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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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Piers Morgan's lifetime ban of "gold digger" Heather Mills...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You know, here they go again smearing Heather Mills. It wouldn't surprise me if Piers Morgan is an intelligence agent of some sort.

The real reason they won't allow Mills on Morgan's CNN talk show is that she might say something that isn't, shall we say 'politically correct,' like the time she said the world can't handle the truth about her former husband. So no, she won't be allowed on CNN because she might spill the beans about what she knows and that wouldn't be kosher.

The charade about Piers Morgan and Sir, with Sir joking that Morgan cost him $50 million by setting him up with Mills in the first place --- it's all just very contrived and made up lies.

There are so many of these stories in Beatles legend and lore. "She's a gold digger and a fantasist!," yeah sure, whatever. The whole thing is a massive charade and the public have no clue what the reality is and how twisted this all is.




posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Hi Switching Yard,

I'm glad you're contributing your precious research to this topic and not letting the sting of insults or the sludge of cover-up artists discourage you. Thanks to your hard work we are moving ahead, with in sight one day making this obvious to more people than not. We are helped by the active harassment of trolls whose hysterical efforts to cover up Paul's murder and impede our investigation is flagrantly visible to anyone reading this thread, so that should spur us on instead of impede our participation.



Originally posted by switching yard

I viewed the DVD of the PBS show LENNON NYC.

May Pang is right. It's a load of propaganda mainly from control freak Yoko's perspective. I'm guessing she had final approval over every visual and every word of narration. Some of the friends of "Lennon" seem like, in interviews, CIA undercover agents trying their best to make the story sound plausible, to reinforce the "legend" (a word that has special meaning in the intelligence commuity).


May Pang may be right, but we should be square on one thing. Yoko wasn't a "control freak". She was a 'controller' also known as a professional 'handler'. Handlers are trained to handle and 'control' other agents and every aspect of their lives, one main agent or an array of smaller level agents, depending on their place in the pecking order of mission competences and on the requirements of their assignment. I've known handlers and they can readily be detected by this same characteristic behavior, taking charge, assuming direct authority for things which shouldn't be of their concern, creating a buffer between their operative and others, running the show from the sidelines if not behind the scenes.


Also, such intelligence "sting operations" where an actual contrived community is set into place in order to create a setting and a backdrop to justify one or a group of agents' activity, you will find that there is actually a network of agents with mutually interacting cover identities who gravitate around one another in small groups of "friends or colleagues" in their mission roles for a number of reasons. First it provides each agent with a credibility of being who they are presented as being, and nothing else. the group validating each others identity thanks to the image of social acceptance Next it gives each one of them a social outlet so reducing the inclination to overly expose themselves to the risks of external social contact unrelated to their mission.


Also it provides an informal support network so that agents don't find themselves psychologically isolated and makes them feel less like abnormal freaks. It also grants the agency a useful monitoring matrix with each agent reporting on the others, in a more or less friendly and collegial way, giving an advance alert system in case of suspicions about an operative being 'turned' and becoming a double agent or the burgeoning mental breakdown of a field operative. Lastly it give occasion for a central coordinator to evaluate and assess his agents and semi-private opportunities to debrief and advise them as well as manage their concerns.


Given the characteristic behavior of intelligence handlers trained to take control of pretty much every parameter of social interaction, it stands to reason that Yoko exercised routine adamant control over every aspect of the story as pertains to the history of John Lennons life. She did this not just to forge a "Legend" if a cult icon, and this for Cointelpro Mass Mind Control Propaganda reasons, but also because as a handler she is accountable for protecting the specifics of her mission as well as masking any trace of agency intervention.


That you noticed that some of the friends of "Lennon" seem like, in interviews, CIA undercover agents trying their best to make the story sound plausible, to reinforce the "legend", this is mundane in this type of agency operation. It's done all the time, they weave their social presence around one another, and they are compelled to support the web of lies because their own identity and individual mission is dependent upon the solidity of that fabric.


Anyone who has ever been around intelligence service agents can well understand that this sort of situation becomes glaringly obvious when they've had some experience. Having been around them from very close up as well as from afar, it is something which requires no effort to do, and would actually require quite the trick of the mind to occult from one's vision. Insiders know this full well because an integral part of their field reports include individual assessments of every person they meet each day and include their impressions as to whether a given one might be an intelligence operative.


These entirely subjective field assessments are not requested as a routine backup information but are used with the utmost seriousness in determining dangerous operations where national interests and human lives are in jeopardy. This is usually more relied upon than "hard" evidence which is more easily infiltrated with disinformation, whereas the instincts of a good agent are highly respected as more valid and relevant.



Originally posted by switching yard

The official stories of every "Beatle," from 1967 to now, present more questions than answers. Some parts of the story lines seem to be illogical and not easily explained except that we're always conditioned to think, "Oh well, they were and are artists and artists lead strange lives." That's what we're supposed to think.


Artists do happen to live lives which are different from the run of the mill wage slave, both because they have a different lifestyle due to flexible schedules, touring travel and evening performances, but also because their interests are different and their activity is creative and not routine or humdrum. But this does not mean by any stretch that they are necessarily unstable, fickle, capricious, disoriented, amoral or otherwise constituted differently from ordinary people. The Beatles are testimony to that. They thought the media madness created around them was nuts, that the personality cult was improper, that fame and wealth were traps and they wanted to have meaning in their lives. A far stretch from the vanity, pretense, cupidity, materialism and self-sufficiency of their character deficient and even perverse replacement impostor doppelgangers.


There is a relatively normal projection of each of The Beatles' lives up until the mid sixties. Any researcher looking into that will note that apart from a few adjustments and minor corrections of their trajectories, they each followed their own interests, preoccupations, inclinations and aspirations in a progressive manner without drastic changes or paradigm shifts. The year was 1966 when either they became possessed with another person's individuality, character and personality at the same time as their physical body was swapped, or else they were killed and replaced - take your pick, it pretty much comes to the same thing.


There is no accounting for this common trait of full fledge personality swing and modification of talent, tastes and beliefs. Artists may indeed live bohemian lives and act in eccentric ways, but when you know them well over any period of time they invariably become predictable and pursue their originality in a flowing and progressive trend. So it is hard to accept that each of them would radically change, these are no longer teenagers but men in their mid twenties who have had a measure of success and have already found their way of accommodating to their environment, living some aspects to their fullest yet taking tough stands on other issues in a courageous rebellion.


Then all of a sudden we find that John Lennon after making ardent public declarations to that effect no longer denounces the Zionist control bringing forth an Orwellian New World Order, instead we get a mainstream leftist Ghandi making peace signs. Paul violently opposes drugs and has little tolerance for others using them. Then he becomes a promoter and role model for drug use. Let us look more closely into the Blood Libel which they openly opposed in graphic terms. And we should remember that Zionists should not be in reference to the Jewish people nor the Jewish faith but a small group of non Jews who are not practicing believers in Judaism but who claim themselves to be from an ancient Hebrew Bloodline at the source of today's Royal families and their stealth bloodline relatives better known as the Illuminati.


Zionists of Hebrew descent but NOT Jewish


British subject Rik Clay spoke out about the Queen's claims of descending from King Salomon and wanting London to become the new Zion at the 2012 Olympics. He was assassinated a few weeks later.


Rik Clay murdered for outing QE II as a Zionist


John Lennon made similar claims back in 1966 to the international press, referring to the Zionist control of the entertainment industry. Given the consequences for an anonymous nobody, a bloke like you and I, we can imagine how seriously this was taken in the highest places. I let you draw your own conclusions - the Spooks at MI6 took orders from the Queen. At minute 3:15 in the following video Alan Watts explains how it was public knowledge printed in the newspapers that Hollywood was granted the rights to create international culture. This is the exact Zionist policy decision which John Lennon had publicly protested.


Mass Mind Control by Hollywood Zionists


Next is a video of the August 28th, 1966 Los Angeles press conference in which some particularly interesting questions were asked. At this date it is uncanny that John (or his impostor) would not confirm or deny his earlier statement about Hollywood Zionists running show business.


Press conference on 8/28/66 with The Beatles or their impostors?


At minute 12:35 John (or Fohn) uses a 'question avoidance' tactic by replying "No comment" to a simple question about a public statement he had recently made to a journalist and which had been published in the press. Faul, noticing that his response was unsatisfactory and maybe not wanting to be the only one looking like a looser in front of their 'agency impostor handlers' - taunted John saying "Come on, John, tell them what you mean". Thus pressured by his co-conspirator's prompting, John nevertheless was unable to reply to a clear question for any politically structured individual such as John Lennon was purported to be. Here is the question along with John's clueless answer:


QUESTION: "Show Business is an extension of the Jewish religion. Would you mind amplifying that?"



John Lennon:

"I mean, you can read into it what you like. It's just a little old statement. I was not very serious about it."



QUESTION: "And those words, how did you piece them together?"



John Lennon:

"Oh, I don't know..."



Was John Lennon someone who lent himself to making trivial statements about fundamental political matters? Hardly. On this subject, here is what Texe Marrs confirms:


Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?


Let us please remember that this is not the Jewish people nor the Jewish religion, but only a small group of fanatics who have infiltrated several nations among which Israel and the USA and who hide behind judaism to dissimulate their plans which have nothing to do with the welfare of anyone Jewish. They are Zionists, and as our current US Vice-President so eloquently puts it, this has nothing to do with being Jewish.


The Zionists are the Illuminati



As recently as this week Sarah Palin spoke of Blood Libel and she is widely believed to be a Zionist, calling into question the Kabbalistic ritual practices of this group behind the New World Order and making us wonder if Sir Faul so appointed by the Zionist Queen Elizabeth II isn't himself not just a practicing satanist but also a Zionist? The following video cites at minute 2:05 that Jews are prohibited to engage in human sacrifice in 4 passages of the old testament. This is evidence that the Zionists do not practice Judaism but are pagan satanists


Blood Libel


Paul took a very hard stand against satanist ritual abuse, as can be noted by the Butcher Album Cover which cannot be explained away any other way. It showed life sized dolls of babies, mangled and dismembered and mixed in with hunk of raw bleeding meat, with themselves dressed in butchers' smocks.

Blood Sacrifice as practiced by the British Royals




In case you hadn't understood, they made sure the back cover explained that a woman seen from the back, illustrating that her identity was kept hidden, officiating as a high priestess in such rituals with a string of sausages especially chosen to look like human intestines presented before her. Today we note that it is hardly credible that a militantly opposed Paul would side with the enemy and turn practicing Satanist, making his replacement a closed case.

Saxe Coburg Gotha British Royals at RItuals


Some of the kids who were sacrificed Here




Originally posted by switching yard

The guy in the documentary film LENNON NYC has a voice that sounds like the original, but physically, he doesn't look like original John. Maybe it's possible, with many hours of practice, to imitate someone else's voice.



Originally posted by switching yard

Also, I think the original was a bit more macho, had a fuller face, not so beaky and caved in on the sides nose, and had a somewhat more stocky build. As we've noted before, the original was into anglo or French blondes, not Asian women. The whole thing about the so-called "house husband" period is weird, too. Like, he just wanted to bake bread and watch TV while Yoko's job was handling all the finances and making all the big decisions. I just don't buy it. Something smells fishy about the "true" stories in LENNON NYC. May Pang has already spoken out that the show is full of disinformation.



Originally posted by switching yard

The filmmakers have the big graphic at the end: "John Lennon 1940 -- 1980" as if to burn that into your brain. If Lennon was replaced at the end of 1966, as I suspect, then that graphic is a lie. But you see, they want everyone to believe the official story. Sometime in the future when Sir passes away, there will be no end to the TV documentaries emphasizing that "Paul" lived a long, successful life touring right until the end, etc.



Originally posted by switching yard

Something is rotten about all the official stories regarding The Beatles. So much of it seems like cover stories to mask what really happened.



edit on 21-1-2011 by Getsmart because: the shills got to my computer and crashed my post, deleting its cache history.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by switching yard

The guy in the documentary film LENNON NYC has a voice that sounds like the original, but physically, he doesn't look like original John. Maybe it's possible, with many hours of practice, to imitate someone else's voice.


This is because bone structure isn't possible to change. John was hefty and stocky because he had thick bones. This gave his body more physical presence and a general thickness which couldn't melt away like that of an impostor with thinner bones. You can remove weight by thinning but will remain broad in terms of ossification. The impostor clearly had thinner skeletal composition making any number of his features more frail and less thick. This explains his nose being thinner and not imitating John's perfectly. It also shows that he was way too thin, because even emaciated John would have been broader than Fohn.


Regarding his vocals, they could have been dubbed over, this technology has existed for decades. Any number of spy shops can sell you at a reasonable price by mail order a fairly operational vocal chord scrambler box which masks any spectral trace of your voice to use in phone calls or voice recordings. This technology has existed for a very long time. For example it has been a quarter century that the Military have access to much more difficult to design image processing software with which they can change a person filmed in a scene in real time, feeding it in and receiving it on the other end without delay, with the substitution of one person with the complex visual characteristics and features of a different individual. Changing a voice on recorded media is child's play.



Originally posted by switching yard

Also, I think the original was a bit more macho, had a fuller face, not so beaky and caved in on the sides nose, and had a somewhat more stocky build. As we've noted before, the original was into anglo or French blondes, not Asian women. The whole thing about the so-called "house husband" period is weird, too. Like, he just wanted to bake bread and watch TV while Yoko's job was handling all the finances and making all the big decisions. I just don't buy it. Something smells fishy about the "true" stories in LENNON NYC. May Pang has already spoken out that the show is full of disinformation.


John was no wimp, reminding us of the Knights of olden days. Fohn was a pussy whooped shill impostor. Not the same man by any stretch of the imagination, even if we were constantly brainwashed with a stringy Fohn as the real John for years of media hammering. The real John Lennon could have walked off with any of millions of attractive women. There's no way he would have been so perverse to surrender his existence to a cadaverous Messalina-type harpy when he could have found love and happiness with a profoundly sweet and sincere beauty.



Originally posted by switching yard

The filmmakers have the big graphic at the end: "John Lennon 1940 -- 1980" as if to burn that into your brain. If Lennon was replaced at the end of 1966, as I suspect, then that graphic is a lie. But you see, they want everyone to believe the official story. Sometime in the future when Sir passes away, there will be no end to the TV documentaries emphasizing that "Paul" lived a long, successful life touring right until the end, etc.

Something is rotten about all the official stories regarding The Beatles. So much of it seems like cover stories to mask what really happened.


This points to the fact that those Zionist cynics probably even programmed Fohn's death at that date for its numerological and symbolic impact, choosing their favorite Satanist haunt of the Dakota building of Rosemary's Baby fame to do the deed. Did they ask their pal Roman Polanski to draft the scenario for his Satanist Sacrificial Death?



Originally posted by switching yard

Piers Morgan's lifetime ban of "gold digger" Heather Mills...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You know, here they go again smearing Heather Mills. It wouldn't surprise me if Piers Morgan is an intelligence agent of some sort.


You're quite right to detect that. Journalist is the top job sought out to place intelligence agents in the field. It gives them open access to just about anyone and any place as well as giving them a convenient cover for snooping and searching for information. This comes only second to the preference to position an agent in a cover job in an Embassy, which grants them Diplomatic Immunity for any "dirty tasks" they may need to commit.


We can even consider, in the case of the Star Whackers and the monitoring and surveillance of Entertainment Industry stand-ins, that the Paparazzi constitute another means of close surveillance and monitoring of every aspect of a Celebrity's life. That way there is a constant presence applying pressure to not squeal, any images can be sorted and filtered in advance to provide censorship, and they can even be used to assist in the "termination" of a personality such as in the case of the Assassination of Princess Diana under pursuit by Paparazzi. The celebrity trash sheets called the is clearly an offshoot to finance this surveillance as well as to deepen the brainwashing of the masses through icon worship.



Originally posted by switching yard

The real reason they won't allow Mills on Morgan's CNN talk show is that she might say something that isn't, shall we say 'politically correct,' like the time she said the world can't handle the truth about her former husband. So no, she won't be allowed on CNN because she might spill the beans about what she knows and that wouldn't be kosher.

The charade about Piers Morgan and Sir, with Sir joking that Morgan cost him $50 million by setting him up with Mills in the first place --- it's all just very contrived and made up lies.


Piers Morgan has all the markings of a Propagandist, with 25 years of journalism subject to Her Majesty's bidding and an appropriately proper upper class British smirk making it all so very cozy. A snobbish operative he was put in line by guest Howard Stern who by a quip indirectly hinted that in the USA his British masters were not in control, and that in the States the shots are called by the Philadelphia Illuminati who coordinate Zionist propaganda.


The story about how Heather Mills met Sir Faul is a made-up fairy tale used to justify the MSM censorship used to shut her up, and to warn any others that they'd get no audience if they decide to blow the whistle. He also probably had to take that job on American TV to make amends for causing their Zionist higher ups to lose $50 to Heather when had he managed the situation better preventing her from stashing evidence against Zionist Satanist Sir Faul, they could have whacked her to spare the expense.


Thanks for bringing this to our attention and for your candid remarks.


GS



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:21 AM
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What's the PIDers response to their nonsense being ripped to shreds?

Just repeat it all again, rinse and repeat...




posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Getsmart
Paul took a very hard stand against satanist ritual abuse, as can be noted by the Butcher Album Cover which cannot be explained away any other way. It showed life sized dolls of babies, mangled and dismembered and mixed in with hunk of raw bleeding meat, with themselves dressed in butchers' smocks.

Blood Sacrifice as practiced by the British Royals




In case you hadn't understood, they made sure the back cover explained that a woman seen from the back, illustrating that her identity was kept hidden, officiating as a high priestess in such rituals with a string of sausages especially chosen to look like human intestines presented before her. Today we note that it is hardly credible that a militantly opposed Paul would side with the enemy and turn practicing Satanist, making his replacement a closed case.



BS

Can't be explained away? Dakudo already did. He posted the explanation from the photographer himself who set up the shot. It was not meant to be intestines. I mean, we have the actual explanations of the shots from the man who came up with the ideas, but you totally ignore those and come up with your own wild theories backed up by nothing other than brain farts and try to pass them off as fact.

Here it is again:


On June 15, 1966, Capitol Records released a Beatles’ album without the Beatles’ consent entitled Yesterday and Today. This featured an image that has become known as the Butcher Cover and has become the most infamous picture of the Beatles.

On 25 March 1966, The Beatles went to Whitaker’s Chelsea studio for a photo session, intending to take photos for the cover of (and/or to promote) their forthcoming single, "Rain"/"Paperback Writer". The band and their photographer were determined to create something more than the run-of-the-mill publicity shots, and among the resulting images was one which has since become known as the "butcher" photo, in which The Beatles are depicted wearing white coats, draped with dismembered doll parts, slabs of meat and false teeth.

This now-legendary image, probably the single most famous image of the group, was originally conceived as one of a triptych of photographs, and intended as a surreal, satirical pop art observation on The Beatles’ fame. Whitaker’s inspirations for the images included the work of German surrealist Hans Bellmer, notably his 1937 book Die Puppe (La Poupée). Bellmer’s images of dismembered doll and mannequin parts were first published in the French Surrealist journal Minotaure in 1934.

t has often been claimed that The Beatles intended the "butcher cover" as a protest at the way their music was being "butchered" by their American label, Capitol Records. In a Nov. 15 1991 interview with Goldmine magazine, Whitaker discussed the butcher cover at length, and unequivocally put the protest claims to rest:

"How did that photo, featuring the Beatles among slabs of meat and decapitated dolls, come about? Was it your idea or the Beatles'?

"It was mine. Absolutely. It was part of three pictures that should have gone into an icon. And it was a rough. If you could imagine, the background of that picture should have been all gold. Around the heads would have gone silver halos, jewelled. Then there are two other pictures that are in the book [The Unseen Beatles], but not in colour.

"How did you prepare for the shoot?

"It was hard work. I had to go to the local butcher and get pork. I had to go to a doll factory and find the dolls. I had to go to an eye factory and find the eyes. False teeth. There's a lot in that photograph. I think John's almost-last written words were about that particular cover; that was pointed out to me by Martin Harrison, who wrote the text to my book. I didn't even know that, but I'm learning a lot.

"Why meat and dolls? There's been a lot of conjecture over the years about what that photo meant. The most popular theory is that it was a protest by the Beatles against Capitol Records for supposedly "butchering" their records in the States.

"Rubbish, absolute nonsense. If the trilogy or triptych of the three photographs had ever come together, it would have made sense. There is another set of photos in the book which is the Beatles with a girl with her back toward you, hanging on to sausages. Those sausages were meant to be an umbilical cord. Does this start to open a few chapters?

"Were you aware when you shot it that Capitol Records was going to use it as a record cover?"

"No."

"Were you upset when they did and then when they pulled it and replaced it with another photo?"

"Well, I shot that photo too, of them sitting on a trunk, the one that they pasted over it. I fairly remember being bewildered by the whole thing. I had no reason to be bewildered by it, purely and simply, because it could certainly be construed as a fairly shocking collection of bits and pieces to stick on a group of people and represent that in this country.

Quoted in 1966 in the British music magazine Disc and Music Echo, Whitaker said:

"I wanted to do a real experiment - people will jump to wrong conclusions about it being sick, but the whole thing is based on simplicity -- linking four very real people with something real. I got George to knock some nails into John’s head, and took some sausages along to get some other pictures, dressed them up in white smocks as butchers, and this is the result -- the use of the camera as a means of creating situations."

Whitaker was later quoted as saying that the basic motivation for making A Somnambulant Adventure came from the fact that he and The Beatles were "really fed up at taking what one had hoped would be designer-friendly publicity pictures". In the interview conducted just before his death in 1980 (referred to by Bob), John Lennon confirmed this.

John Lennon - "It was inspired by our boredom and resentment at having to do another photo session and another Beatles thing. We were sick to death of it. Bob was into Dali and making surreal pictures."

Whitaker had intended the triptych to be his "personal comment on the mass adulation of the group and the illusory nature of stardom … I had toured quite a lot of the world with them by then, and I was continually amused by the public adulation of four people".

The images in the triptych were actually intended as the foundation of a much more elaborate work. He had planned to retouch the photos to give them the appearance of a religious icon. The background was to be painted gold like a Russian icon and to have the Fab Four’s heads surrounded by jewelled halos, with the photos bordered in rainbow colours. This decoration, contrasted with the bizarre situations of the photos themselves, was evidently intended to create a surreal juxtaposition between the band's image and celebrity, and the underlying fact that they were just as real and human as everyone else.

"John played with all sorts of bits and pieces before we actually did the picture. I did a few outtake pictures which were of them actually playing with a box full of dolls which they pulled out and stuck all over themselves. There was an enormous amount of laughter. There was even George Harrison banging nails into John's head with a hammer. The actual conception of what is termed the ‘Butcher's Sleeve’ is a reasonably diverse piece of thinking ..."

" ... the [butcher] cover was an unfinished concept. It was just one of a series of photographs that would have made up a gate-fold cover. Behind the head of each Beatle would have been a golden halo and in the halo would have been placed a semi-precious stone. Then the background would have contained more gold, so it was rather like a Russian icon. It was just after John Lennon had said that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ. In a material world that was an extremely true statement."

The first photo shows The Beatles facing a woman who stands with her back to the camera, her hands raised as if in surprise (or worship) while The Beatles hold a string of sausages. This was meant to represent the 'birth' of the Beatles, with the sausages serving as an umbilical cord. Whitaker explained: "My own thought was how the hell do you show that they've been born out of a woman the same as anybody else? An umbilical cord was one way of doing it."

The centre panel of the triptych is the image nowadays referred to as the "butcher" photo. It shows the (obviously stoned) Beatles dressed in butchers’ coats, draped with slabs of red meat, false teeth, glass eyes and dismembered doll parts. This picture was actually titled "A Somnambulant Adventure" and Bob’s intention was to add other elements to it which would create a jarring juxtaposition between idolisation of The Beatles' as gods of the pop world and their flesh and blood reality as ordinary human beings, but he was never able to realise this.

The photograph that would have been used for the right-hand panel of the triptych is one of George Harrison standing behind a seated John Lennon, hammer in hand, apparently driving nails into John's head. Whitaker explained that this picture was intended to demonstrate that the Beatles were not an illusion, not something to be worshipped, but people as real and substantial as "a piece of wood".

A fourth picture taken at the same session, but apparently not intended to be part of the triptych, is also included in Whitaker’s book The Unseen Beatles. It shows John framing Ringo's head with a cardboard box, on one of the flaps of which is written "2,000,000".

"I wanted to illustrate that, in a way, there was nothing more amazing about Ringo than anyone else on this earth. In this life he was just one of two million members of the human race. The idolization of fans reminded me of the story of the worship of the golden calf."

Like the famous 1963 nude photo of Christine Keeler taken by his contemporary Lewis Morley, Whitaker's "butcher" photo soon passed out of his control and took on a life of its own. The Beatles themselves seem to have been behind the use of the photo in British trade advertisements and then on the cover of the Capitol album Yesterday and Today. The prime mover seems to have been Paul McCartney. In his book Shout, Beatles biographer Philip Norman claims that Brian Epstein had misgivings about the picture and felt it would disrupt the band’s meticulously managed image, which had taken a hammering in the wake of the recent "bigger than Jesus" controversy. But according to Norman, the band overruled him.

Interestingly, the butcher photo made three appearances in print in the UK before it was released in the USA on the cover of Yesterday And Today. It was first published on page 2 of New Musical Express on 3 June 1966' in an EMI advertisement promoting the forthcoming single. The same ad was published in Disc and Music Echo the next day, June 4. Both these versions were in B&W. Its third appearance (and its first in colour) was on the front page of Disc and Music Echo on 11 June 1966 under the headline, "BEATLES: WHAT A CARVE-UP!"

It can also reportedly be glimpsed in photos taken during the making of the "Rain" and "Paperback Writer" film-clips, filmed on 19 May, in which Paul McCartney can be seen inspecting transparencies from the 25 March photo session. None of these appearances seem to have caused any appreciable comment in the UK, even though they were published only days before Capitol’s promotional release of Yesterday And Today in th U.S.

It should be noted that, up to and including Revolver, all The Beatles' American LPs (released by Capitol Records) differed markedly from their original EMI UK releases. The Capitol LPs were collections of material culled from the Beatles' previously-released British albums and singles, selected and packaged by Capitol especially for the American market. Yesterday and Today included songs from the earlier Help! and Rubber Soul LPs plus, unusually, four songs from Revolver, which would not be released in Britain for another three weeks. It was Capitol’s habit of cherry-picking album tracks and singles to compiled their own albums that was the origin of the urban myth (referred to above) about the butcher cover being some kind of protest against the American label.

Capitol printed the cover in early June, using the "butcher" photo, and the release was scheduled for 15 June 1966. Estimates of how many copies of the album were printed and/or distributed vary considerably. Whitaker put the number at 250,000, but other sources range from as high as 750,000 to 400,000 to as low as 60,000. According to another estimate, about 25,000 copies were sold prior to the recall. Mojo magazine reported that 60,000 copies were distributed to radio, media and Capitol branch offices, who showed it to retailers.

"Having finished that particular picture, it was snatched away from me and sent off to America. It was reproduced as a record cover without ever having the artwork completed by me. The cover layout was somebody else's conception. It was a good idea to ban it at the time, because it made no sense at all. It was just this rather horrific image of four Beatles, whom everybody loved, covered in raw meat, the arms, legs and torsos of dolls, and false teeth. But they are only objects placed on the Beatles, rather like making a movie. I mean what you want to read into it is entirely up to you. I was trying to show that the Beatles were flesh and blood."

It has been suggested that Lennon was the main impetus behind the photo being used, but according to Alan Livingstone, Capitol’s former president, (quoted in Mojo magazine in 2002), the decision to use the photo Yesterday And Today was mainly at the insistence of Paul McCartney:

Alan Livingston - "The reaction came back that the dealers refused to handle them. I called London and we went back and forth. My contact was mainly with Paul McCartney. He was adamant and felt very strongly that we should go forward. He said 'It's our comment on the war'. I don’t know why it was a comment on the war or if it would be interpreted that way."

Capitol were understandably touchy and could ill afford another Beatles-related controversy -- they were still reeling from the public-relations disaster of John Lennon’s notorious "bigger than Jesus" comment in March that year, which had sparked a wave of protests and record burnings in conservative areas of the U.S. The company reacted swiftly, issuing letters of apology, and on Tuesday 14 June PR manager Ron Tepper issued an official letter of recall in which he quoted a statement from Capitol’s President Alan W. Livingston:

"The original cover, created in England, was intended as a ‘pop art' satire. However a sampling of public opinion in the United States indicates that the cover design is subject to misinterpretation. For this reason, and to avoid any possible controversy or undeserved harm to the Beatles' image or reputation, Capitol has chosen to withdraw the LP and substitute a more generally acceptable design."
991.com...



Originally posted by Getsmart
Back side of Butcher album offering Human bowels to a High Priestess


Dakudo: DEBUNKED! Conclusion? Total and utter bullcrap.
edit on 21-1-2011 by edmond dantes because: To help people not fall for these lies told over and over.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Getsmart
Hi Switching Yard,

I'm glad you're contributing your precious research to this topic


But it's not "research", you loon. All he does is make allegations about incidents and/or people with no evidence to support it.

Just like you, really.

And that's "research"?

LOL.



Thanks to your hard work we are moving ahead


What, with even more stupid claims and literary diarrhea? Er.....ok.


We are helped by the active harassment of trolls whose hysterical efforts to cover up Paul's murder and impede our investigation is flagrantly visible to anyone reading this thread, so that should spur us on instead of impede our participation.


Translation:
Our arguments are being ripped to pieces and we're being shown up for the ridiculous, paranoid fools we are..... I know! I'll post an ad homein attack to try and obscure the fact that I'm a total buffoon who hasn't posted a shred of credible evidence for any of the copious amounts of lame ass drivel I've posted since this thread started.

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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Wally Hope
What's the PIDers response to their nonsense being ripped to shreds?

Just repeat it all again, rinse and repeat...



StuPIDity:

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...
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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Like they say:


TRUTH HURTS


...the guilty and their hirelings.


GS



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Getsmart

Like they say:


TRUTH HURTS


I take it that you're a masochist, then?



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Getsmart

Like they say:


TRUTH HURTS


...the guilty and their hirelings.


LOL!

Truth? Dakudo is the one providing the truth here. He provides documentation backing up what he posts.

You just ramble on with unsubstantiated theories and baseless accusations, punctuated with demonstrable falsehoods.

PID is dead.
edit on 21-1-2011 by edmond dantes because: people should not be fooled by the PID Hoax.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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Thanks for providing the excellent and enlightening posts, GS. Spot on, as usual.

Like I've mentioned before, perhaps on a different but related thread, one reason I buy into PID is that I spent years studying the JFK hit. There were handlers and controllers in that operation, so I know that's a real SOP. The fellow who was gunned down by Jack Rubenstein --- in my opinion, his real identity is still in question. I was never convinced that the "patsy" was in fact "Lee Harvey Oswald." The true identities of all the actors in the JFK hit "drama" remain a mystery, but that whole stage play was performed by agents playing essentially scripted roles. So, in my estimation, the JFK hit scenario is proof of manufactured or stolen identities being used in black ops.

Fast forward to late 1966 and we have the black ops stage play (in the press, on the world stage) that was the ongoing result of whatever happened to the original Beatles. I think The Beatles were a target because of the sheer, worldwide power of their appeal that induced mania among millions of teens. The perpetrators saw that they could hijack the power and use it or experiment with it to their own devious and manipulative ends. Sure, it was one of the slickest black ops in history (and still ongoing) and the perps succeeded in not only managing the switcheroo which went largely undetected by the masses, but using the impostors for massive social experiments also yielded results for them.

For example, it's widely known that '___' was unheard of in the general public until seemingly all at once, and in sync with Faul's coming out of the '___' closet, bingo it's suddenly quite readily available on many if not all college campuses in the USA. There's really only one way that kind of massive distribution of '___' could have happened... black ops. In the famous '___' interview, Faul pretends to taunt the journalist with the attitude (paraphrasing) 'the teen endangerment guilt is on you for publishing this, not on me for telling you I do drugs' --- when he knows full well that whatever he says will be world news and what a co-winky-dink, thousands of hits of acid are coming soon to a college campus near you, on their way now (1967). It's pretty obvious this whole '___' thing was a massive social experiment and the "new" Beatles gave all the young trippers several albums of acid trip soundtracks!

Not sure what black ops wanted to gain from all this, but it sure played out like a successful operation. The whole 'planted clues' thing was a major component of this operation. I would think that if one were to listen to the Sgt Pepper album on acid and keep playing all the 'psychedelic period' Beatles albums back-to-back while tripping on acid, and at the same time looking at every inch of the album covers the way people did in those days, all the clues would add up to one or more messages that aren't apparent or clear if one is not tripping. That's my guess, anyway. One big part of the entire social experiment of the switched Beatles operation was to see if young minds could be imprinted with a message by using such a mass market and disguised method. So, in a nutshell, to get the message they were trying to imprint on millions of young people at that time, one would have to take an acid trip and listen/look at the clues. That's my impression.

I think that eventually this theory will be taken more seriously and future social scientists will break down and examine all the audio/visuals of the psychedelic Beatles period and perhaps deduce and conclude what the real, overarching purpose was of the black ops involved. What were they trying to accomplish with the imprinted message? Further research may reveal it.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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One giveaway that clues were planted and they meant something is the whole theme of the music video for Free As A Bird. That video is visually wall-to-wall clues that refer to song lyrics from the albums. So the video is telling us that clues are important in the Beatles catalog. I think that's the message we were supposed to get either overtly or subliminally --- planted clues were there and were in some way important.



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by switching yard

Like I've mentioned before, perhaps on a different but related thread, one reason I buy into PID is that I spent years studying the JFK hit. There were handlers and controllers in that operation, so I know that's a real SOP. The fellow who was gunned down by Jack Rubenstein --- in my opinion, his real identity is still in question. I was never convinced that the "patsy" was in fact "Lee Harvey Oswald." The true identities of all the actors in the JFK hit "drama" remain a mystery, but that whole stage play was performed by agents playing essentially scripted roles. So, in my estimation, the JFK hit scenario is proof of manufactured or stolen identities being used in black ops...

...Not sure what black ops wanted to gain from all this, but it sure played out like a successful operation. The whole 'planted clues' thing was a major component of this operation.

...What were they trying to accomplish with the imprinted message? Further research may reveal it.


Hi Switching Yard,


Funny, when you take those few sentences from your last post and observe them independently of The Beatles, we note that it also applies to the current event provoked by the CIA's MK Ultra operations using a Mind Controlled Manchurian Candidate Assassin, and a separate patsy under the same identity. It is the case of the Giffords Shooting at the beginning of this year in which there was also the sacrificial killing of a young girl born on the very day of the destruction of the World Trade Center and who died 119 days after her birthday on 9.11 during the Giffords Shooting.


Tavistock, the CIA and Mass Mind Control are thriving still today along with the Frankist Sabbatean human ritual sacrifice component which The Beatles denounced in their "Butcher Album". It is really a bunch of SICKIES who are running that scripted mass manipulation using the public at large as the final patsies in addition to the fall guys who are either assassinated or falsely accused of having committed their crimes.


If Paul's impostor Sir Faul would have had the courtesy to leave the stage earlier - feet below or feet forward - fewer would take exception to the fact that James Paul McCartney was assassinated and replaced. For some it s a cover-up operation to ridicule PID.. For others it is out of human vanity, not ready any time soon to accept they have been duped and are still being taken for idiots with a poorly forged impostor. The ridiculously bad impersonator masquerading as Paul McCartney today is maintained where he is by the sum of such stupidities. We are of course far to clever to be fooled, we know a McCartney when we see one. This one sings old Beatles songs, what more proof do you need? Plus all the media say it is him. And his record label prints his album covers with that name on them, so he must be the real McCoy.


We are maybe only a few years away from their script taking this further yet, abusing human credulity beyond its current limits. They'll soon be telling us that the real Paul was the impostor pretending to be James Paul McCartney... So we'd indeed have a fake Paul, but it would be the one who could sing and play base and not the talentless successor. The one we know as the original would be touted as a fake up until 1967 when, at last, the one today promoted as the 'genuine article' was able to dispose of his predecessor and come to the forefront, now imposing his genuine reality as the actual true one through the media and marketing machine. Therefore he has become "the only real Paul McCartney for close to half a century" lasting from the year 1967 until circa 2011. For this the Queen should grant him Peerage or at least have him enter the Order of the Thistle (such a hack impostor being too lowly for the Order of the Garter). But then again that might not jive since the Order of the Thistle was originally a Scottish Order, and there are a number of disturbing components to the story which make that place best forgotten.



Lennon was to return to Scotland many years later bringing his wife Yoko Ono and his young children, six-year-old Julian and five-year-old Kyoko, back to Durness for a holiday in the summer of 1969. By this time, of course, Lennon was one of the wealthiest and most famous men in the world and yet he took his Scottish break with very little ceremony. . . .

Just as he had done years before Lennon and family stayed with the Parkes' in Edinburgh before heading north in an Austin Maxi, a far cry from the psychedelic Rolls Royce more commonly associated with rock stars in the late 1960's!

However, the trip was to culminate in Lennon's second cataclysmic experience on the roads of Scotland. Just as the Beatles' 1960's had begun with a Scottish car crash, so they were to end when Lennon, who had notoriously poor eyesight and who rarely drove himself, crashed the Austin Maxi on a tight Highland road.

It was a serious smash, writing off the car and leaving Lennon requiring 17 stitches for facial injuries and Yoko needing 14 in her forehead. Lennon was rushed to Lawson Memorial Hospital in Golspie, Sutherland where he was to spend five days convalescing. Ironically the peace and tranquillity of the hospital provided Lennon with a welcome break from the hectic life he was leading in 1969 the height of his celebrity and notoriety when he and Yoko were regularly front-page news with their famous 'bed-in' peace protests.

While a media frenzy was being whipped up in London around the release of Lennon's new single Give Peace A Chance, the singer himself was enjoying fresh fruit scones, home-made marmalade and line-caught salmon while reading the newspapers quietly in the secluded grounds of a Scottish hospital! On returning to London Lennon told reporters, "If you're going to have a car crash, try and arrange for it to happen in the Highlands. The hospital there was just great!"

Around the same time as Lennon's accident, over on the other side of Scotland, on the west coast, his former songwriting partner was also beginning to fall for the charms of life north of the border.

Sir Paul McCartney originally bought High Park Farm near Campbeltown in 1968 as a tax break, but he soon grew to love the atmosphere of the property with its westerly views over the Kintyre peninsula and has credited the place with helping him recover from the depression he suffered in the wake of the Beatles split. "It's like a little hideaway," McCartney said. "I love it. I love the people there. I can sort of breathe when I get up there. Breathe pure air."



SOURCE: The Beatles and Scotland


Fohn and Faul were maybe both getting their plastic surgery perfected in a remote part of Scotland? Or maybe the first Fohn Fennon had to be swapped for Fohn II, thus the simulated car crash and plastic surgery to cover-up the residual facial discrepancies of the impostor? It would be interesting to know if one of Fohn's notorious height differences occurred at that time.


The Scottish connection with the covert operation running the show from behind the scenes? We'll probably never know any more than we ever learned about why Rudolf Hess happened to fly from Hitler's bedside to Scotland asking to meet up with the Duke of Hamilton.



"Rudolf Hess was Hitler’s Deputy Fuhrer. In theory, he was the one man who could act on behalf of Adolf Hitler, should the Fuhrer be unable to act for himself." ..."Had he, in his seemingly boundless devotion to Adolf Hitler, acted on behalf of the Fuhrer and then spent the rest of his life hiding his dead leader’s secrets?" ..."He asked to be escorted to the Duke of Hamilton’s home, which was nearby. He also asked his captors if they were friends with the Duke. He said, “I have an important message for him.” ..."Churchill’s actions after the odd capture of the Deputy Fuhrer suggest that he may have had some hand in the situation as well." ..."Some conspiracy theorists say that his memories were erased."

SOURCE: Why Did Rudolf Hess Fly to Scotland?


Hess parachuted in the vicinity of Dungavel House to meet up with the Duke of Hamilton at his summer home. The future Duke was received in great pomp during Hitler's 1936 Olympics in which he participated, becoming well acquainted with many of Nazi Germany's leaders.


Dungavel House back in the days


This brings to mind the book "Was Hitler a British Agent" given that we know that the man behind The Beatles who presumably even chose their name, Aleister Crowley, was closely tied to Adolf Hitler. We also note that Hitler spent the better part of a year from 1912 to 1913 in Liverpool where his brother Alois lived from which he was most often absent according to his sister-in law. Liverpool where The Beatles were spawned and Scotland where Hess coordinated Hitler with British Royalty. We should remember that the current Royal Family are Saxe-Coburg-Gotha GERMANS who may not have been so displeased at Germanic supremacy as long as it reinforced their rule and their holdings worldwide. Dungavel House was the summer home of the Dukes of Hamilton, yet we can wonder about the reasons for choosing its current use as a detention center for foreign asylum seekers.


Detention at Dungavel House



Regarding the Scottish connection with Tavistock, The Beatles, Hitler and Crowley we can note that R.D. Laing was Scottish and from there recruited into Tavistock in Glasgow by neurosurgeon Joe Schorstein and Karl M. Abenheimer.


Joseph Schorstein: R. D. Laing's 'rabbi'


Karl M. Abenheimer is the noteworthy author of Reassessment of Theoretical and Therapeutical Meaning of Anal Symbolism which can possibly be related to Crowley's Sex Magick which allegedly opened gateways for Demonic Entities to cross over during the sodomy of young boys. Here is Laing's daughter reminiscing about her papa in the Herald Scotland:


RD Laing beat me up, claims daughter


Aleister Crowley to whom the Tavistock Operatives granted homage on the fake Beatles Album with studio recordings called Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, also had his own "Scottish Connections". He was, according to MI6 Operative Ian Flemming, involved with Hitler's "vice-Fuhrer" Rudolf Hess as is revealed .



..."in 1899 Crowley acquired Boleskine House, in Foyers on the shore of Loch Ness in Scotland. He subsequently developed a love of Scottish culture, describing himself as the "Laird of Boleskine" and took to wearing traditional highland dress, even during visits back to London.

..."During World War II, Ian Fleming and others proposed a disinformation plot in which Crowley would have helped an MI5 agent supply Nazi official Rudolf Hess with faked horoscopes. They could then pass along false information about an alleged pro-German circle in Britain. The government abandoned this plan when Hess flew to Scotland, crashing his plane on the moors near Eaglesham, and was captured. Fleming then suggested using Crowley as an interrogator to determine the influence of astrology on other Nazi leaders, but his superiors rejected this plan. At some point, Fleming also suggested that Britain could use Enochian as a code in order to plant evidence."


Wikipedia: Aleister Crowley


Regardless of what might come of this analysis, I venture to put forth that at least something in the ruling Elite's Mind Control of the unwashed masses is connected with the Royal Family and its connections to Hitler and the Occult. This remains to be analyzed in depth but is worthy of serious investigation.


Getsmart



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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*SIGH* Seems Getsmart is trying to revive this dead thread with yet more complete bullcrap. Can't be bothered rebuting it all, but I'll do a couple - for old times sake.



Originally posted by Getsmart
This brings to mind the book "Was Hitler a British Agent" given that we know that the man behind The Beatles who presumably even chose their name, Aleister Crowley, was closely tied to Adolf Hitler.




Aleister Crowley died in 1947. The Beatles were formed in 1960. So, Einstein, how the hell could Crowley be "behind The Beatles" when he had been dead for 13 years!?


Originally posted by Getsmart
We also note that Hitler spent the better part of a year from 1912 to 1913 in Liverpool where his brother Alois lived from which he was most often absent according to his sister-in law.


LOL. You take an old, unproven myth as gospel?

Perhaps the most exhaustively researched book on Hitler's years is Brigitte Hamann's Hitlers Wien: Lehrjahre eines Diktators, published in English as Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship by the Oxford University Press. Much of the book is historiographical, as Dr. Hamann debunks many myths concerning Hitler's early life. Her work has received rave reviews (Hans Mommsen said that it made all other studies of Hitler's youth "redundant") and is highly recommended.

In her book, Hamann writes of Hitler's sister-in-law's story about the purported Liverpool visit - November 1912, to April 1913 (certainly not the "better part of a year" as you foolishly claim.

Hamann states that Hitler in fact stayed at a particular men's hostel in Vienna from February 1910 until May 1913. Hamann reached this conclusion by conducting research at several Austrian archives and locating the registration forms that under Habsburg law each city resident had to fill out when changing address or leaving the country (in fact, one of Hitler's registration forms is actually reproduced in the book). In this way, she was able to find precise dates of Hitler's comings and goings before he finally moved to Germany on 25 May 1913.

Instead of coming on here to post half-baked, ill-informed and patently untrue nonsense, try doing some research first.


You are a total embarrassment.
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posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Whao Nellie!

It's been a while. It took that long to come up with this gibberish?

John has a car accident in Scotland and that somehow ties in with Rudolf Hess and Aleister Crowley? Events happening years apart but in the same geographic area are proof of a connection? Man, you are the greatest gift to the PIA side. Please keep posting and often.

Next you'll be telling us that Paul is actually the clone of a female World War II spy.

And, LOL, like Dakudo, I would like to hear how a guy who died in 1947 managed to help put together the Beatles more than a decade later.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by edmond dantes


And, LOL, like Dakudo, I would like to hear how a guy who died in 1947 managed to help put together the Beatles more than a decade later.


Maybe.....







posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dakudo

Aleister Crowley died in 1947. The Beatles were formed in 1960. So, Einstein, how the hell could Crowley be "behind The Beatles" when he had been dead for 13 years!?


As the satanic 'spiritual father' of Tavistock having aided this Institute in furthering its experiments in creating demonic Alters for British Military Intelligence Mind Control operations performed on its secret agents infiltrating Nazi Germany, Crowley was well positioned as a key persona in this community with an oversight role. Call it rubbish as you will deny anything anyone says who doesn't agree with you that your lame Impostor is not the person he impersonates.


Crowley had an obsession with the Mystical powers of the Egyptian Sacred Scarab. The BEETLE was one of the most powerful propagators ... using DUNG just like today's Movie and Music Industries propagate mental oblivion using pseudo-cultural garbage. It is my contention that Crowley laid the groundwork for such a group of
propagators to take on the Occult Role of Sacred BEATLES who were glorified accordingly.


After the assassination of the originals, it was in my own humble artistic estimation, indeed DUNG which was used to propagate the occult Mind Control message to warp people's view of our world and leading to the ultimate goal of Aleister Crowley, the UNLEASHING OF LEGIONS OF DEMONS by opening portals of Hell in HELTER SKELTER, something which the perverse impersonator you so revere - Sir FAUL - promoted by propagating such DUNG in his recording HELTER SKELTER.



Originally posted by Getsmart
We also note that Hitler spent the better part of a year from 1912 to 1913 in Liverpool where his brother Alois lived from which he was most often absent according to his sister-in law.


Originally posted by Dakudo

LOL. You take an old, unproven myth as gospel?


I am entitled to believe Hitler's own sister-in-law's account of his visit. I see no reason why she would have lied about this. Stating otherwise goes against logic. You can split A$$ hairs over the number of months Hitler spent in Liverpool but that proves nothing more than your pettiness.



Originally posted by Dakudo

Perhaps the most exhaustively researched book on Hitler's years is Brigitte Hamann's Hitlers Wien: Lehrjahre eines Diktators, published in English as Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship by the Oxford University Press. Much of the book is historiographical, as Dr. Hamann debunks many myths concerning Hitler's early life. Her work has received rave reviews (Hans Mommsen said that it made all other studies of Hitler's youth "redundant") and is highly recommended.

In her book, Hamann writes of Hitler's sister-in-law's story about the purported Liverpool visit - November 1912, to April 1913 (certainly not the "better part of a year" as you foolishly claim.

Hamann states that Hitler in fact stayed at a particular men's hostel in Vienna from February 1910 until May 1913. Hamann reached this conclusion by conducting research at several Austrian archives and locating the registration forms that under Habsburg law each city resident had to fill out when changing address or leaving the country (in fact, one of Hitler's registration forms is actually reproduced in the book). In this way, she was able to find precise dates of Hitler's comings and goings before he finally moved to Germany on 25 May 1913.


Didn't you know that Hitler, once he moved into Austria, sought out and methodically destroyed any evidence of his past and his childhood which might be found anywhere ? This is allegedly one reason why his former friend he used to frequent and paint small pictures with for sale to tourists met with an untimely end, to silence him. I have serious doubts that such a methodical enterprise with the assistance of reliable and extremely effective Nazi intelligence operatives would have left his hotel registration cards intact in place. I am allowed my doubts about this alleged evidence, especially as you state that a single such card is presented as proof. Obviously from your lofty authority over all things you may never have heard about Historical Revision ? Especially not when dealing with something so mundane as Hitler's ties to British operatives. Of didn't you read that other authoritative book "Hitler was a British Agent" ?



Originally posted by Dakudo

Instead of coming on here to post half-baked, ill-informed and patently untrue nonsense, try doing some research first.

You are a total embarrassment.


Just because you don't like my taters doesn't make them half baked. Just because my information doesn't concur with yours doens't make me ill-informed. Just because you choose to believe that your Goat is a Mockingbird (reference to Faul and Paul) doesn't make my observations "patently untrue nonsense".


I have done quite a lot of research about many topics you couldn't blow a fart at, so verify your statements before you wind up 'embarrassing yourself'.


Getsmart



edit on 20-3-2011 by Getsmart because: Paul is Dead = May he REST IN PEACE



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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I think dakudo et al doth protest too much. What alot of effort they go to.

I value your efforts GetSmart and friends and am persuaded that paul
and the other beatles were replaced.
I wonder about all the cryptic lyrics and clues associated with the
beatle productions after 1965. Who is responsible and why?
Is it a case of the powers that be showing their far-reaching hand in open view, the over-arching solution being accessable to only the most talented, intelligent and devoted of researchers?
Solution To Sergeant Pepper seems to be so deep and all-encompassing that the puzzle is almost beyond the work of mortal man. It certainly seems beyond the wits of what i have seen and heard from Faul.
I have great difficulty following or understanding most of it, but i am new to this topic. It certainly seems to lead to places out of this world.
Combining this with the luciferian/reptilian/cloning/new world/soul reaving theories brings me shivers.
I value your work greatly Getsmart and believe you to be one of the most talented, caring and genuine people around.
Do you have anymore information or leads on the Bob Dylan replacement speculations, as previosly hinted at.
I have been a long time fan and find this also v. disturbing.

high regards,
pshea.

p.s. Dakudo doesn't half come across as having a very similar writing style to that other
notorious debunker Weedwhacker(weedywacker).



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Getsmart

Originally posted by Dakudo

Aleister Crowley died in 1947. The Beatles were formed in 1960. So, Einstein, how the hell could Crowley be "behind The Beatles" when he had been dead for 13 years!?


As the satanic 'spiritual father' of Tavistock having aided this Institute in furthering its experiments in creating demonic Alters for British Military Intelligence Mind Control operations performed on its secret agents infiltrating Nazi Germany, Crowley was well positioned as a key persona in this community with an oversight role. Call it rubbish as you will deny anything anyone says who doesn't agree with you that your lame Impostor is not the person he impersonates.


Crowley had an obsession with the Mystical powers of the Egyptian Sacred Scarab. The BEETLE was one of the most powerful propagators ... using DUNG just like today's Movie and Music Industries propagate mental oblivion using pseudo-cultural garbage. It is my contention that Crowley laid the groundwork for such a group of
propagators to take on the Occult Role of Sacred BEATLES who were glorified accordingly.


After the assassination of the originals, it was in my own humble artistic estimation, indeed DUNG which was used to propagate the occult Mind Control message to warp people's view of our world and leading to the ultimate goal of Aleister Crowley, the UNLEASHING OF LEGIONS OF DEMONS by opening portals of Hell in HELTER SKELTER, something which the perverse impersonator you so revere - Sir FAUL - promoted by propagating such DUNG in his recording HELTER SKELTER.


Ignoring the copious amounts of ridiculous nonsense in that 'reply' - you still haven't substantiated your stuPID claim:


Originally posted by Getsmart
This brings to mind the book "Was Hitler a British Agent" given that we know that the man behind The Beatles who presumably even chose their name, Aleister Crowley, was closely tied to Adolf Hitler.


Simply posting more ludicrous, unsubstantiated gibberish as an 'answer' doesn't fool anybody with half a brain.



Originally posted by Getsmart
We also note that Hitler spent the better part of a year from 1912 to 1913 in Liverpool where his brother Alois lived from which he was most often absent according to his sister-in law.


Originally posted by Dakudo

LOL. You take an old, unproven myth as gospel?



Originally posted by GetsmartI am entitled to believe Hitler's own sister-in-law's account of his visit. I see no reason why she would have lied about this. Stating otherwise goes against logic.


You don't know the first thing about "logic"! Your posts prove that.

I see a reason why she would lie - and it's very logical:

Most historians dismiss the work as being a fabrication written in an attempt to cash in on her famous relation.

There is no evidence Hitler ever visited his relatives in Liverpool. Professor Robert Waite refutes her claims that Adolf Hitler had stayed with her as well as most of the rest of her book in the appendix to his book The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler. According to David Gardiner, Bridget's daughter-in-law has said Bridget admitted to her that the book was fanciful.

But hey - you keep believing a claim with no supporting evidence whatsoever simply because you want to believe it.


Originally posted by Dakudo

Perhaps the most exhaustively researched book on Hitler's years is Brigitte Hamann's Hitlers Wien: Lehrjahre eines Diktators, published in English as Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship by the Oxford University Press. Much of the book is historiographical, as Dr. Hamann debunks many myths concerning Hitler's early life. Her work has received rave reviews (Hans Mommsen said that it made all other studies of Hitler's youth "redundant") and is highly recommended.

In her book, Hamann writes of Hitler's sister-in-law's story about the purported Liverpool visit - November 1912, to April 1913 (certainly not the "better part of a year" as you foolishly claim.

Hamann states that Hitler in fact stayed at a particular men's hostel in Vienna from February 1910 until May 1913. Hamann reached this conclusion by conducting research at several Austrian archives and locating the registration forms that under Habsburg law each city resident had to fill out when changing address or leaving the country (in fact, one of Hitler's registration forms is actually reproduced in the book). In this way, she was able to find precise dates of Hitler's comings and goings before he finally moved to Germany on 25 May 1913.



Didn't you know that Hitler, once he moved into Austria, sought out and methodically destroyed any evidence of his past and his childhood which might be found anywhere ?


Please quote a source which proves he destroyed ALL evidence of his past.


This is allegedly one reason why his former friend he used to frequent and paint small pictures with for sale to tourists met with an untimely end, to silence him.


Complete nonsense - as usual!

If this were true, why did Hitler allow his friend, August Kubizek, to live?

Kubizek and Hitler first met while competing for standing room in the Landestheater in Linz, Austria. Because of their shared passion for the operas of Richard Wagner they quickly became close friends and later roommates in Vienna while both sought admission into college. The two shared a small room in Stumpergasse 29/2 door 17 in the sixth district of Vienna from 22 February to early July 1908.

Once again, getsmart, your crazy claims are exposed by simple facts.


I have done quite a lot of research about many topics you couldn't blow a fart at, so verify your statements before you wind up 'embarrassing yourself'.


LOL! This, coming from someone who posts one UNVERIFIED, ludicrous claim after another!


edit on 21-3-2011 by Dakudo because: Paul is ALIVE = May he ROCK IN PEACE



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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As the satanic 'spiritual father' of Tavistock having aided this Institute in furthering its experiments in creating demonic Alters for British Military Intelligence Mind Control operations performed on its secret agents infiltrating Nazi Germany, Crowley was well positioned as a key persona in this community with an oversight role. Call it rubbish as you will deny anything anyone says who doesn't agree with you that your lame Impostor is not the person he impersonates.

Crowley had an obsession with the Mystical powers of the Egyptian Sacred Scarab. The BEETLE was one of the most powerful propagators ... using DUNG just like today's Movie and Music Industries propagate mental oblivion using pseudo-cultural garbage. It is my contention that Crowley laid the groundwork for such a group of
propagators to take on the Occult Role of Sacred BEATLES who were glorified accordingly.

After the assassination of the originals, it was in my own humble artistic estimation, indeed DUNG which was used to propagate the occult Mind Control message to warp people's view of our world and leading to the ultimate goal of Aleister Crowley, the UNLEASHING OF LEGIONS OF DEMONS by opening portals of Hell in HELTER SKELTER, something which the perverse impersonator you so revere - Sir FAUL - promoted by propagating such DUNG in his recording HELTER SKELTER.


Holy cow! Talk about Dung.

Dakudo, he never did answer your question or back it up. He says "It is my contention..." and "in my own humble artistic estimation..." It shows that there is no proof or evidence; these are merely his opinions and beliefs. And just what are Get Smart's artistic credentials?

Crowly had an obsession with the mystical powers of the Egyptian Sacred Scarab. So have tens of thousands of other people. So what? That is a far cry from his being involved in picking the name of The Beatles.

And, good job, Dakudo of blowing apart his contention that Hitler visited England. That myth has been debunked many times over.

In 1912-13 Hitler was actually in Austria, in a refuge. The hostels kept careful records, and don't record the 5-month absence required to support the 1930's story. They do record his other absences, which unfortunately don't tie in. Furthermore, an eyewitness places him in the hostel in February 1913, right in the middle of his alleged trip to Liverpool.

And, Hilter, in all of his speeches and writings never made mention of this period in Liverpool. Given the propaganda possibilities, he certainly would have mentioned this at some point.

Funny that GS' only source is a sister-in-law trying to make money capitalizing on Hitler's fame in '40-'41. Historians have been highly critical of her memoir, feeling there are far too many discrepancies (not just with the Liverpool episode) to take seriously. There is absolutely no hard evidence backing up her story, but there is hard evidence proving the story to be false.


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