What kind of vehicle should I choose for a bug out vehicle?, page 3
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reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 02:25 AM by Binder
As you can tell from my screen name, I'm very partial to Internationals. My bug out truck is a '76 IHC Scout II. Lovingly known as a "corn binder" because of the relation to international farm equipment. Most people shorten this to just binder. The Scout IIs were built between 1972, and 1980. The stock 345 engine is unstoppable, and you don't need a lot of mechanical know how to keep it running. It will easily pull a 5000 lb+ load. With 5 or 6 inches of suspension lift, no spring over, and no blocks. The proper way is to re-arch the springs. Throw on a set of 33x12.50 tires, locker in the rear axel (no front locker, it can cause steering issues when off roading, and end you up on your top or back side) and make all the Jeep, and Range Rover guys cry like toddlers who just lost their balloon at the fair. I've run the rubicon with this rig twice, and only had to use the winch once. I've played all over moab, and hardly spun a tire. I have less than $5K tied up in the truck, and it routinely out performs vehicles with five times as much money invested in them. It is built like a tank, and after adding a roll bar it would easily survive a roll over, and be driveable. The body design lends itself easily to internal armor plating to stay low profile. The double box, fully welded, full length ladder frame is virtually indestructable. It isn't built like a big car which is how 99% of every other SUV is built. It is built like a small commercial truck. It is more stable, and much more powerful than a Jeep CJ or wrangler. It is much more off road capable than a discovery with about 20 deg better approach angle, and about 10 deg better departure angle. The undercarriage has no rock magnets. In other words all the drive line components set above the frame rail so your chances of high centering are almost nil. If you do think you might high center and it's a short obstacle hit the gas and plow over it without too much worry about damaging a component hanging down. The only thing that can catch is the propeller shaft or the differential housing. Ever see a Range Rover frame skid? It ain't purdy. Plus if you do it right when arching the spring for the lift, you'll have about 28 to 32 inches of articulation. My binder ramps 34 inches with a few "special" mods, but 28" of articulation should be easily achievable. This means I can overcome an obstacle almost 3 feet high and maintain traction. The only rigs that out climb a binder built right, are one-off custom rigs with well over $50K in them. If you don't believe me U2U me, and we'll go wheelin'!!
My second choice would be the late 80s 4-Runner. I had one with the 22RE, and a few suspension mods, and the previous poster was right it will go anywhere as long a you have 3 wheels on the ground. The 22RE is not underpowered. It is just not fast. It will pull the world you just can't be in a hurry to do it.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 02:46 PM by Arrowmancer
The answer is exceeding obvious!

A retired Police Interceptor. There's plenty of room to haul things around, though not exceedingly so. They are quite a bit more fuel efficient than a 4WD, usually extremely well maintained, broken in, rediculously easy to work on and disguisable.

The retirement dates on the Interceptors vary. You may be thinking I'm nuts, but listen up.

For a sedan, they have a fair amount of ground clearance. Provided you protect the radiator, they'll theoretically run forever. These vehicles are designed for constant use and to be beat up. IF you take the time and learn to drive off-road, you'll realize that 4wd on a vehicle is for emergency use only. You drive until you're stuck, then you put her in 4 and climb out. If you learn to drive off-road, it will be a rare moment when you get stuck. But in a Police Interceptor, there' a handy ram mount on the forward bumper that can be easily (and cheaply) modified to fit a winch. Same function and far more reliable and has quite a bit more uses than a secondary drive system.

The car itself shouldn't cost over $3,000 US (this is primarily for American's bug-out vehicle). The mods to get her off-road worthy will run around $2,000 if you buy new. This includes the winch. Many cruisers are already fitted with side-plating and bulletproof glass (if you purchase from specific cities.) They are powerful, handle well provided they are maintained properly, and should suit any need you could have for them.
Watch out for the air-intake system, though. For some reason, the manufacturers think that these Interceptors won't ever see flooding.

[edit on 20-9-2009 by Arrowmancer]


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:11 AM by Mortimer452
My BOV is a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee. 4.5" lift, 33x12.50 tires, 5.2L V8. Not the greatest choice but I needed a new car, and just kept this one around as a "spare" for when we have one in the shop. Now it's just my off-road toy and BOV.

If you're looking to buy something specifically as your BOV, here's some things I would consider:

How many people are you taking with you? (BIGGEST question!)

IMO, you want something that can carry 4-5 people PLUS all your gear. It may start out as just you & your wife, or just you, but there may be friends or family members at your house when SHTF, or nearby begging for help, you may feel obligated to help them. If not, then you've got room for more gear. If you get a pickup make sure it has a bed cover, topper, something to keep the weather & thieves out.

You want something that can carry all your people plus all your gear, without a trailer. Trailer is a bad idea. Ditch the trailer. It cuts down on your maneuverability big-time in navigating the obviously congested roadways during SHTF. Cuts down on your fuel economy and leaves lots of gear open to theft just sitting there on the trailer. Personally, if it were me, I plan on sticking to the back roads, and when I encounter traffic I'm just driving through the grass/ditch/mud/field and going around. Can't drive through a mud bog with a trailer.

Diesel is better on longevity, dependability and mileage. Once you've made it to your hidey-hole you can make your own diesel with vegetable oil, or maybe convert to WVO (waste vegetable oil). That being said tho I think diesel will be one of the first things to disappear during SHTF. Gasoline is far, far more prevalent and available in America. YMMV. Around here at least, if I randomly selected 10 gas stations around town only one or two of them would even carry diesel.

Alot of people are bagging on Jeeps here but I think they're great. Short wheelbase provides great maneuverability, there are LOTS of them on the road to scavenge for parts, and pretty easy to fix yourself. 70's model CJ's are the best. My 1995 Grand Cherokee has been through hell and back, twice, and hasn't broken or got stuck yet with over 160k on the clock.
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