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Obama Tosses an Ally Overboard --and We Get Zip

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by plumranch
 


I have to agree with the OP on this.

I have no idea what's going to happen with this.

The last time I tried to see into the future, the women in their locker room caught me.

But like the locker room incident, this won't end well.





It's a quid pro quo.
Just like the North Korean deal with Bill Clinton.
We don't find out for a few months what the other side of the
deal was. Wasn't there a secret memo about this a few months ago?
We will take away Polands missiles if you agree to .......???




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 


Maybe you forgot but Russia backs rogue nations like oh Iran, and we just found out they have the abilty to put a satelite into space... Kudos to them, but it is that hard to modify that Rocket into an ICBM and added a nuke to it.


**PFFFT** PLEASE!!...


Russia would sell missiles and nuclear centerfuges directly to the U.S.A....
IF they American Gov't/Military wanted them. LOL.


They are not playing favourites.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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We don't find out for a few months what the other side of the
deal was.



King of the South will make a deal with the King of the North Both these kings hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table;
Jerome

While returning to his land with great riches, his heart shall be moved against the holy covenant; so he shall do damage and return to his own land (Daniel 11:28).



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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Russia unlikely to offer concessions in response to U.S. halting of missile shield

www.latimes.com...

With missile move, Obama hands Russia a gift
www.reuters.com...

From The Times
September 18, 2009
Obama scraps Star Wars and gambles on Russia

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Russia drops Kaliningrad missile threat

www.bangkokpost.com...


Russian officials have said throughout the missile-shield dispute that Moscow was planning countermeasures, while remaining vague about the details.

Moscow is pursuing an ambitious, costly plan to replace its Soviet-era long-range missile arsenal, and the military has said that a key part of the plan is adapting the missiles to overcome US defences.


www.nytimes.com...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Im from Poland and i live here


for me this shield was stupid idea anyway we have enough bad blood with ruskies.

As for politicans here they are all retards all these years after war and they still calling names for "Katyń".

its like ruskies say poland signed pact with garmans right before war (dont remeber about what) Putin says that days before 70 anniversary of ww2.
Other exaple few years back . We block meat import from russia they turn off our gas pipe


its like 2 kinds in sandbox.
bunch of loons



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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U.S., NATO, Russia Missile Shield Backed by Rasmussen (Update3)
www.bloomberg.com...
By James G. Neuger


Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- NATO and the U.S. will consider linking up their planned missile-defense shields with a Russian system as part of a “new beginning” in East-West relations, alliance Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.

In an initiative to flank President Barack Obama’s policy of “resetting” ties with the Kremlin, Rasmussen renewed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s efforts to bind Russia into a system to guard against missile attacks from Iran.

“We should explore the potential for linking the U.S., NATO and Russian missile-defense systems at an appropriate time,” Rasmussen said in a speech in Brussels today.


NATO and the U.S. will consider linking up their planned missile-defense shields with a Russian system as part of a “new beginning”



NATO and the U.S. will consider linking up their planned missile-defense shields with a Russian system as part of a “new beginning”

HUH?

What does this mean?



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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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One more for the road,


Obama Missile Plan Wins Russia Praise, No Iran Shift (Update1)

By Janine Zacharia

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s decision to scrap a U.S. missile defense system in eastern Europe won praise from Russian leaders. What it didn’t win was a sign that they will cooperate to thwart Iran’s nuclear program.

Obama stressed that his reversal of President George W. Bush’s plan to place radar and missile interceptors in the Czech Republic and Poland reflects a new assessment of Iran’s missile capabilities, not a response to Russian opposition.

“This is not about Russia,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said yesterday.

Analysts and lawmakers saw it differently. They called the move a gesture less than a week before Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev are scheduled to meet Sept. 23 at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, where Iran and its nuclear program will top the U.S. agenda.

The Obama administration “wanted to get it out there before the meetings in New York,” said Janusz Bugajski a senior fellow in the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “It will be read in Russia as ‘America stepping back,’ which is potentially dangerous if they feel emboldened to push other things to gain concessions.”

Russian leaders reacted positively, while showing no sign of supporting the tougher international sanctions on Iran that the U.S. seeks.

Medvedev praised Obama’s decision as “responsible.” Konstantin Kosachyov, head of the foreign relations committee of Russia’s lower house of parliament, said the “long-awaited” move showed that “the Obama administration is beginning to understand us.”

‘Serious Mistake’


www.bloomberg.com...

What it didn’t win was a sign that they will cooperate to thwart Iran’s nuclear program.

Oh well, bring it on, I don't care, this planet is getting tiresome anyway,

Let's get out of the way.

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Have you thought that maybe something is going on behind the scenes? Like the possibility of the US dropping the missile shield for a "favor"?

Did Russia give the OK for war?

-E-



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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NATO and the U.S. will consider linking up their planned missile-defense shields with a Russian system as part of a “new beginning” HUH? What does this mean?


What it means is that NATO is abandoning all it has learned and experienced the last 50 years regarding Russia in favor of "Political Correctness". There seems to a lot of that going around in Europe these days. Head in the sand syndrome.

Wouldn't Russia like to "Link The Systems" ie. learn all they can about our system so they can design one like it and use it against the West!

At least the Russians are not yet brain dead.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by MysterE
Have you thought that maybe something is going on behind the scenes? Like the possibility of the US dropping the missile shield for a "favor"?

Did Russia give the OK for war?

-E-


That's what I am thinking.



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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Wouldn't Russia like to "Link The Systems" ie. learn all they can about our system so they can design one like it and use it against the West!

At least the Russians are not yet brain dead.



This seems like a catastrophic move to me.

Wild.

"Link The Systems" ie. learn all they can about our system

Well, yes.

Dear god what are they thinking?

We are toast.


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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by eightonefive
Vlad Putin stated today that if the US tries to put any sanctions on Iran and their nuclear program it will be a HUGE mistake. So, if Russia has no nefarious plans, then why does it give a rats patootie if iran gets nukes?


Because they have business interests in Iran to protect. Where do you think the technology for the nuclear power plants in Iran comes from? The West? Out of thin air?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Actually, the US built the first nuclear reactor in Iran, for the Shah.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center is a 5-megawatt reactor fueled by highly enriched uranium.

Oops.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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In case you haven't noticed, the Cold War is over and Russia and it's allies lost it. Russia is now a capitalist democracy, too. And the last thing on Russia's mind is going to war with the US and its allies. They are doing big business with Western Europe, why would they want to jeopardize that? Besides, the whole pretext for establishing the missile warning system in former Warshaw Pact countries was quite ludicrous. They could have restricted it to Greece and Turkey and achieve the same thing. No, it was quite obvious that from the start it was not only intended to protect from Iranian missiles, but from Russian as well. Also, obviously the Russians made it absolutely clear that they would not accept such a weapons system in their backyard. And it seems that they were very convincing. Anyway, nothing to fear from Russia. Russia should be made an ally, not an enemy.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Actually, the US built the first nuclear reactor in Iran, for the Shah.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center is a 5-megawatt reactor fueled by highly enriched uranium.

Oops.



Thanks for the history lesson. And your point is? Who is supplying them now? The US or Russia and China (maybe)?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 


This is indeed a major American blunder! Perhaps the biggest of Obama's presidency!


Be careful saying that, his presidency isn't over yet and beleive me, there are much dumber things he could do. Even though for now this one takes the schnitzel.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Well, that would make a lot more sense for a missile system intended to protect Europe from a threat in Iran, no?

Poland and the CR never made much sense from the (overhyped) "Iranian missile peril" point of view.

The Russians saw them as a way for the US to counter their retaliatory ability in the case of a US nuclear first strike.

That would make anyone in their right mind a bit nervous.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by plumranch

If the balance of power in that area is upset this will push Western Europe back to cold war status.


Yeah, having an arms race would be bad. You know, you build a missile site here, we build a missile site there. Oh, wait. That's opposite what's going to happen now!

www.telegraph.co.uk...< br />

Epic failure by FOX.

I still need proof that Tehran has an active nuclear weapons program... anyone?

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by WalterRatlos
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


In case you haven't noticed, the Cold War is over and Russia and it's allies lost it. Russia is now a capitalist democracy, too. And the last thing on Russia's mind is going to war with the US and its allies. They are doing big business with Western Europe, why would they want to jeopardize that? Besides, the whole pretext for establishing the missile warning system in former Warshaw Pact countries was quite ludicrous. They could have restricted it to Greece and Turkey and achieve the same thing. No, it was quite obvious that from the start it was not only intended to protect from Iranian missiles, but from Russian as well. Also, obviously the Russians made it absolutely clear that they would not accept such a weapons system in their backyard. And it seems that they were very convincing. Anyway, nothing to fear from Russia. Russia should be made an ally, not an enemy.


OK,

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer,

I guess i am not as trusting as you are, we will see.




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