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Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by Eurisko2012
What I have cited is FACT, not partisan theory, such as you jus presented here.
A scientific study was done, these are the results, quoting the standard GOP line of BS is not helpful, nor does it lend any merit to your silly statement.
Originally posted by harvib
I am trying to understand as I am not a statistician. Doesn't a statement like the one above mean isolating causation? If so how was this done? What assumptions must be accurate in order for the model to be accurate? What if a variable is dependent on another variable (i.e. unemployment vs. likelihood of insurance).
Also if I am reading this correctly being unemployed also leads to a 40% increased probability of death, being black leads to a 32% increase, being male leads to a 37% increase. The model most certainly can't lead one to reasonably believe that those variables are the direct cause of death as the article infers about being uninsured. Can it?
Edit to add: I hope I am not coming across as antagonistic or argumentative, I am genuinely trying to understand. I have just always been under the impression that for statistics to accurately predict causation that certain accurate assumptions must be made. However I am ready to stand corrected.
Originally posted by stevegmu
Really? You do know Dr.David Himmelstein is a founder and spokesperson for Physicians for a National Health Program, correct? Shocker, his study happens to back up his cause...
So, take the 37%. If you are male it would say you have a 37% increased likelihood of death before 65. A more illustrative example would be to say that for every 100 females that die before 65, 137 males would. Do you find that surprising? Thought it was well-known.
are people surprised that lack of effective health care (e.g., preventative approaches) leads to greater chance of death?
Originally posted by harvib
It is well known. However my point is that being male is probably not the direct cause of the early death. The root cause must still be identified. And it may be a little irresponsible to state that being male leads to an increased probability of an early death because using the word leads indicates that being male is the cause, and as you point out in your next statement there is most likely an explanation to why the study shows an increased probability of an early death associated with being male.
Did the study evaluate the effects of lack of health care? I believe it didn't. This is the problem I have with the interpretation of the study. The authors of the study are trying to assign lack of insurance as the cause of an early death. The study seems to show nothing of the sort.
You're just obfuscating
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by metamagic
Not a myth. Truth.
Canadians are getting on airplanes and flying down to Texas
for surgery as we speak.
As a matter of fact there are companies in Canada who arrange
it. That's all they do. Arrange the airline tickets, hotel reservations,
the hospital appointments, recovery and the flight back to Canada
where they were told to wait.....wait.....wait.....did you die yet?...
.....wait.....wait.....What?! You flew to Texas for surgery!? Why??? --
Timely Medical Link - Great Waiting Times! - CHS-
-Medical tourism in Canada- Google search will point you toward the
A "waiting list" is a list that patients are enrolled in once they opt to pursue an elective procedure, assuming that they cannot get this procedure performed immediately. In Canada, waiting lists do NOT exist for emergency procedures. It is a myth that Canadians with serious, life-threatening illnesses are enrolled on a waiting list before they can receive life-saving therapies.
Opponents of the Canadian healthcare system commonly conjure up the image of hordes of Canadians crossing the border to receive healthcare in the U.S. due to long waiting lists. Yet, the studies that have been done on this issue do not support the legitimacy of this idea.
In sum, the number of Canadians receiving care in the U.S. appears to be extremely low compared to the amount of care that Canadians receive in Canada. There does exist a group of Canadians who come to America 1) To receive therapies not approved in Canada; 2) To avoid long waiting lines; and 3) Because of limited capacity in Canada in certain technologies. However, these Canadians are by far the exception, not the rule.
There is a small minority of Canadians who receive care in the U.S., and even a smaller minority who specifically come to the U.S. to receive care. The idea that hordes of Canadians cross the border to avoid waiting lists is a myth.