First of all, thank you to the OP for this topic. After the original post, www.abovetopsecret.com...
post is much appreciated.
The problem I have with the original premise...
So, I would like to ask ATS members for some genuine help in identifying this sub-culture of the left. I think most would agree that it could have
something to do with "Obama worship" (real worship, not just support), maybe socialism (real socialism), perhaps even people to the left of Obama -
who think Obama is too conservative? And there might possibly be a religious element?? I know there are some children who sang songs about Obama when
he was elected. I know there are people who back Obama no matter what he does. I don't know of a socialist, Marxist or Communist organization pushing
that agenda to any degree...
...is that, we're only supposed to identify a sub-culture or extremists. What if the sub-culture and extremists have hijacked the democratic party?
I am as right wing as they come. Without going into the litany, I love God, guns and my country. One would think that the left wing would love God,
guns and country too, but just have different ideas about how to govern. Without God, guns and country...would this nation ever have existed?
I don't think that's the case. Somewhere along the way, in my humble opinion, the democratic party was hijacked BY the sub-culture extremists.
I'm not talking about the rank-in-file members, I'm talking about the establishment.
I think most people that come from the end of the spectrum where I reside would agree with me. The problem for us is that a large, but invisible,
revolution happened...and a shot was never fired. The culture, the media, and most importantly, education was overrun by people who actively sought
to undermine the values upon which this country was founded. (Google "frankfurt school")
So, to the OP's original question...Who? I would say, the left IS the sub-culture. And to its credit, the sub-culture has supplanted the
Now, political correctness, environmentalism, multi-culturalism, and Big Brother's solutions to society's problems ARE the establishment. What
possible sub-culture could exist? The exiles in this country are me and my brethren; and we have been for a long time. GWB and GHWB were no friends
of mine. And even though I loved Reagan, he really didn't do anything to roll the revolution back.
But I digress.
I love my country. I love its history. Though we weren't, and still aren't, perfect, we have always been the best. I think (hope) most people
The left-wing extremists and the sub-culture are the ones who wish to change this country from what the founding documents intended.
Finally, back to my original point, and in response to the OP's question: Their is no left-wing sub-culture. The left-wing is
sub-culture. And to make my point: the environmentalists, unions, media, education and anyone who doesn't believe Big Brother is the
solution...vote for (D)emocrats. All the rest of us either vote for 3rd parties or hold our noses and vote for (R)epublicans.
If you haven't already done so, please do your own research on Gramsci, Marcuse, and Adorno to see if I'm right. Did the left-wing extremists win a
loooooooong time ago?
Just for posterity's and accuracy's sake: anyone who hurts/hates/kills/or otherwise does bad things in the name of their cause is the problem. We
be working towards maximizing freedom and liberty.
[edit on 18-9-2009 by itscoming]