Originally posted by mental modulator
Dude it sound to me like you are defending people you don't know, I mean at the top you may be defending a couple Saudi's, a one eyed Russian and a
Liberal for all you know.
HEll man I pay into the GD system, I don't go to the doctor ever, so why can't my fricking money be applied to D's wife and baby? Why do we both
have to pay for the bloated pig machine, why can't we just pay for the damn COST, nothing more nothing less? We aren't talking a new car, a night on
the town, cheeseburger or a trip somewhere, a bottle of water, a movie... Isn't there enough room out there to make ALLLLLL the money anyone could
ever spend. There is a distinction aravoth, I don't care if the point is to adhere to objectivism, the world is an oyster, spread forth and make a
Trillion dollars for all I care, but this clam is not to be shucked.
Your disagreement is ideological, but right now ideas need to take a back seat to implications. A good business man will not find a new venture to
invest in, it is the nature of business, we are the people and in this one case we should come first!
And Looters??? How does D having a strong opinion, a new family and an uncertain world ahead have to do with looting? I think you are defending the
looters frankly.
[edit on 19-9-2009 by mental modulator]
I know these people, I work in a major hospital. I know the work flow, I know the cost, and I know exactly how the Government subsidizes over 60% of
the healthcare industry already. In fact in my hospital alone, over 70% of all cases are paid for by the Feds. By you and me. And I am not talking
about snivels either. I am talking about Birth, and open heart surgery.
The title of this thread admits disdain for insurance companies and I agree with the original poster that a majority of the Insurance companies in the
US are a pain in the ass. And they get that way, when the government re-imburses them. Or when the government subsidizes a majority of their cost.
The ridiculous notion about "universal" healthcare, is that Insurance companies are afraid of it. This propagandized statement is a lie, and about
as divisive as a it gets. The company I work for is the largest health provider of it's kind in the United States. It also has the largest lobby
among healthcare companies in the United States. Do you know what it lobbies for?
Universal Coverage for all Americans, that's what it lobbies for. In fact we routinely have government "officials" in our facilities watching how
our organization works. I already know exactly what our National healthcare system will be. Because I already work in it. If you knew what I know
about this company, you would not want this.
This nationalized healthcare system is not about the people VS. The Corporations. It's about Government colluding with insurance companies and
private HMO's to deliver health coverage. If you think Insurance companies are raking in millions now. Wait until every single working man woman and
child are forced to pay for healthcare by government mandate. These companies will do to socialized medicine exactly what they did to Medicare. They
will charge the maximum amount, they will charge for procedures that do not exist, if you think fraud is bad now, wait until this thing passes.
Supporting this, is supporting corporatism. Why this is so hard for people to understand is beyond me. The healthcare lobby are the ones that created
this proposed system. You really think a bunch of people in congress wrote it? They don't have the knowledge of either medicine, or of insurance to
write such a bill. They have no idea what conditions are more severe than others, or how to triage. How then are they going to explain what is covered
and how? They aren't. The lobbyist that paid them all off will take care of all of that for them. And the company he works for (the one I work for)
is going to get unbelievably rich from it. But the catch is, patient load will increase dramatically, Doctors at my hospital all ready have a patient
to MD ratio of 3,600 patients, to one doctor. And now we are going to ask them to handle a lot more than that, for a lot less money.
This will not end well.
Healthcare is not a car. You don't just park it on the side of the road and hop in whenever you need to go somewhere. Healthcare is comprised of
people, not machine parts. Everyone already has a right to get healthcare, it's what bankrupts hospitals all the time. I understand David's
frustration with the cost of having a child. I have two children. And the first was born by emergency c-section. I know all about the cost, believe
me. But if you think that is expensive, wait until your paying for everyone else's, every single month, when corporations are forcing the government
to pay more and more by increasing the costs incrementally. They've done it before, I'm sure they will do it again. Matter of fact, My company
routinely charges someone with medicare coverage the maximum, while a person with private insurance gets charged much less for the same issue.
Something to think about. It isn't what it seems.
[edit on 19-9-2009 by aravoth]
I'm sure there were people on the waiting list in his home state
and Tennessee who were ahead of him. Money talks. 
