten worse. Apart from 'D'evils' and a handful of songs with substance over a long career, he is recognised within serious hiphop journalism as being a huge influence on the shallow money-exulting, contempt for those without hiphop trash that has been so heavily marketed since the early 200s.

And his actions (screwing over others, probable snitching on fellow Black hiphoppers etc) speak louder than the token statements he comes out with re struggling members of the Black community. The things he keeps promoting stand in contrast to the cliches spoken on Oprah etc.




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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Yeah I don't really dig jay z either but I do like that song. As far as rap music and black communities I personally believe all mainstream rap music is bad. All it does is enforce all the negative stereotypes people have about black people. People hear this garbage music and think all of us are gangbangers and drug dealers and pimps and just generally bad people. Which is very far from the truth I did grow up around a lot of people like that but I also grew up around many good and positive people. People that have grown up now and work honest jobs and have families that they support and are generally good people.

I don't know, I'm really not into any rap anymore I loved it when I was a teenager but since then I've discovered other forms of music that I like much better.

As far as jay z and occult stuff I cant speak about a lot of it because I'm not into and dont buy the whole illuminati thing but I often see people saying jay z is a freemason and their proof of that is usually pictures of him shaking hands with people or doing that symbol with his hands. As a freemason myself I can say all these pictures of him shaking hands with people arent mason handshakes. Atleast the pics I've seen.

And what do you mean by that sample is nas? Do you mean the sample in the hook of D'Evils? It sounds like prodigy from mobb deep to me.

Anyways, thanks for giving me the song name, man
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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by THX-1138
Some people say Sean Carter, a.k.a. Jay-Z, a.k.a. Jay Hova, is an atheist.
But I say he is Jewish.
The evidence points to this conclusion.




Freemason 3rd degree, hence the Blueprint III. The TV ad played over and over prior to its release makes it clear.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Even if jay z is a mason, who cares? And the third degree isnt like some secret high degree or anything. I'm a third degree which is master mason and so are all the other masons on here and millions of others.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Yeah crowley was a heroin addict from 1922 or something until he died. But also back then people and doctors didnt quite know what we know now about drugs he was prescribed heroin by his doctor and it turned into a addiction. Heroin is supposedly hard as hell to get off of I think I've read 90 percent of addicts that go to rehab end up relapsing many times.

I like the thoth tarot. If you are interested you should check out his book The Book of Thoth. I've read it a couple times, its kind of like just a introduction to the thoth tarot. Theres some interesting stuff in it.

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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Thanks for those informative replies! I know hiphop and Jay Z exists in the context of the corporate white entertainment industry where non Blacks have the most say in what gets signed, promoted and aired on tv etc.

It's not in the interests of these real white movers and shakers to promote substance. They're into controversy and making people go out and big the products of multinational companies that they're in business with and linked with. Jay Z was the perfect rapper for the whole greed is good, run up your credit card with expensive junk, buy stuff you can't afford push.

NWA and other gangsta rappers made the f you music, the powerful who run the companies focused on the negative, dead-end # as opposed to uplifting message music that was also musically creative. 50 Cent's another example - a true story (tho there seems to be evidence he is a snitch as Irv Gotti and others accused) but he got such a massive push from Interscope.

It's more important to push a Black man who was into drug dealing and got shot than to push somebody who can make you think. I don't think Jay Z's a negative influence because of freemasonry.

I have questions about freemasonry including what seems to be the masking of occult rituals and keeping members in ignorance of this. I know there are different kinds of freemasonry and I am not accusing all freemasonry. Just stating the general image problems freemasonry has because of some of the elements in certain kinds of freemasonry.

I think Jay Z is negative because of the negativity he pushes in his music and now overtly in videos. He will give a few interviews where he makes the right sounds about Black people and poverty but all his career he has encouraged the status quo.

He still does, now with a new twist. I'm aware that there are definite circles of influence and not for good in the entertainment industry. Jay Z sold out to them a while ago. That's the main reason he's getting so much promotion because you are not going to get far without selling yourself to the real powers that be in the industry.

He has screwed over Black people consistently, and even as President of Def Jam he was just interested in lackeys like Kanye, Young Jeezy (likely another snitch) Neyo, and Riahnna. Def Jam rappers like LL Cool J (a legend), Method Man, Joe Budden and more got screwed by Jay Z's presidency. They talked about how he blocked their albums, wasn't around when they need to communicate.

This guy is a 'cold dude' as a friend described him. And I believe in the future we'll here about some serious # going down in his life. He has to pay a price for his associations and he will.

And about the sample in 'D'evils' - I'm sure it's Nas. Sounds like him talking about the Illuminati. Jay Z said in one of his diss songs to Nas: "Yeah I sampled your voice - you was using it wrong."

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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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What are these occult rituals that are masked that you speak of? Most of our rituals are basically little plays like initiation and degree ceremonies. Masons are encouraged to search for themselves and find the meanings of masonry. Also just because some people may consider something "occult" does not make it bad or evil. I hate how people look at everything that can be considered as "occult" as evil.

There are lodges that do things "out of the norm" for freemasonry but these lodges are nor recognized and are considered clandestine. Basically meaning they call themselves freemasons but they are not really freemasons.


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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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My question is - why is this specific Jay-z situation coming to light all of a sudden? I hadn't heard a thing about it until a week ago and now it's everywhere it seems. Maybe it's just the way I hear things but it still seems so sudden. I watch and read many news sites daily and it all just appeared at once.

Amyone else notice that?



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

What are these occult rituals that are masked that you speak of? Most of our rituals are basically little plays like initiation and degree ceremonies. Masons are encouraged to search for themselves and find the meanings of masonry.

I am just saying that's one of the reasons freemasonry gets a bad press and why people are suspicious (apart from the networking that takes place in some jobs - I know from friends in the UK there's distrust of freemasons in the police force because freemasons promote their own and have done for a long time).

I am repeating one of the key arguments used against freemasonry - that it's Luciferian worship disguised and only certain members get to know about it. I am not saying this is true - I am saying what is a fairly usual view of freemasonry.

True - there's occult and there's occult. I am against the use of Baphomet and other Luciferian symbols by Jay Z and his fellow pied pipers. I could go into it in more depth but I've already discussed it and there are sites on the net that do it well.

To the poster who asked why is it coming out now? After those music awards which flaunted Luciferian imagery in the face of viewers and the music buying public, there's been a backlash. I can tell you there is also a backlash against Jay Z by some in the hiphop community and some in the Black community.

They do not like the way he claims to be pro Black and makes a few sounds about poverty in the community but is disloyal (long line of people (non white) he has screwed over) and makes money out to be one of the gods Black people should worship - along with Baphomet.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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actually thats stuff seems to be true,
all of what he said has been heard before and its not like hes making that up



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