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Originally posted by Crakeur
Originally posted by jdub297
Oh. So instead of having Russia steal our innovation, Obama will just give it to them!
how about a shared system with joint technology not aimed at protecting the US and her allies but all of Europe?
www.nydailynews.com...
this is starting to sound like a set up. let's see if we can't mess with the new guy's head and get him to commit to things.
how about a shared system with joint technology not aimed at protecting the US and her allies but all of Europe?
Well, those who say "concessions", get this:
On Friday, the Interfax news quoted an unnamed Russian military-diplomatic source as saying that the Russians had backed off a threat to deploy short-range missiles to a site near Poland if the U.S. moved ahead with the Bush missile defense plan.
Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.
"Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back," the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.
Polish President Lech Kaczynski said he was concerned that Obama's new strategy leaves Poland in a dangerous "gray zone" between Western Europe and the old Soviet sphere.
Originally posted by serph
reply to post by buddhasystem
And there's our give and take.
Recent events have rattled nerves throughout central and eastern Europe, a region controlled by Moscow during the Cold War, including the war last summer between Russia and Georgia and ongoing efforts by Russia to regain influence in Ukraine. A Russian cutoff of gas to Ukraine last winter left many Europeans without heat.
The Bush administration's missile defense plan would have been "a major step in preventing various disturbing trends in our region of the world," Kaczynski said in a guest editorial in Fakt that also was carried on his presidential Web site.
Neighboring Lithuania, a small Baltic nation that broke away from the Soviet Union in 1991 and is now a NATO member, also expressed regret over Obama's decision.
Defense Minister Rasa Jukneviciene said that the shield would have increased security for Lithuania and she hoped missile defense would not be excluded from future talks on NATO security.
"This NATO region cannot be an exception and its defense is not less important compared with others," she said.
Methinks a ploy to make Obama look weak
Originally posted by dizzie56
And for everybody that says "Its called making friends", i hope that this isnt the way you make friends in real life. If so, lend me $15k and ill pay you back when i get around to it, i really need a new truck.
concessions to Russia while forging an alliance between the US, EU and Russia is one of the best pieces of Geopolitical chess play I have seen since the start of the Cold war.
Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.
"Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back," the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.
Polish President Lech Kaczynski said he was concerned that Obama's new strategy leaves Poland in a dangerous "gray zone" between Western Europe and the old Soviet sphere.
In Prague, an editorial in a respected Czech newspaper said: "an ally we rely on has betrayed us, and exchanged us for its own, better relations with Russia, of which we are rightly afraid."
www.msnbc.com...
The world’s major powers are repeatedly breaking their pledges not to erect trade barriers, and there is no sign the “protectionist juggernaut” will ease as countries recover from the global downturn.
The world’s 20 major economies have been responsible for as many as 121 “blatantly protectionist” measures, with 134 more in the pipeline, said Global Trade Alert, a monitoring service overseen by the London-based Centre for Economic Policy Research and supported by the World Bank and other international organizations.
The measures should include “the complete removal of all restrictions on the transfer of high technology to Russia”, he said.
Originally posted by ItsallCrazy
Methinks a ploy to make Obama look weak, so that during the next presidential election you could have some military hardnut running for pres instead..
Americans feeling that Obama let them down and made them look weak, then you get your Hitler figure step in and take the country 'back to greatness'
Originally posted by dizzie56
They are just as bad, if not worse. So why should we make more concessions to them?
"Forging an alliance?" Do you have any idea what is going on in the REAL world?
Sarkozy says the US economic and trade policies MUST meet EU standards.
Putin and Medvedev cut off gas supplies to Eastern and Central Europe.
You are not making concessions ... .
...
Everyone has to make concessions.
We, the German führer and chancellor, and the British prime minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognising that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.
"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German naval agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe. My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British prime minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time ...
Putin and Medvedev cut off gas supplies to Eastern and Central Europe.
So what you are saying is that by the US not installing this missile defense system in Poland, and by possibly making concessions to other powers in order to gain allies and support for extra sanctions and a possible invasion of Iran... that the Russians will start WW3?
Originally posted by pavil
You don't give away your only chip as a token of goodwill, hoping for a reciprocal act. Obama better have had worked our a deal quid pro quo, for not proceeding with the Eastern Europe Missile Defense. I will withhold judgment till I find out if such a deal was worked out. I can only assume the deal would have had to involve something in regards to Iran.