I see myself as English more than British, Not sure what that has to do with anything or why you would get called racist just for being English?
And the BNP are racist.
As for the rest.... Meh.
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Topic started on 20-9-2009 @ 11:01 AM by Freedom ERP
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PODcast: English Nationalist - A Racist? Think Again!
Just because I am an English Nationalist does NOT make me a racist
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reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 11:40 AM by detachedindividual
reply to post by Freedom ERP
I listened to a bit of it, then I became bored.
I am English.
I do not believe that people who state that they are English are automatically "racist", that is a pretty dumb argument to propose.
What I DO state, openly and unequivocally, is that all members of the BNP and EDL are inherently xenophobic.
Stop marching in the streets stirring up racial hatred and tensions, stop carrying signs saying "no more mosques" and equating "Muslim" with "terrorist" and I might show these groups less animosity.
As it is, whether you personally follow the racist doctrines clearly espoused by these abhorrent people or not, if you associate with them you will be automatically tarred with the same brush. If you don't accept their clear racism and xenophobia, why align yourself with them at all?
I don't need to join a group espousing hatred, while denying that I myself support that theology, simply to assert my national pride!
To suggest that a person is a part of such a group because of one or two aspects they believe in, while claiming that they refute all the other "negative" aspects, is not convincing at all. If they're not in denial, they're blatantly lying.
If you align yourself with a group of people who are openly causing racial animosity and encouraging violence in the streets, you have absolutely no right to cry foul when people point at you and assign the racism label.
If you don't want to be viewed as a racist and xenophobe, don't support groups to whom such ideals are clearly paramount. It's that simple.
I listened to a bit of it, then I became bored.
I am English.
I do not believe that people who state that they are English are automatically "racist", that is a pretty dumb argument to propose.
What I DO state, openly and unequivocally, is that all members of the BNP and EDL are inherently xenophobic.
Stop marching in the streets stirring up racial hatred and tensions, stop carrying signs saying "no more mosques" and equating "Muslim" with "terrorist" and I might show these groups less animosity.
As it is, whether you personally follow the racist doctrines clearly espoused by these abhorrent people or not, if you associate with them you will be automatically tarred with the same brush. If you don't accept their clear racism and xenophobia, why align yourself with them at all?
I don't need to join a group espousing hatred, while denying that I myself support that theology, simply to assert my national pride!
To suggest that a person is a part of such a group because of one or two aspects they believe in, while claiming that they refute all the other "negative" aspects, is not convincing at all. If they're not in denial, they're blatantly lying.
If you align yourself with a group of people who are openly causing racial animosity and encouraging violence in the streets, you have absolutely no right to cry foul when people point at you and assign the racism label.
If you don't want to be viewed as a racist and xenophobe, don't support groups to whom such ideals are clearly paramount. It's that simple.
reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 12:11 PM by detachedindividual
reply to post by Cythraul
I too believe that a lot has to change, but that doesn't ever force me into aligning myself with an extremist group with racist ideology.
You don't HAVE TO join groups to believe something. I don't belong to any clubs or gangs based on a single issue. Why is it considered logical to accept some insane ideals just to be a part of a collective over one or two issues? How does that make any sense?
Lets just face the facts here, these people use such an excuse because they know their opinion is offensive, unintelligent, and opposed throughout society.
They cannot accept being in such a hated group of people, and so they make excuses for their actions, proclaiming that they are a more "moderate" follower of the gang.
If a person didn't believe or accept the vile ideologies of such groups, they wouldn't align themselves with that group.
The only thing worse than a violent racist, is the violent racist who denies they are racist. That is just pathetic and weak.
But that's just my opinion.
I too believe that a lot has to change, but that doesn't ever force me into aligning myself with an extremist group with racist ideology.
You don't HAVE TO join groups to believe something. I don't belong to any clubs or gangs based on a single issue. Why is it considered logical to accept some insane ideals just to be a part of a collective over one or two issues? How does that make any sense?
Lets just face the facts here, these people use such an excuse because they know their opinion is offensive, unintelligent, and opposed throughout society.
They cannot accept being in such a hated group of people, and so they make excuses for their actions, proclaiming that they are a more "moderate" follower of the gang.
If a person didn't believe or accept the vile ideologies of such groups, they wouldn't align themselves with that group.
The only thing worse than a violent racist, is the violent racist who denies they are racist. That is just pathetic and weak.
But that's just my opinion.
reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 01:54 PM by Cythraul
reply to post by detachedindividual
You haven't answered my question. Do I ignore these 'extremist' groups because I don't 100% agree with them? What if, say, having something done about immigration is more important to me than preventing the BNP's bad policies from seeing light?
These are the fundamental, unchanging reasons why normal, non-racist Brits are being forced to turn to parties like the BNP and no amount of incorrect accusations of 'racism' or 'uneducated' is going to change that. The ONLY thing that IS going to change that is the major parties dealing with issues like immigration, political correctness and extremist Islam. FACT.
You haven't answered my question. Do I ignore these 'extremist' groups because I don't 100% agree with them? What if, say, having something done about immigration is more important to me than preventing the BNP's bad policies from seeing light?
These are the fundamental, unchanging reasons why normal, non-racist Brits are being forced to turn to parties like the BNP and no amount of incorrect accusations of 'racism' or 'uneducated' is going to change that. The ONLY thing that IS going to change that is the major parties dealing with issues like immigration, political correctness and extremist Islam. FACT.
reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 03:02 PM by Freedom ERP
reply to post by detachedindividual
How can you say this is a pretty dumb argument. Have you lived my life?
I have been called a rasist for stating my nationality as English so this has happened but strangly when someone in the group stated Scottish, nothing was said.
You must have listened even for a few minutes to a difference podcast. No where did I mention "Muslin" or "terrorist" nor do I march in the streets. You are the problem because you have made the link between being proud to say you are English and stirring up racila hatred.
Listen to the whole podcast rather than assume what the rest of the podcast is about.
This is clearly your view that this is a racist doctrince. So the thousands of people who voted for the BNP as MEPs are abhorrent people? Can I ask your political view point? Who would you vote for as the next general election?
I do not believe that people who state that they are English are automatically "racist", that is a pretty dumb argument to propose.
How can you say this is a pretty dumb argument. Have you lived my life?
I have been called a rasist for stating my nationality as English so this has happened but strangly when someone in the group stated Scottish, nothing was said.
Stop marching in the streets stirring up racial hatred and tensions, stop carrying signs saying "no more mosques" and equating "Muslim" with "terrorist" and I might show these groups less animosity.
You must have listened even for a few minutes to a difference podcast. No where did I mention "Muslin" or "terrorist" nor do I march in the streets. You are the problem because you have made the link between being proud to say you are English and stirring up racila hatred.
Listen to the whole podcast rather than assume what the rest of the podcast is about.
As it is, whether you personally follow the racist doctrines clearly espoused by these abhorrent people or not, if you associate with them you will be automatically tarred with the same brush. If you don't accept their clear racism and xenophobia, why align yourself with them at all?
This is clearly your view that this is a racist doctrince. So the thousands of people who voted for the BNP as MEPs are abhorrent people? Can I ask your political view point? Who would you vote for as the next general election?
reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 03:21 PM by Freedom ERP
reply to post by detachedindividual
So how can I expect our leaders to take account of my concerns is I remain a single person. The only that change can be effected is by group action so by our view point, my views are not important because they seems offensive to you. Governments listen the the group that shouts loudest. And please listen to the whole of my podcast. I talk about people have a collection of issues taken from different spectums of politics.
And there are many examples of single issue that have changed our society. So you would not support "Sarah's law" as this is a single issue?
I too believe that a lot has to change, but that doesn't ever force me into aligning myself with an extremist group with racist ideology.
You don't HAVE TO join groups to believe something. I don't belong to any clubs or gangs based on a single issue. Why is it considered logical to accept some insane ideals just to be a part of a collective over one or two issues? How does that make any sense?
So how can I expect our leaders to take account of my concerns is I remain a single person. The only that change can be effected is by group action so by our view point, my views are not important because they seems offensive to you. Governments listen the the group that shouts loudest. And please listen to the whole of my podcast. I talk about people have a collection of issues taken from different spectums of politics.
And there are many examples of single issue that have changed our society. So you would not support "Sarah's law" as this is a single issue?
reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 09:51 PM by joeofthemountain
Why ought anyone, especially a nation (i.e., those born to a common ancestry, culture, history and outlook), be required to host aliens or risk the
wrath of the antiracists?
This is foolishness only possible because you and your fellow travellers bear little to no cost for giving away other people's money, land and civilization.
Oh by the way, Give me £1,000 or else I'll call you a bloody racist.
reply to post by detachedindividual
This is foolishness only possible because you and your fellow travellers bear little to no cost for giving away other people's money, land and civilization.
Oh by the way, Give me £1,000 or else I'll call you a bloody racist.
reply to post by detachedindividual
reply posted on 23-9-2009 @ 02:58 AM by Cythraul
reply to post by WarrenStetson
Very well put Warren. My thoughts exactly. Racial continuity is not akin to racial supremacy or hate. Actually, some 'far right' people want to preserve non-white races just as strongly as they want to preserve their own. It's not because one race is better than the other but because racial evolution is so ancient, interesting, cultural - that it would be a tragedy to forever lose that.
But anyway, the truth is that forced race-mixing is a new world order program.
Very well put Warren. My thoughts exactly. Racial continuity is not akin to racial supremacy or hate. Actually, some 'far right' people want to preserve non-white races just as strongly as they want to preserve their own. It's not because one race is better than the other but because racial evolution is so ancient, interesting, cultural - that it would be a tragedy to forever lose that.
But anyway, the truth is that forced race-mixing is a new world order program.
reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 09:02 AM by mattpryor
reply to post by Cythraul
BNP offer quick fixes to complicated and profound social problems. They point the finger at minorities, who are among the poorest and most downtrodden in our society, and blame them for everything that's wrong.
Changing our society for the better is every individual's responsibility, not government's. Politicians who tell you they can do it by kicking people out of the country are lying to you.
BNP offer quick fixes to complicated and profound social problems. They point the finger at minorities, who are among the poorest and most downtrodden in our society, and blame them for everything that's wrong.
Changing our society for the better is every individual's responsibility, not government's. Politicians who tell you they can do it by kicking people out of the country are lying to you.
reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 04:08 PM by Freedom ERP
reply to post by mattpryor
And what are the other parties doing and saying to address these issues? At least the BNP seem to be addressing issues that inpacted enought people to elect 2 BNP MEPs.
And what are the other parties doing and saying to address these issues? At least the BNP seem to be addressing issues that inpacted enought people to elect 2 BNP MEPs.
reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 04:18 PM by Freedom ERP
reply to post by ignorant_ape
Just see the post above yours and the various threads on EDL and of course this thread as well.
And I do talk with local leaders from the other political parties about the issues that the BNP and UKIP promote, and neither my local Labour, Tory and LibDem parties wanted to address some of the immigration issues and do not see immigration as a problem.
Just see the post above yours and the various threads on EDL and of course this thread as well.
And I do talk with local leaders from the other political parties about the issues that the BNP and UKIP promote, and neither my local Labour, Tory and LibDem parties wanted to address some of the immigration issues and do not see immigration as a problem.
