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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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reply to post by kinda kurious
 


Yeah, pretty interesting huh? lol He became mainly a Mormon because of his alcohol and drug abuse, along with finding a hot looking woman. Nothing really more with anything else that has to do with that religion. One side note, kind of sadly funny that Utah has the most suicides than any other state, and they also download the most porn than any state. Goes to show what a wonderful godly so called religion they think they are.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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If you are really paying attention to the message and not the technique the message is it's pointless to try to overthrow the government if you don't have the money to pay off it's international debts.

They didn't in 1776 and it bit them in the behind and it's still biting us today, and we still don't have the money.

You can't just overthrow a government and expect to be able to be absolved of it's debts, lay claim to what other sovereign people and nations own here and have lent here, and think the rest of the world is going to do business with the nation or just let us get away with it.

Regardless of how our government morphs on us, or what it does, the point is that over throwing it does no good.

I am just stating for me what is the truth, the whole world has to change the monetary system at the same time or no change in government ultimately can change how we are all controlled by the existing monetary system.

I get by with the existing monetary system, and the existing government, but I know better than most what would need to be done to change it and the point is if even if the lefts worst dreams came true it would in reality change nothing.

The next government and system would be as controlled and enslaved by a fictional based system of currency and trade as the current one is.

The only thing that happens is a bunch of slaves get to die in the process.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


If you are really paying attention to the message and not the technique the message is it's pointless to try to overthrow the government if you don't have the money to pay off it's international debts.


I do watch for techniques and patterns as it is an independent way of gathering data and discerning meaning in the world. Watch the flock instead of the individual birds.

You asked if Glenn Beck is bad for America. Indirectly, yes. Noone wields any worldly power without followers and he is manipulating people to take rash actions.

Though on your point it seems that creditor nations were paid off by emptying Fort Knox in the past. Who knows if there is any gold in the place now. It was probably beefed up to store personal possessions of the elite. Haha. Who knows, it hasn't been opened to the media since 1972 (IIRC).

If so they cannot be paid off without the ownership stake but that seems to lead us to the conundrum of which you speak.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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You summed up quite well the entire point, and reason of Beck being in existence.

I absolutely believe there is strong opposition to the Church, and their NWO agents; otherwise We all would have been eliminated long ago.........Just my opinion. Your argument I cannot disagree with in any regard. Mainly because the NWO is World wide, and as long as they are around in any shape, or **religion** then they'll be around for retaliation against "their" serfs.

I absolutely "feel" there is a grand battle going on right now, but not in the Christian sense. Beck, and his newly created beckonites are being groomed to be the next form of US govt., but I truly hope, envision, and see them as loosing, and also the NWO as a whole.

I guess it is me just maintaining positive thoughts



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by kinda kurious
 


Interesting. I take it Obama believes the Earth is 4000 years old and cave men rode around on dinosaurs? He is a Christian, right?


I believe he is. Ironic that so many mental midgets still think he is a Muslim.

The same who believe in "Death Panels."



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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You are very astute and yes of course all the talking heads are manipulators.

The point I am making is that it's easy to identify manipulation but much harder to what true end and by whom people are being manipulated.

If Glen Beck or a similiar personality could effect the same type of power and universal appeal as say the Beatles had in the late sixties, early seventies then yes they could actually create a bonified revolution that could sweep out the politicians.

But it would always be because the Powers that Be wanted it to occur, it wouldn't actually have an adverse affect on the Powers that Be but simply produce an outcome the people caught up in the movement had not for seen.

In the end doing the thing that they truly believed and were led to believe would be their salvation would in fact be to their detriment and undoing.

The Powers that Be control both sides of the argument, the people are just the bouncing ball that goes back and forth over and into the net in a game they still don't really comprehend or percieve nor want to.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Here's some suggested reading for those who are honest in their inquiry as to who Glenn Beck is and where his newfound raison d'etre comes from:

Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life


yeah yeah yeah, everyone has their hero's, mentors, role models, etc,.

I read the article, and I don't get it? This skousen changed Becks life and Saul alinsky changed Obama's.

Is beck bad for America? Hell No! Glen Beck has finally got what everyone was talking about doing, taking our country back but in spite of Wexler and Kucinich's efforts to bring the Bush regime to impeach Dubya and Cheney as we all knew the republicans were no longer the GOP any of us were familiar with in fact GWB was behaving more like a middle o the road democrat. So when the democrats wanted to have control and Pelosi was talking real tough about getting rid of Bush and no longer funding the Iraq war, what did America DO?

We swept in all the democrats and gave them the control of the house and senate and all dubya could say is they got a "thumpin". The months that followed went more uneventful than when the Republicans were in control and for the longest final two years of a President's last term in office, we waited, and waited, and waited and we posted and start talking about how BOTH party are no different while some like Ron Paul who doesn't have the physical presence or the exposure at the time, was one of the GOP that I could trust. The other is Robert Wexler whom I have worked very hard for during the following efforts he was on the front lines

The Impeachment of Bill Clinton

- The 2000 Florida Recount

- The demand for Inherent Contempt and sworn testimony before
Congress by Scott McClellan, Karl Rove, Harriet Miers, and Joshua Bolten

- The opposition to FISA, torture, and the attacks on our Civil Rights

- The fight to bring our troops safely home from Iraq

I had left the GOP and was behind this guy 100% but then the once fiery talk during the campaign had subsided and all the democrats were in office, Wexler’s own party, made it know their would be no impeachment and they tabled the whole idea after three attempts.

Well, that was it for me I was done with all of them.

I was supporting Ron Paul then when he fell out I thought I would look at Obama but the signs on the wall were NEON warnings this silver tongued antithesis of the marbles in his mouth, muttering monosyllabic diatribe of GWB was talking bout change. Yeah ok, I listened I knew who he was having lived in Chicago and yet very little was know about him and very little could anyone gather as it didn't take long to see this guy was covering up every paper trail he had . That made me more suspicious so I found out he was a member of the Democrats for socialism. They have a fascinating agenda and an even more colorful cast of members.

This guy's rise was meteoric, breaking all the records and no one knew a damn thing about him and what we DID know would have ruined any past election hopes the low life’s this guy was surrounded with. in campaign contribution money, Hollywood backed him, the MSN, was infatuated, other countries Ghaddaffi Castro all our enemies loved him, BUT FOR WHAT? You may not think so, but I think one of the biggest mistakes Obama made was putting John McCain through that investigation over his Natural Born Citizen status where he was asked to show his Vaulted BC when democrats were not satisfied with the one he had first given.

Then when Barack Obama wouldn't show his and had done every thing in his power from posting guards at hospitals in both Kenya and Hawaii, while one COLB (the first) was already a proven fake, at that point nothing would have turned me more against him than when he was too good for us and "bowing" to the "whacko the fringers" was an even BIGGER slap in the face. We had just gone through 8 years of a liar and a sneak.

Now we had an educated one.

You remember the day the news hit when the banks were busted and GWB came on the air and like OUT of nowhere all of a sudden wham we are in crisis mode and have been ever since. Something always seemed strange about that day and I didn't really believe it. It is wall streets answer to an economic 911 false flag and the first thing we needed to do was AUDIT THE FED!

What Glen Beck is doing, may seem dramatic and he is a drama queen and always has been. His rhetoric is the same his "how I got there” is patent beck, still the same. It isn't Glen beck hurting America, Glen Beck is just sayi8ng things we had been posting on boards here at ATS years ago saying "wake up America"

When I see a sitting President attacking a Pvt Citizen like Rush or Beck, it attacks ME too. Don’t know if you feel that way but I do and it wouldn't matter who it was. I have the capacity to protest the GOP and did so for years and that was my party I also have the capacity to know when none of them are my party. In fact, it is drop dead obvious within weeks of Obama's crowning of the throne, and all the reneging the lobbyists surrounding him when he said none would work there and the money he was out spending Bush in just months.

Not again, we don't have four years to get this straight at the pace he is breaking the backs of tax payers and we don't any more ideas of sweeping any party in to rescue us.

Glen Beck is only mobilizing a very angry and intolerant Voter Rage. You can say we're racist but we gave him all the time we could and we don't need four years of another one put over on us.

He will do what is in the best interest of WE the People whether half of them are still in Obama's ether or not. I happen to like the house and senate taking a look outside and seeing US there looking over there shoulders. Doesn't matter that town halls are interrupted when we have already heard what Obama has to say and the way he ran health care in Chicago he gouged uninsured patients 385% over the average rate of hospital care while his wife was making $200,000 a year for having her name on the list of officers. Obama ran The University of Chicago Medicine and made one hundred million dollars in profit.

While he was suing the hell out of the uninsured putting leans on houses and punishing people you all think he cares so much about.

Glen Beck is Saving America



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 



But it would always be because the Powers that Be wanted it to occur, it wouldn't actually have an adverse affect on the Powers that Be but simply produce an outcome the people caught up in the movement had not for seen.



I think it is clear

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TRI FECTA SUPREME!

MANY may understand this and some of the face value motivated folks will say

"what about the constitution?"

And the crisis will be averted, Hooray!!!

[edit on 17-9-2009 by mental modulator]

[edit on 17-9-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Personally, so far, there is essentially not too many differences between the Obama administration and the Bush administration. Maybe a few, but nothing MAJOR or extreme. So where in the hell was Beck during the Bush admin heh?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Fear not Sancho the good news is they can not really win...the bad news is they can not really loose!

The Powers that Be are nothing with out us, they are simply frustrated with us as we are with them.

Eventually a more agreeable accord shall be reached but as you can see most of the slaves truly love taking the collegiant football approach to management and politics, we beat you! Did not! Did so, you cheated, did not, did so, your mother wears combat boots! Your aunt has a mustache.

I am sure once everyone gets tired of playing this game we can work something better out.

Who knows maybe it will get called for rain?

Trying to get a players strike sure isn't easy.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Stargate2012
Personally, so far, there is essentially not too many differences between the Obama administration and the Bush administration. Maybe a few, but nothing MAJOR or extreme. So where in the hell was Beck during the Bush admin heh?


You can't talk about that -

you just can't...

Beck said that does not matter and he is tired of it, so NO!



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Oh my dear friend, if we could only get you to modulate over to the some of the non-political conspiracy threads!

Left and right are passages,

Black and White are hues,

You can face the truth friend.

Crying ain't going to help no one and praying ain't going to do no good, and the only thing the Constitution is, is a promise to pay back a debt to our European Creditors.

The Articles of Confederation were actually the Republic's Constitution.

The Constitution was designed for our Creditors, in England, France, Spain and the Netherlands after we imagined we won the revolutionary war militarily only to find out we lost it economically.

Since we could not actually buy the land we were fighting over from the people who actually owned it or pay off the debts the owners had borrowed against it.

Our creditors in Europe forced the founding Fathers to rip up the Articles of Confederation and write the Constitution to gaurantee they would be paid back in an orderly way.

The Treaty of Paris is what established the Corporation which is the Nation, not the Constitution.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Stargate2012
reply to post by kinda kurious
 


Yeah, pretty interesting huh? lol He became mainly a Mormon because of his alcohol and drug abuse, along with finding a hot looking woman. Nothing really more with anything else that has to do with that religion. One side note, kind of sadly funny that Utah has the most suicides than any other state, and they also download the most porn than any state. Goes to show what a wonderful godly so called religion they think they are.


They don't just think they are

Depression and suicide rates state by state



the top to the most at the bottom.
1. South Dakota
2. Hawaii
3. New Jersey
4. Iowa
5. Maryland
6. Minnesota
7. Louisiana
8. Illinois
9. North Dakota
10. Texas
11. Georgia
12. Vermont
13. Nebraska
14. Florida
15. California
16. Massachusetts
17. Pennsylvania
18. Virginia
19. New York
20. New Hampshire
21. Alaska
22. Michigan
23. District of Columbia
24. Delaware
25. Arizona
26. Alabama
27. North Carolina
28. South Carolina
29. Kansas
30. Wisconsin
31. Tennessee
32. Montana
33. Mississippi
34. Colorado
35. Washington
36. New Mexico
37. Oregon
38. Connecticut
39. Indiana
40. Arkansas
41. Maine
42. Wyoming
43. Ohio
44. Missouri
45. Idaho
46. Oklahoma
47. Nevada
48. Rhode Island
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
51. Utah
www.usatoday.com...


You're even more wrong about the porn. I guess people will just make up anything to attack religious people these days.



[edit on 17-9-2009 by Stylez]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Stylez

Originally posted by Stargate2012
reply to post by kinda kurious
 


Yeah, pretty interesting huh? lol He became mainly a Mormon because of his alcohol and drug abuse, along with finding a hot looking woman. Nothing really more with anything else that has to do with that religion. One side note, kind of sadly funny that Utah has the most suicides than any other state, and they also download the most porn than any state. Goes to show what a wonderful godly so called religion they think they are.


They don't just think they are

Depression and suicide rates state by state



the top to the most at the bottom.
1. South Dakota
2. Hawaii
3. New Jersey
4. Iowa
5. Maryland
6. Minnesota
7. Louisiana (pre-Katrina)
8. Illinois
9. North Dakota
10. Texas
11. Georgia
12. Vermont
13. Nebraska
14. Florida
15. California
16. Massachusetts
17. Pennsylvania
18. Virginia19. New York
20. New Hampshire
21. Alaska
22. Michigan
23. District of Columbia
24. Delaware
25. Arizona
26. Alabama
27. North Carolina
28. South Carolina
29. Kansas
30. Wisconsin
31. Tennessee
32. Montana
33. Mississippi
34. Colorado
35. Washington
36. New Mexico
37. Oregon
38. Connecticut
39. Indiana
40. Arkansas
41. Maine
42. Wyoming
43. Ohio
44. Missouri
45. Idaho
46. Oklahoma
47. Nevada
48. Rhode Island
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
51. Utah
www.usatoday.com...


Your even more wrong about the porn. I guess people will just make up anything to attack religious people these days.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Stylez]


WHATT??? Utah is at the bottom? hmm Guess I heard wrong. But this is not wrong.

videos.thebigislandreporter.com...



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mental modulator
 


Oh my dear friend, if we could only get you to modulate over to the some of the non-political conspiracy threads!

Left and right are passages,

Black and White are hues,

You can face the truth friend.

Crying ain't going to help no one and praying ain't going to do no good, and the only thing the Constitution is, is a promise to pay back a debt to our European Creditors.

The Articles of Confederation were actually the Republic's Constitution.

The Constitution was designed for our Creditors, in England, France, Spain and the Netherlands after we imagined we won the revolutionary war militarily only to find out we lost it economically.

Since we could not actually buy the land we were fighting over from the people who actually owned it or pay off the debts the owners had borrowed against it.

Our creditors in Europe forced the founding Fathers to rip up the Articles of Confederation and write the Constitution to gaurantee they would be paid back in an orderly way.

The Treaty of Paris is what established the Corporation which is the Nation, not the Constitution.



I am happy right here, but feel free to travel right on over to any topic you wish, I won't give you any guff for it.

Frankly I don't have any control of anything but myself and a few inanimate objects
which is OK for now. I simply think the outcome of the protests will be a resurgence
of GOP seats and possibly some or; a great deal of violence. I just don't think any substantive change will result from any of these protest. So by default the political ramifications in a "two party" nation will result in gains for the party that is not in the majority.

I could modulate the language to Protoplasmish and it would read just the same.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says

www.deseretnews.com...



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The point I am making is that it's easy to identify manipulation but much harder to what true end and by whom people are being manipulated.

If Glen Beck or a similiar personality could effect the same type of power and universal appeal as say the Beatles had in the late sixties, early seventies then yes they could actually create a bonified revolution that could sweep out the politicians.

But it would always be because the Powers that Be wanted it to occur, it wouldn't actually have an adverse affect on the Powers that Be but simply produce an outcome the people caught up in the movement had not for seen.


If it is of the vengeful nature it is the nature of the antichrist. I will not participate in vengeful acts against the brothers and sisters of this planet, only the assertion of our sovereign humanity, the right to self-determination and basic welfare.

Now, if that original vision of the true world utopia (not NWO) is in fact still intact, I have considered the possibility of an ace in the hole. I don't know who's really got it though, perhaps noone in particular. It may be of a nature foreign to most human thinking. To think about it gives me elated chills actually.


In the end doing the thing that they truly believed and were led to believe would be their salvation would in fact be to their detriment and undoing.


A revolt can be as simple as a refusal to cooperate. At least in that way the finger cannot be pointed at us as being instigators of violence. The reason that sounds scary is because the conditioning to believe you must depend upon the status quo is very deep, so deep that the idea of trying something new sounds like rainbows and unicorns.

But, if people haven't changed, new systems ultimately will not either. Until the people are ready it is useless to proceed with any major shifts unless another cycle of the same oppressive nature is to be forced. I think some want that and others wish to see a jump in consciouness and that the main two opposed camps are fundamentally at odds.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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My personal belief friend is that if John McCain had won the election everything that has transpired would more have less still transpired the same way.

I think if you were really being honest with yourself you would see in the last two years of Bush's presidency he was not popular within his own party any longer, (Republican Candidates did not even want the President to campaign for them that is UNPOPULAR) and that even though the House was controlled by the Democrats, when they would get done crying and shouting they (The Democrats) still passed every bill and every request for money Bush put before them? Why? Their rhetoric did not agree with him, but their votes did when it came time to vote, why? Because it's all just a show, it's a repeating pattern, Republicans run things in to the ground until they can't get away with one more thing, then the Democrats take over and run things in to the ground until they can't get away with one more thing.

There is no difference between the two parties except for the dialouge, when it comes to actually passing the critical legislation that the Powers that Be want, it does not matter, it's going to get passed, because neither party works for the people.

The whole argument is a circular one designed to trap people on both sides in to a system that produces only negative results.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Stargate2012

Originally posted by Stylez

Originally posted by Stargate2012
reply to post by kinda kurious
 


Yeah, pretty interesting huh? lol He became mainly a Mormon because of his alcohol and drug abuse, along with finding a hot looking woman. Nothing really more with anything else that has to do with that religion. One side note, kind of sadly funny that Utah has the most suicides than any other state, and they also download the most porn than any state. Goes to show what a wonderful godly so called religion they think they are.


They don't just think they are

Depression and suicide rates state by state



the top to the most at the bottom.
1. South Dakota
2. Hawaii
3. New Jersey
4. Iowa
5. Maryland
6. Minnesota
7. Louisiana (pre-Katrina)
8. Illinois
9. North Dakota
10. Texas
11. Georgia
12. Vermont
13. Nebraska
14. Florida
15. California
16. Massachusetts
17. Pennsylvania
18. Virginia19. New York
20. New Hampshire
21. Alaska
22. Michigan
23. District of Columbia
24. Delaware
25. Arizona
26. Alabama
27. North Carolina
28. South Carolina
29. Kansas
30. Wisconsin
31. Tennessee
32. Montana
33. Mississippi
34. Colorado
35. Washington
36. New Mexico
37. Oregon
38. Connecticut
39. Indiana
40. Arkansas
41. Maine
42. Wyoming
43. Ohio
44. Missouri
45. Idaho
46. Oklahoma
47. Nevada
48. Rhode Island
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
51. Utah
www.usatoday.com...


Your even more wrong about the porn. I guess people will just make up anything to attack religious people these days.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Stylez]


WHATT??? Utah is at the bottom? hmm Guess I heard wrong. But this is not wrong.

videos.thebigislandreporter.com...


Ha ha ha Yeah but suggesting UTAH is obsessed with porn is not accurate. Have you ever been to utah? Just try to find an adult book store a sex shop or a hustler magazine. I can understand why they download the most, it's about the only way they are going to get any there. They have very strict restrictions on that stuff. Funny though regardless lol



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Not too surprising I guess as well.

Unhappy In Utah
Study: 'Beehive State' Leads Nation in Anti-Depressant Prescriptions

www.cbsnews.com...





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