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Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
The government IS the threat
So, I would like to ask ATS members for some genuine help in identifying this sub-culture of the left. I think most would agree that it could have something to do with "Obama worship" (real worship, not just support), maybe socialism (real socialism), perhaps even people to the left of Obama - who think Obama is too conservative? And there might possibly be a religious element?? I know there are some children who sang songs about Obama when he was elected. I know there are people who back Obama no matter what he does. I don't know of a socialist, Marxist or Communist organization pushing that agenda to any degree...
Part of that reported increase in investigated threats is undoubtedly due to an increase in actual threats; but part of it is almost certainly due to an increase in threats which get reported by the media and are therefore brought to the Secret Service’s attention.
Originally posted by itscoming
...is that, we're only supposed to identify a sub-culture or extremists. What if the sub-culture and extremists have hijacked the democratic party?
Without God, guns and country...would this nation ever have existed?
I think most people that come from the end of the spectrum where I reside would agree with me. The problem for us is that a large, but invisible, revolution happened...and a shot was never fired. The culture, the media, and most importantly, education was overrun by people who actively sought to undermine the values upon which this country was founded.
I love my country. I love its history. Though we weren't, and still aren't, perfect, we have always been the best. I think (hope) most people agree.
Just for posterity's and accuracy's sake: anyone who hurts/hates/kills/or otherwise does bad things in the name of their cause is the problem. We should all be working towards maximizing freedom and liberty.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Here's a whole government report on "Left-Wing Extremism" from April 2001. It's in PDF form.
Then there's the Weather Underground.
Here's a paper on the status of "Leftist Terrorism" post Soviet collapse. It goes into "single-issue" terrorism we see from groups like ALF.
It's all just a bunch of idiots with violent tendencies gravitating around some "issue" they feel they can relate to or one that they feel will excuse the violent acts they already feel compelled to make. They're everywhere.
Not everyone affiliated with an issue that some nut is affiliated with is a nut just as not every nut is affiliated with an issue.
To pretend it doesnt exist where you fancy yourself to be is naive. To pretend that the violence that does exist where you fancy yourself to live is somehow more noble than the others or justified over the others makes you a nut by proxy.
Google news "leftist violence" and get fingers being bitten off, windows smashed, Molotov's thrown and Google "rightist violence" and you get the same kind of crap.
[edit on 18-9-2009 by thisguyrighthere]
Originally posted by itscoming
Without God, guns and country...would this nation ever have existed?
Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I don't know how many here are old enough to remember the late 60s and 70s.
I don't think these guys have changed their stripes and are no friends of our Republic or capitalism.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't think these guys have changed their stripes and are no friends of our Republic or capitalism.
It will be interesting to see if I agree or disagree with this statement once I'm done researching. Because I'm not crazy about how our Republic or our experiment in capitalism is going these days, either.
Thank you for this valuable input!
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
ACORN is an excellent answer! I didn't even think about them.