War Watch; USA,UK,France,Israel-vs-Russia,China, Iran... aka WW 3

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:23 AM
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Hi ATS,

I wanted to start a thread that is completely comprehensive of the drums of war being beaten currently. Most People are simply focusing on the Iran vs. Israel angle, but are leaving out the entire comprehensive picture being drawn at this current time. Major movement are occurring throughout the World. I am only focusing on Europe, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and the USA currently.

There are other major arenas, or areas of increased activity throughout the World; which are lining up in different directions. South America is one place in particular where this is occurring, but nothing like the aforementioned areas.

All this being said, I have found so many great articles, and they've been piling up, because I've been busy, and also just dragging my feet...sorry
I'll just give a brief thought about each article......... The headline is atop the link.

IAEA Conceals Evidence Iran Documents Were Forged
original.antiwar.com...
Hey, hey, hey....lookie lookie, shows how lies have been perpetrated to harbor feelings, and grow hate for many years toward Iran........ Kinda like taunting a junk yard dog.

Intelligence Agencies Say No New Nukes in Iran
www.newsweek.com...
Nothing more needs to be said...........Except why are We continually being fed the same ole' lies?

Director General Reports to Board on Range of Nuclear Matters
www.iaea.org...
The actual link to the IAEA findings; which exonerate Iran. Again why all the lies??? Seems like an agend could be growing.

US missile system's track record: test delays, failed launches, missed targets
www.guardian.co.uk...
I posted this article in this thread because I continually hear about how superior the USA is. I find that funny because it seems like towing the party line; repeating exactly what the MSM, or what the Elite want us all to believe, and say. Makes us a little less afraid when We are conditioned to believe a lie that empowers us.....

US lists China, Russia as its main challengers
rawstory.com...
Ah, another great building article. I've been hearing continually that China, and Russia won't honor their defense treaties with Iran; many a member have told me this here on ATS, but now it seems like the US is making wide spread posturing towards confrontation with the above countries, as part of the new "axis of evil"
I didn't even begin to cover the new official USA "trade wars" with these countries.......... I think it is related.

Russia Strikes Military Treaties with Abkhazia, S.Ossetia
www.civil.ge...
The news on the above article has been immense. The above article, or story about it became widely known around the same time the USA is officially labeling Russia as a "challenger of influence"......


Poll: Most Americans support US aid to Israel if attacked
www.ynetnews.com...
Now, I briefly touched upon the many article which point at a much larger conflict emerging in the very near future, and now the above article accompanied with the next few are showing the determined directional propaganda is used to distort. The MSM is currently full of complete PsyOps like the above.
Film makers, Actors, and Activists Protest Toronto Film Fest For Tel Aviv Spotlight
blog.amnestyusa.org...
The above mentioned famous People have had a tough go since making this stand for truth. Hurting Israel's reputation by exposing the truth doesn't help further a war on Iran; as the demonization of Iran becomes more difficult.

Israel committed 'war crimes' in Gaza: UN probe chief
rawstory.com...
Again, We are about to kick off WW 3 between the USA, and Israel. Our two countries are gearing in this direction while We are the ones committing the atrocities.

How the Soviet Menace Was Hyped
consortiumnews.com...
This article covers exactly the ole' hyped Soviet threat in direct relations to how the US Govt. is hyping the war with Iran currently................... SAME M.O.

Sarkozy: Iran working on nukes today
www.jpost.com...
Hey, here's the French dude spewing absolute lies............ THE UN HAS SPOKEN. Iran is doing nothing wrong. There is further proof outlined above that the documentation showing a weapons program previously in Iran was a LIE a BIG FAT LIE!!!

Israel 'will attack Iran this year' if West does not cripple Tehran with sanctions
www.telegraph.co.uk... tml
Finally with all the above, here We see the ultimate ominous threat!!!! The aggressor is speaking out. So combine ALL the above articles, and it makes me wonder how any US American, or Israeli could truthfully support the real merit of this coming venture. I guarantee when Israel hits Iran it will kick off the Eastern European powder keg; Israel, and the US need Russia occupied, but what about China???

We are quickly entering an absolute scary time, and I wish more People could see the full implications of what the MSM is not telling People, or what they are saying in a skewed manner.

Peace, and Vigilance,

Sancho

[edit on 18-9-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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Good thread, I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

Something I've been interested in is the quiet game going on in the background...

Russia making moves on South America, Israel having secret meetings with Russia, America abandoning the Missile Shield in Europe, America signing deals to base troops in South America...
Clearly, Obama has sent the first concession toward Russia by abandoning the missile shield. It will be interesting to see how Russia responds, if they do at all.

Personally I think it's a bold and risky move on Obama's part. It looks like he's preparing to protect America first (which is fair) by sealing deals in South America where Russia could get their feet in the door, instead of going down the technological route of the missile shield designed to protect other nations too.

Of course that's just my take on a very complex and secretive plan. But there is no doubt that China or Russia are in line to become the next global leader.
China doesn't seem to be making any military moves, but Russia has been posturing again for at least a few years.

An interesting side to this is what America is willing to do to retain global leadership. The only way I can see this happening is if Russia and China face off for pole position (I wonder what could be done by America to force that?) and the resulting war sufficiently damages both.
If China and Russia do end up fighting, you can bet America had a hand in it.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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Major Media need to held accountable for all the lies and not informing the people. All the talk of nukes latley is preping us for when one goes off.

.....and in the end times there will be wars and rummors of wars.....

great post


s&f

[edit on 9/18/2009 by Grayelf2009]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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We seem to throw around the term "war" all too easily nowadays because let's face it most of us are so far removed from it. Let's not forget that war will be thrust upon the shoulders of the young men and women of America by old men. If ANY significant conflict breaks out and the US is involved there WILL be a draft. The only way the US citizenship will support a draft is from a false flag terrorist attack. Keep you ears open and your eyes peeled.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Zosynspiracy]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 05:55 AM
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Starred and Flagged.

There is a lot of talk lately about attacking Iran.

Well, Pick your City:









The Bush administration has built a new generation of nuclear weapons that we call ‘usable’ nukes, and they have a nuclear ‘posture’ now, which permits the use of nuclear weapons in a non-nuclear environment if the Commander in Chief deems U.S forces to be at significant risk. If we start bombing Iran (I tell you now it’s not going to work).

My concern is that we will use nuclear weapons to break the backbone of Iranian resistance and it may not work, but what it will do is this: It will unleash the nuclear genie. So to all those Americans out there tonight who are saying, you know what, taking on Iran is a good thing… . And if we use nuclear weapons, the genie ain’t going back in the bottle until an American city is taken out by an Islamic weapon in retaliation. So tell me, you want to go to war against Iran, pick your city. Pick your city. Tell me which one you want gone. Seattle? L.A.? Boston? New York? Miami? Pick one! Because at least one’s going. And that’s something we should all think about before marching down this path of insanity.




**Also: Do not forget to account for Russia and what they will do if an attack occurs on Russian-built Iranian power plants that are also staffed with Russian citizens. There will be ramifications for an attack on their trading partner and Ally:





If Scott Ritter doesn't believe America could do the job without nuking the place - what chance does Israel have without the U.S.....

Do not forget that American Boys and Men are positioned between the Israeli state and any Iranian counter-attack. By virtue off this they can both be used by Israel to threaten Iran and influence' America.

*Imagine if Israel attacked Iran and the US troops in Iraq moved aside and created a corridor for the Iranians to pass through.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 05:56 AM
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Hi Sancho, another great thread
I think it is always important to learn from history.

A History Of CIA Coups And Atrocities
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A history of US backed foreign coup d'états and operation TP-AJAX (IRAN)
www.abovetopsecret.com...





posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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here is Ahmadinejad denying the holocaust


IRANIAN President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the Holocaust was a "myth" as he addressed the annual Quds Day rally in Tehran today, reiterating comments that sparked outrage around the world.

"The very existence of this regime is an insult to the dignity of the people,'' the hardliner said referring to arch-foe Israel.

"They (Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews.

"If as you claim the Holocaust is true, why can a study not be allowed?'' the Iranian president said to chants of "Death to Israel'' from the crowd gathered for the annual display of solidarity with the Palestinians.

"The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie ... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust,'' he said.

"This claim is corrupt and the pretext is corrupt.''


www.news.com.au...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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This is scary because the rhetoric is less about Iran's sovereignty and more about a suicidal fundamentalist maniac hell bent on starting a war as much as Israel is. I say let them fight it out and may the best country win! USA let's stay the hell out of this crap. Denial of the Holocaust? COME ON! That's a good way to alienate most of the industrialized world.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by dallas18
here is Ahmadinejad denying the holocaust





Are you serious?!

You guys are unbelievable.

What's next - call everyone who is against attacking Iran an Anti-Semite?


Give it a Rest.

*And stop abusing the H-card. Those poor people deserve better. Respect the memory of them, don't politicize it.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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I can see why the focus was shifted away from a missile defense shield. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I remember Reagen's Star Wars initiative very well and the same philosophy holds true for now.
Let's take a step back though. Russia and US had incredible tensions in the 50's and 60's and there were a few times where we were on the brink of a nuclear exchange, but didn't happen. Why? Here's a term for you. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD). Neither side had first strike capability and argue as you might a nuclear war was un-winnable. There was enough ordinance to level both sides and anyone that happened to be in the way.
Flash forward to the 80's and Reagen's Star Wars Defense Initiative. If it worked, then MAD would no longer be applicable and the US would have first strike capability theoretically making the use of nuclear weapons a feasible solution. The Russians were screaming about it during those times.
Let's move forward to today. We perfect a system that can target an ICBM or short range missile and knock it out of the sky. Once again, MAD is nullified and First Strike capability is attained (theoretically). We can launch / drop with impunity with little fear of any retalitory strikes making it through our shield. You think tensions are rising now? If the above scenario came to pass, well you haven't seen anything yet.
I believe it was said the most effective use of a nuclear weapon is not to use it at all.

I guess what I am seeing now is bunch of saber rattling from both sides over the Iran nuclear issue. We're ticked off as they are about to get into the nuclear club and we didn't invite them. No one wants to use those types of weapons as world opinion of said country would immediately tank and those that were your friends are not so friendly anymore. Matter of fact they are conspiring on how to take you out as they just figured out that you were crazy enough to use them once, what's stopping you from plopping one in their backyard.

Still Israel might just be crazy enough to do it. Just depends. Sorry it's not a good tactical analysis. Still early and I haven't had nearly enough coffee.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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great research S & F
with everything happening in the world today a world war is imminent



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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When I start to look at things like this it tends to make me wonder if the mainstream media has perpetuated another lie here in the states that may be the underlying cause of some of these problems...

Maybe...

Just maybe...

Communism isn't dead.

I know that the majority of people believe that communism has been dead and gone for a while now, but if you look at the countries positioning themselves together doesn't it seem a tad odd that the former communists countries are all aligning themselves?

Just a thought, and I didn't put a whole lot of thought into it, but just a thought nonetheless.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:22 AM
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It's a good thought actually. Communism is alive and well. It just went quiet for a bit. You don't have to look far to find it either. It's been alive and well in our own backyard for quite some time, just not as vocal.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Ah... I was waiting for someone besides me to make the connection. Good thread man.


When I first arrived here at 'Above Top Secret', I made a very similar observation. Instead of calling it World War III, I called it something closely connected in similarity.

The Third Cold War
Since they are arguing over nuclear weapons, they are beating the drum of the 80s cold war. Obama has recently shown he is too weak as a president. He is strong in domestic laws, but he is too weak in foreign affairs.

Communism (socialism) is alive and well today, but this time they have an almost endless surplus of nuclear weapons, men, and resources.

We need a president who is very-very strong in foreign affairs. We currently do not have one. Since Obama has been too busy lowering our defenses and apologizing, he didn't take notice that he has declared us as being weak. Other countries will take advantage of his apologizing. It will give communistic nations excuses to maintain power.

Welcome to the "Second Cold War".
"Do you want to play a game?"

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Pathos]

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Pathos]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones

We are quickly entering an absolute scary time, and I wish more People could see the full implications of what the MSM is not telling People, or what they are saying in a skewed manner.

Peace, and Vigilance,

Sancho

[edit on 18-9-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]


Sancho, I think you have your closing statement all wrong. We are not quickly entering, but have already entered!

Very interesting indeed what the Media chooses to tell us and chooses not to tell us.

Example, recently one of the MSM's reported on the 912 protests and said something like "And there are a 'certain' amount of racist and violent signs."
OK Show them to me... Did they, NOPE, they showed None of those signs, none at all. All the signs they showed were perfectly civil and non racist.
What exactly is "A Certain Amount" ? 0 is a certain amount, right.
Now I am sure there were some, Idiots are everywhere. But see what they choose not to tell you.

I am thinking would should not dismiss China's death hold on our economy. They are waiting for the right moment to cross the straight to Taiwan. They will wait until we are so bogged down in financial crisis and pre-occupied with our own problems, ie Europe and near East Asia, throw in a little North Korean distraction here and there. Suddenly they have Taiwan.

Russia has never been a good country. The people, yes, good people. But we dont really fight wars against people in most cases, its the government...right?...

Russia, China, Iran(and allies), Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico... Such good friends for a reason.---

The Super-duper-Highway. What a perfect way to invade the country without having to cross those pesky Rocky Mountains. They just need to convince the Americans to build it for 'Them'.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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I disagree, I don't believe that canceling the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe was a weak foreign policy move. In fact, if you look at it objectively, it was a very STRONG foreign defense move. This isn't the US backing out of its alliances with Poland or any of the other former Bloc countries, it's the US saying to these people "you have the right to defend yourselves, and we will aid you in any way we can. But we will NOT be your overlords or protectors." And to our potential enemies (the smart ones anyway) it's saying to them that we are not interested in starting a war preemptively. Just as Serph posted above, the missle shield gives us the ability to launch a preemptive strike without much fear of any kind of significant retaliation. Removing the shield put in place so close to Russia is, in fact, very much like extending the olive branch. Why would we WANT to go to war with anyone?! Instead of constantly one-upping our "would be (and probably imaginary) enemies," why don't we try to ensure peace before war ever starts! Trust me, as a soldier, I can tell you all with the utmost certainty: you DON'T want war. Listen to the other countries; work with them in their endeavors. Don't "protect" yourself against what they "might" be potentially capable of doing.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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happy times ahead. happy times. put a smile on, put a smile on, everybody come on, put a smile on.

i , for one, will not be fighting in any papal crusade. i am so sick of the vatican thinking it runs the entire world. screw them.


they bully the whole world around until they submit to them. good for chavez for sticking up for his country against the great satanic vatican bullies and their bankers.

good for iran for sticking up for the entire middle east. i hope to god that they destroy israel.

i don't know what to say about north korea.

just think of the pope as the grand godfather and emporer of earth. cuz he is.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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Israel will do just fine on its own. Russia needs to stop thinking its the Bear it once was. Had any of the NATO countries stepped in to help Georgia last year then Russia would halve lost two divisions of their army in the first few minutes just to conventional air power alone.

They the Russians will make this mistake again, Mark Gods word.

www.tribulation.com...

Russia will cry when their missiles are blown from the sky and Israeli nukes obliterate their precious army.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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War Watch; USA,UK,France,Israel-vs-Russia,China, Iran... aka WW 3


Oh word thats awesome we have this in the bag I mean with Frances backing we are golden, those french sure know how to fight and win wars
... Not French bashing, I love all things French from the food to women to music and culture, but when it comes to waring they are a useless lot.

I dont think there will be a major war like you stated above. Israel is realizing that like Joe Biden said they need to come to terms with a nuclear equipped Iran, all Israel needs to do is says this to Iran, if there is one detonation in our country or against our people we will wipe YOU off the map, no worries for Israel they are decades ahead of Iran militarily.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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the russian-iranian-venezulan axis will be the one we face when ww3 breaks out real soon in the aftermath of the coming economic crash that so many are predicting..





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