Originally posted by kingswillquiver
Sounds like black magic to me.
Do you think this practice pleases God, is that what you are saying.
From what I've read on the subject, drinking out of the skull is required to become 33rd Degree. I guess that about the time they've got your
Sounds nothing to me like "becoming a better man", as the Masons would have us believe.
The Celtic culture and their religious practices predated the Christian God. They did not worship a Christian God but had their own Gods that they
When the Catholic Church saw fit to convert these pagan Celtic peoples, they adopted many of the Celtic Religious Rites into their own Christian
Religious Practices. One of these being the Ritual Transubstantiation of the Eucharist.
To mimic the Merovingian & Celtic practice of Transubstantiation using a Grail, the Skull of a Saint, and Wine, the Catholics used a Chalice symbolic
of the one used in the Last Supper, and the Wine as the Blood. Both the Ritual and the Symbolism is identical to the Merovingian practice.
So, if you think that such a practice is un-Christian, yet still take Christian Communion, then you are doing the *EXACT*
The only difference is that drinking the Christian Eucharist of Wine from the Transubstantiation is taking the Blood of Christ into your body, whereas
drinking the Merovingian Eucharist of Wine from the Transubstantiation is taking the Blood of Dagobert (or whomever Saint's skull was used) in their
Even though Christians aren't pagan Celts, they still practice this pagan Celtic ritual in almost every Christian Church that uses the Eucharist.
Although the Skull & Crossbones that is used as a symbol in Freemasonry does come from the spiritual child of a dead Merovingian princess named
"Yse" as explained in their 33rd Degree Initiation...the symbolic practice of the taking Transubstantiation in the manner the Merovingians did, as
opposed to the Eucharist of the Latin Missae, would have indeed come by way of the Templar Degrees.
"[a] great lady of Maraclea [Yse] was loved by a Templar, a Lord of Sidon; but she died in her youth, and on the night of her burial, this wicked
lover crept to the grave, dug up her body and violated it. Then a voice from the void bade him return in nine months time for he would find a son. He
obeyed the injunction and at the appointed time he opened the grave again and found a head on the leg bones of the skeleton (skull and crossbones).
The same voice bade him 'guard it well, for it would be the giver of all good things', and so he carried it away with him."
- Ward, Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods
I have never taken the 33rd Degree myself, so I cannot speak from personal experience, but the 33rd Degree Initiation Ceremony described in the book
"33Rd Degree Freemason Initiation-Deadly Deception
by Jim Shaw, wherein the following is described:
One of the Conductors then handed the "candidate" a human skull, upside down, with wine in it. "May this wine I now drink become a deadly poison
to me, as the Hemlock juice drunk by Socrates, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate the same" (the oath). He then drank the wine. A skeleton
(one of the brothers dressed like one - he looked very convincing) then stepped out of the shadows and threw his arms around the "candidate." Then
he (and we) continued the sealing of the obligation by saying, "And may these cold arms forever encircle me should I ever knowingly or willfully
violate the same."
does not appear in any versions of the 33rd Degree Ritual that I have seen in other published sources.
This would seem to be a Penal Oath though, so if this is what is being referred to, then the Skull is representative of the Morbidity of the Vow. That
if one violates their sacred Oath, they will be punished by becoming like the skull...i.e., dead.
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[edit on 18-9-2009 by fraterormus]