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Mad Man: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?

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posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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reply to no angels,


So,whats europe got to do with it?

BTW you have just cried about how ridiculous MSNBC shows are by mentioning it above,dont want to cry about it dont mention it sunshine

LOL at the anti obama guys here,doesn't matter that he took over after Bush did all the damage he is having to fix now!No its all his fault
I feel sorry for all the americans out there having to share their country with these deluded selfish people posting on this site.

Carter was right on the money with many here


I agree with Centurion 1211 states in his posts.

I am also in contact with numerous Brits who are disgusted with the trend line taken by the British Government and its Labor party. The giving away of their country carte blanche. Of the making of British people into second class citizens behind immigrant populations cultivated as voting blocks through government give away programs. This is exactly the tack or program being attempted by our government here...the cultivation of certain groups of peoples on the public dole..for votes and power. This is becoming more and more obvious to thinking Americans.

Many Americans are learning that this is why other news outlets and informations are not desired for the public to know or to be exposed to them. They might think outside authorized or desired avenues.
Someone in political power is trying to make us British or Continentals.
What Washington and those in power..or those running Washington DC are learning is that Americans..even liberal Americans are not as Left leaning as they would like to assume that we are.

The only thing left to them in the end is to play the RACE CARD. This too is getting very tiring and Wolfie to Americans by its overuse and abuse.
It also makes our politicians and leaders look very weak and insecure.
Causes thinking Americans to see them like the king without clothes. The King is Naked.

As to Glenn Becks religious leanings..I have not seen him directly impose his religion into his program.

However in fairness..I have by study concluded that Politics itself is a devout and zealous religion and not the religion often advertised. I believe that thinking Americans are slowly coming to this conclusion as well.
A religion which is not as advertised or claimed...is called an Occult Religion. I know that both political parties will do this to get votes.
Nothing new here.

The mixing of politics and religion is not new. What I find interesting is the concealing of the religion behind the politics.

No Angels..you should know that divine right of kings was put to rest in England with the beheading of Charles I in 1649 by Cromwell and the Puritans. Since that time politics has had to go underground with their hidden religious beliefs. Today we tend to call this concealment "Secular."
But make no mistake..it is a religion. It is sometimes called "Humanism" to conceal its religious nature. Another variation of this is "Pantheism."

But I digress here.

Nonetheless...Beck is not a problem. What astonishes me is that the ratings of the other networks have fallen when compared to this small group of speakers to the public. These falling ratings groups ..outnumber these speakers of which so many fear. I find this very interesting and telling. IT shows great insecurity and also a lack of leadership.

And then for a political party or its members to scream "Racism" is very telling of their desperation and lack of leadership. It also shows what many Americans have come to regard as disgusting...and that is "entitlement" beliefs. To them the use and misuse of "racism" by politicians and their offspring...is an attempt at censorship and thereby gives them the ability/entitlement to play through unquestioned and unaccountable to the public. This unaccountability is what concerns the public because the political process has let the veil down and cannot put it back up. They can only attempt to silence opposition. And Americans also find this tack disgusting.

We are not as a whole nation as left/liberal leaning as someone would like to assume we are. We are not interested in the UK/Continental template of doing our daily business. Or to put it another way ..we are not interested in what the rest of the world thinks...for we know they do not have our best interests in mind...they have only thier entitlements in mind.

My thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom



[edit on 19-9-2009 by orangetom1999]




posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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I believe it is possible that Glenn Beck actually believes the flavor of information that he represents...he may purposely exaggerate and sensationalize but it is possible that he actually believes the version of news he reports.

Glenn Beck is allowed to do what he does because he is willing to be the face of an extreme and distorted position. It should be very obvious that the reason people like Glenn Beck are given such power is because it makes it much easier to distract the public and manipulate information when the news channels are polarized.

Divide and conquer...

The question we should be asking is, who allows these people a platform and who gives them legitimacy?



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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he has no more power now than he did when he was at CNN. he is given a chance to talk and employer waits to see if he delivers the ratings needed to keep him on the air. any number of people including actual celebrities have been given the same chance and no one watched. the show died.

glenn beck was not a celebrity until lately so his name alone did not draw an audience. he has begun to present information that people have come to value so more and more people find their way to his program. although one can find such information on the internet, no other major station is offering it, and really none of the others on Fox News.

He might well have writers help him prepare his scripts, but he comes across as sincere about this material.

now what's the part about him distracting from.....what? from being happy little robots obedient to the government and delivering their paychecks in the form of taxes gratefully so the government regime members can go off on their travel junkets and pay off their cronies.

glenn beck would have no audience if he wasn't plugging into already existing concern.



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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Glenn is his own reawakened, penitent man, who has a mission. He'll speak up, out, and often about the hidden machinations taking place within our political system. He is outraged that the lamestream media is complacent in their complicity, and the feigned ignorance they put on.
He has taken to labeling NBC ,ABC, CBS the fringe media lately, because they refuse to cover stories that shed any sort of bad light on the liberal left.

It is very obvious that the three are " involved in a misinformation campaign of not reporting the facts". This is where Glenn has taken to sharing the helm with his FOX NEWS associates. Fox News must have decided Glenn Beck was worth hiring, and then giving him his news hour. The ratings have sky rocketed ever since.

Fox News seems to be fearless with the stories it is able to report. That is why I watch them.

Fox News regularly gives the viewers a severe mugging of reality. Because of that, it steals the thunder of every other network.

Glenn is a very high strung and often times mildly neurotic anchor...he readily admits he is riddled with ADD and is a recovering alcoholic...( which by the way, he has remained dry and sober since the mid nineties )

He met his current wife, found his religion with her, and a new direction in life. He also rediscovered his Patriotism and love for America after the 9-11 event. None of these things are negatives.

I also suspect that he is very fearful of where the nation is heading. Which would be some sort of socialist, quasi fascist-totalitarian governance.

I am too.

I am appreciative of people who will risk it all, and defy what is politically correct...for I am one of those myself.

As they say on Fox; "They report, you decide!"

People are waking up. It is about time too.



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by earlywatcher
now what's the part about him distracting from.....what? from being happy little robots obedient to the government and delivering their paychecks in the form of taxes gratefully so the government regime members can go off on their travel junkets and pay off their cronies.


What you need to realize is that Glenn Beck is only allowed to do what he does because he is positive for the goals of the government/corporations.



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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I would liken Glen Beck to a television evangelist. Like the OP describes, the audience listens to him because they are of like minds with what he promotes. They think he has real answers and will go as far as donating money. That would be fine if people realized that all of that was for personal enlightenment or for entertainment. The problem is, that it isn't and people will act and think differently than they would if they were not under the influence of this guy.

I wish I could say people are smarter than that, but I see in my area were evangelists thrive that it is not he case. He has the right to speak and has the right to further his career by his tactics but it is divisive and destructive to this country, which I have no doubt is the furthest thing from his mind.



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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More than any one group here domestically I would say the Evangilists sure are on a mission.

The passion and extremes the religious will go to in the furtherance of their beliefs is perhaps the most dangerous thing facing the planet in my humble oppinion



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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while i'm sure you are right, because fox news is also a big corporation, i would like clarification. what do you mean exactly?



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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The only threat that evangelicals or any local religious group hold is that for our country America. The planet can take care of itself and is tougher than any of us realize.

We, meaning America, was founded on the concept of democracy. Conservatives want steel that concept as their own and ridicule anyone that says different. The fact is that true democracy spoke with a booming voice in the last election, and the republicans just don't get it yet.

We don't want our country to be a body guard for anyone. We have what is worth preserving right here. If they can't see that, and they are successful in diverting us from our true nature, then we only have ourselves to blame.

We should lead by example and not by force. That is what they don't understand.

[edit on 9/19/2009 by Hal9000]



posted on Sep, 20 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by Jezus
 


while i'm sure you are right, because fox news is also a big corporation, i would like clarification. what do you mean exactly?


I mean that dividing the public into polarized groups makes it much easier to control and manipulate information outlets.

Instead of the news being about absolute truth, it is about truth relative to an ideological group.

Glenn Beck is allowed to do what he does because not only is it good for ratings but it is also good for the managing the minds of the people.



posted on Sep, 20 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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valid point, certainly, but the alternative is to say nothing. to allow the regime in power to do whatever they want without check. fortunately that did not happen when bush was president. there was constant criticis. it is essential to have the same for obama. not examing what's happening isn't the path to peace, only silence.

are you one of those who feel that if obama were just allowed to carry out his agenda, our problems will be solved? have you been paying attention to what's happened since he took office? i believe his approach is an extreme, a pole, and getting rid of the other pole doesn't make it good for the country.



posted on Sep, 20 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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I wanted to start a new topic, but if you would watch this video, please,

Beck seems to be the only one that is pointing things out I already knew.

www.breitbart.tv...

Obama's royal family,

Valerie Jarret, Valerie Jarret's mother in law, and father in law,
Barbra Taylor Bowman, friends of Frank Marshall Davis, FMD, friends with Obama's grandfather, William Ayers father,

Barbra Taylor Bowman,

Erickson institute, Thomas Ayers Consolidated Edison, and father of Bill Ayers, Obama launched his career at Ayers house,

Vernon Jarret, Valerie's father law, and Frank Marshall Davis

Just a few names I typed down really fast cause i gotta run,

However,

I was having trouble connecting the dots, but now it is obvious.

There are very few of us on this site that have a real grasp of what has happened.


www.guardian.co.uk...

Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal

Brezinski Calls for Obama to Shoot Down Israeli Jets; "A Liberty in Reverse"

www.weeklystandard.com...


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[edit on 063030p://bSunday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Sep, 20 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
We, meaning America, was founded on the concept of democracy.


As I understand it, proportional representation was inspired by the Lycian League and the REPUBLICAN form of govenment inspired by the Roman Republic.

Guess you had to be there.



posted on Sep, 20 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
We, meaning America, was founded on the concept of democracy.



Yes,
I caught it too earlier today. Was wondering if anyone else would catch it.
As I recall the pledge goes ...

"And to the Republic for which it stands"

There is also an old story from just after WW1 about a soldier returning home and reading in the local newspaper that they were fighting in Europe for Democracy. He went on to write to a relative...

"I knew by this that while we were away fighting ...thieves had stolen my country."

Very astute of him...even way back then. I would that many of us today would have such good sense.

I catch it every time some politician lauds democracy in their speeches.
I find it sickening.

THanks,
Orangetom



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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Yes it was a republic only because at that time we didn't have roads and the means to travel that we have today. They would send representatives so that didn't require everyone to be present when a vote was taken. This has recently changed and now with the internet look at the possibilities.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
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Yes it was a republic only because at that time we didn't have roads and the means to travel that we have today. They would send representatives so that didn't require everyone to be present when a vote was taken. This has recently changed and now with the internet look at the possibilities.


I havent seen that explaination in the history books. From whence did you get this explaination. What source??

Can you tell me the source which states that there was a change in the law from a Republican form of government to a democracy. From a Represenative Republic to a Democracy. Where is the official pronouncement??

You see...Hal...when I read the governing document...it calls for Represenatives to represent the people in Congress numbered by population...and then it calls for Senators to represent each state's interests in the Federal Government....these Senators to be elected by vote of the State assemblys.

Somewhere under the guise of Democracy ..this was changed to the State Senators in Washington DC being elected by the people....not the State Governments. Thus meaning we do not now have Senators representing state interests in Washington DC...but instead..we now actually have only Two houses of Represenatives. The 100 member house of Represenatives not being apportioned by population.
This is how the power of the states was weakened in Washington DC....under Democracy.

One can also debate that we have gone from a money system of Just weights and Measures...in Gold, Silver, and Copper coinage...to an unjust system of weights and measures....under Democracy. Thus allowing the government to spend unlimited and steal from the producing economy to the point of ruin.

Now we have roads and electronics..and we also have more hustlers in Washington DC stealing and deceivng the public...in multitudes of ways including public education.

Education needs to go back to a state function..not a federal functionl Democracy has made a joke out of our public education.

I am not that enamoured of Democracy.
Also this is not taught in public schools or on the media....looking out for us...causing me to ask why...for what reasons is it not taught.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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hmmm what to think about this thread.

glenn beck did work for cnn and was glenn beck speech bad for america when he constantly bashed bush?

did people have a problem with that then?

have people really listened to what beck says?

if glenn beck is bad for america then by the same reasoning so is bill maher

so is cnn, msnbc, and fox.

my opinion and thats all it is your free to think what you will-thats real freedom

hes free to speak his mind like everyone here is and if you agree with it or not thats the gift of this country that we all take for granted.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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The way you think, they, us, we, is the very reson why this is all happening. Thinking so tribally and individualisticly is not very evolved and I think there are forces in this universe that eradicate everything that breaks the Law of One. If it increases in number the earth will self-protect by sinking it. Alot of you are probably very good people but with the breaking of the Law of One comes economic depression, collapse and worse.

It is logical that everything that is division has its consequences, economic, social, etc. This doctrine of hatred you guys practice is not a game. This is serious. You guys are hurting alot of people, hurting the country and setting the grounds for the most awful era the world has ever seen. There are those, I don't know who, that think you are a cancer on the earth and beyond repair, that you are so crazy that there is no point in trying to reason with you. The things, the punishment and the suffering, we are seeing is caused by people like you without realizing it. The more you fight the worse it is going to get, which is sad because all you guys are doing is self-destructing as unconciously you feel really guilty about having these thoughts of hatred. Therefore you will self-destruct.

You should stop and think about what you are doing. Think about all the innocent people that are hurting. Think with your head. The government and those who run the system are not going to allow the most powerful nation in the world to be a Nazi conservative empire that wants to kill all diversity on the planet, destroy the earth and be unable to grow, unite and flourish and whose sole purpose is self-destruction (to undo and destroy). They will never allow it. They would destroy it first, which thanks to people like you is exactly what is happening. Does everyone have to pay for your ignorance?

And by the way, the symbol of the eagle you have, it doesn't mean what you think it does.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by earlywatcher
valid point, certainly, but the alternative is to say nothing. to allow the regime in power to do whatever they want without check.


Glenn Beck is not a check.

The reason he is dangerous is because people are convinced he actually saying what the government and big corporations don't want him to say..

No one on national television is doing or saying anything that the federal government or big corporations don't want them to do or say...

Glenn Beck is like a fake investigator working for the people that stole your stuff...but you still pay him to look for it...



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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What Glenn Beck is saying is very similar to what some people were begining to say in the 1960s into the 1970s and 1980s. There were lots of people saying the things Glenn Beck is now making popular on television. Many of these people in previous years wound up in jail for saying and teaching the concepts of which Glenn Beck openly states on national television.

There are however certain aspects which Glenn Beck does not cover..though by his content ..I do not believe he is unaware of them.
It is the same with O'riley and Hannity. Hence I dont give Beck, O'riley, or Hannity that much credit.

A handful of us have known of the pattern Beck uses for over twenty years now. There are just new players since then but basically the same olde pattern. What is new and much different is the proliferation of peoples groomed into the very devout religious dogma or religion of "Guilt Politics" and "Entitlement Beliefs" so openly being practiced today.
They dont even try to hide it anymore.

Thanks,
Orangetom



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