Mad Man: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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To my knowledge (I do not watch his show) has not advocated violence, or the violent over throw of the country.

Cause and reaction.

Is Beck causing the divisions in the country? Then you are saying that he is the greatest sales person in the world and convincing people in total disagreement with out similiar predisposed thoughts to agree with him.

I do not believe that.

I believe his audience, like all the talking head's individual audiences are already predisposed to believe the talking head's messages because they already think similiarly.

Birds of a feather flock together.

In other words the people who watch Matthews that agree that all opposition to Obama is based on race, imagined that to be true before they ever heard it come out of his mouth. They respect him because he says the same things they already think and feel.

The same is true of Beck.

Ultimately I don't agree that all opposition to Obama is racial in nature and that there is a danger in believing that, but I still believe Matthews has a right to claim that, and the people who watch him have a right to agree with him.

I don't agree with him, that's my right, but it is their right to agree with them.

Even though I think Matthews is being foolish and naive and racist himself by saying those things, I don't believe that he convinced anyone to feel that way who hadn't already decided themselves to feel that way.

I believe Beck's audience and what ever he espouses is no different.

It's a which came first chicken or the egg argument, your supposition is Beck came first and created all these monsters in your oppinion who will rampage across the nation tearing down that which you hold near and dear.

While they worry that the people on the other side are going to do the same.

Same thing with Israel/Iran, we have to get the Iranians before they get us, we just know they are going to try to get us.

It's simply intollerence, and when Beck says something I disagree with, when Matthews saws something I disagree with, when Bush or Carter say something I disagree with, I disagree with it, because I disagree with it.

To my knowledge none of them have ever said anything I do agree with (That I should be proclaimed emperor of the world) so I simply pay no attention to what they say and try to be agreeably disagreeable (figuring this makes me more attractive to be appointed emperor of the world) and allow them to say what they say (as I have no choice since I am not emperor of the world) and don't go around frothing at the mouth about it (since I can handle caffine and am not a canine).

Beck and Matthews don't drive these feelings and arguments they simply give voice to these arguments for people who like to argue (which is of course why I think just naming me emperor for life would end most of these arguments) but people like to get upset and argue.

I don't know who in their right mind would get upset over what people say, because saying things and doing things are two different things.

Half of the whole liberal lefts argument right now is based on possible outcomes that become more probable based on their own inability to listen and give others the right to voice their oppinions, I have heard so many people on the left side of the equation basically say, "You guys (anyone who isn't on the left, even though they might not be on the right either) lost the election, deal with it".

If the left has anything to be worried about, it's that kind of attitude, not what the people who won't give up their right to free speech will do if people keep trying to take it away from them, and attempt to villify and persecute them for using it.

It's intollerance that is dividing America, America is not a sliding board where one party gets to take a turn going DOWN, while the other party waits for it's turn patiently and silently to go DOWN.

For pity's sake.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by djvexd
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Fair enough. THIS COUNTRY IS BROKEN. How can we fix it?
second line


BAN lobbyists, make all elections 100% publicly funded equally funded (so we can see candidates management skills on a strict budget), introduce two of three more parties with access to that finance system, End the fed, eliminate NAFTA...

I would start in that order myself, how about you?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Why is the left so scared and obsessed with G. Beck? Seems they are his most loyal viewers. To think any news commentator can be dangerous for America is ridiculous. This isn't Venezuela, China or Europe. Don't like something, don't watch it. You won't catch me watching MSNBC or Jon Stewart. I'm not going to cry about how how ridiculous their shows are, either. It just seems some are desperate because the change they voted for turned out to be a chump, so they continue their partisan attacks against anyone who doesn't tow the party line. Maybe they feel they have to attack someone, and direct the frustration they feel for Obama on the usual targets- Fox News and its personalities and President Bush.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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Glen is just one face of that glimmering, multi-faceted poo gem of a network. They look spiffy, with their banners and their graphics and their awesome set pieces, but once you get past all that you find out they're full of crap.


I don't like any of the MSM; I've always prided myself on pulling from many resources to help me figure out the truth. You are absolutely correcto mundo with Your above statement............ "poo gem"
Fox is the worst of all the MSM's with set pieces............ the T&A from female host's are the worst. It's like watching a bunch of half dressed porn babes talking.................oh wait, it's not like it, but is........ The "Red Eye" show actually had a porn star helping host for a while. Yes, their "set pieces" are way over done.

One last thing, for fun I tuned into GB on 9/12, and he was talking about his elaborate set, and how he didn't need it, but the network forced him...
........totally serious.



Once in a great while he'll bang the small government drum and I'll watch it on youtube and find myself nodding in agreement, but his brand of journalism only serves to polarize debate and stamp out rational discourse.


I have been in the same boat, and I've ended in the same general area as You. He picks, and chooses his fights. He shy's away from many of the more pertinent areas, like war, but is a stickler to others; biased is an easy assessment.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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But come on! You have to admit, MSNBC and liberal mainstream media is no better, probably worse in many ways.


Yeah, they all piss me off to varying degrees. No doubt.

Beck probably moreso than most, because he makes it impossible for a person to argue for constitutional allegiance, small government, 2nd amendment rights, and free speech without being identified with the moronic fringe.

If you make sci-fi movies about government conspiracies, you forever relegate those theories to the realm of fiction. By the same token, when Beck starts flapping his mouth about the constitution, he relegates those with similar opinions to the fringe - and don't think it's an accident.

The same principle used to craft lies is being used to discredit truth - take a small lie and wrap it with truths, and you increase the chances of it being swallowed. Using the same principle, Beck takes a kernel of good sense and wraps it in a crunchy exterior of insanity - he poisons the truth and changes its nature. He makes the one side allergic to anything that sounds like nonsense, while at the same time, his nonsense is taken as gospel by the hordes of nutters who tune in religiously.

It's a double whammy, and I don't like it.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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You Know, A LOT of these people that showed up to these Tea Parties showed up because of Beck. Not ALL, but ALOT of them did. Regardless if they showed up because of Paul, or Beck, THEY SHOWED UP.
To say that a man who gets people to rally up against corruption is somehow a MadMan, than I would hate to see the people who are supposed to Oversea the Corrupt ones. Beck is an ENTERTAINER. At the sime time, he is also a journalist, but when he mixes the two, HES BECK.
People must really be scared of this man. At first I was believing he was a target, now I am starting to believe that he is becomming a leader, and people DO NOT LIKE THAT. Esp the people in the current administration.
Beck shouldnt be the guy you worry about, your political leaders are the ones you need to start cracking down on. NEWSMAN ARE THE FALLOUT GUYS FOR POLITICAL PIMPS. KNOW THAT.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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I couldn't agree more. However this BS of wihch talk show host said what is the problem. We can't move forward unless we put this retardation aside.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
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But come on! You have to admit, MSNBC and liberal mainstream media is no better, probably worse in many ways.


Yeah, they all piss me off to varying degrees. No doubt.

Beck probably moreso than most, because he makes it impossible for a person to argue for constitutional allegiance, small government, 2nd amendment rights, and free speech without being identified with the moronic fringe.

If you make sci-fi movies about government conspiracies, you forever relegate those theories to the realm of fiction. By the same token, when Beck starts flapping his mouth about the constitution, he relegates those with similar opinions to the fringe - and don't think it's an accident.

The same principle used to craft lies is being used to discredit truth - take a small lie and wrap it with truths, and you increase the chances of it being swallowed. Using the same principle, Beck takes a kernel of good sense and wraps it in a crunchy exterior of insanity - he poisons the truth and changes its nature. He makes the one side allergic to anything that sounds like nonsense, while at the same time, his nonsense is taken as gospel by the hordes of nutters who tune in religiously.

It's a double whammy, and I don't like it.


True, I can see what you intelligently wrote. Still wonder exactly where Beck was during the questionable Bush administration? lol But I will still no doubt rather watch FOX News any day over Madow or Olberman. I have watched a few of their shows and it is a joke! So in some ways, I get pissed off whether it is a left wing or right wing commentator that I don't think is doing correct level-headed debate job. But I do actually give major props out to Bill O'Reilly. I think he has been level-headed and fair with the Obama administration. He has essentially has not changed with his debating compared from the Bush administration to the Obama administration. His reporting and hard questions have been fair to both sides. Just my opinion of what I can see.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Common Good
Beck is an ENTERTAINER. At the sime time, he is also a journalist, but when he mixes the two, HES BECK.


One outta two ain't bad. He IS NOT a journalist.


He never attended Cornell or Harvard. He has never taken a journalism class, and he doesn't claim to be a journalist. In fact Beck does not have a College Degree.


Source

Regarding your claim he is a Leader. Perfectly fine. Organize, hold meetings, develop rules, appoint leaders. Pretty soon you become an equally corrupt replacement to the government you oppose. History is full of examples.

Same irony that the Phony Patriots employ when they hint at violent revolt and overthrow of the government, yet they claim Obama was a pal to "terrorists."
( Weather Underground, Black Panthers etc.) Pure hypocrisy.



[edit on 17-9-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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Honestly thank you. This is something that I was hoping ATS would go to. LISTEN TO EVERYTHING! Then make your mind up. This presidency has done more to seperate us than bring us together. All the more easier to enact what they want.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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ummm I have listened to his TV show and radio show...he has never claimed he graduated from Cornell...stop the partisan attack garbage.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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You should read the quote in context. I provided a link. It is YOU who is attacking me.
Stay on topic Dude.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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Glenn Beck has about just the same amount of education as Alex Jones does. I guess you can still self-educate yourself and be smart. But I tend to actually listen more and give more credibility to someone who has graduated from a well-known college, like Bill O'Reilly who graduated from well respected Boston University and Harvard University. I can see the debating difference.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
To my knowledge (I do not watch his show) has not advocated violence, or the violent over throw of the country.


These things are done by suggestive association, using a guest to use more inflamatory speech paired with a hot topic or two hot topics in proximity-- say, a guest saying "we need a nuclear attack to wake America up" or 2nd amendment rights and illegal immigration issues in close proximity or even in the same segment (gun running and Mexican drug cartels).

Pair those associations with his hysteria and it whips the viewers into a frenzy to do something about "the problem". Soon the viewer starts talking about shooting anyone trying to cross the border and eventually the sentiment grows to include anyone that they think looks like they might be-- concrete personal experience here, today even. Some may decide to go through with it-- no concrete experience here, fortunately.

This stuff is pretty simple to catch onto.

[edit on 9/17/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

America is not a sliding board where one party gets to take a turn going DOWN, while the other party waits for it's turn patiently and silently to go DOWN.

For pity's sake.



Ah, it shouldn't be...

This exactly what I think BECK understands this is what the woefully misguided "anti racists'" on the left understand.


My beef with Beck is multi tiered, for one he works in a very methodical way to ratchet up his commentary, BECK often speaks about the SHOCKING, revealing nature of a future show. Then BECK systematically devises a method to route his narrative so that when that future show aires the entire concept has been reinforced many times over. IT is a fine bit of acting, broadcasting majesty and psychology, the likes of which I have never seen.
I disagree with inflammatory purpose of this saga... He claims to be spreading the notion of "waking up" thru non partisan action and informing. Yet, the very nature of his show systematically promotes the opposite reality. Much akin to a con man, who can only achieve his objective by reinforcing the appearance of the polar opposite of his true intent. For a man who wants "America back", it seems his actions only further what has "taken" America in the first place

The Great divide






[edit on 17-9-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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I have been going on the record. I think GB is doing some good, BUT he is nothing more than friendly opposition.

The masses to some degree are waking up, and the Elite have to play a sticky game, but they always have, and like it.

GB is their answer to combating a growing number of People waking up, and standing up. It's a dangerous game because imo it only works by giving up enough information to make the masses waking trust him, or any "point of Light" as the grand shepherd.


Sancho my friend, we must for our own benefit always be able to see the forest for the trees.

Beck is in the employ and is a vassal of a Knight of the English Crown. The English Crown is controlled, beholden too and partnered with Rome.

Beck is simply a pawn on the board designed to give insurance and safeguard that Obama will not slip his leash.

The hippie counter revolutionary movement was designed to crush Nixon if need be, that is the last time that something major went down with the Fed and the International Monetary Fund and the World Banking System.

There must be a credible stick in play to go along with the carrot offered to the puppet.

What people wound up on anger fear and paranoia hopes and dreams always fail to realize there is only one way to slip the chains and shackles of bondage created by the illusionary and ceremonial currency and economic system and that is a world wide revolt.

Even if the people sweep the land and throw out the current government it's international debts still stand, the system of economic slavery still stands, without money to buy our freedom, and there is simply not enough to do that even if we all pooled every penny since the actual currency we do have is actually an instrument of debt. We can not buy out our title and out of debt with instruments of debt.

The only way the people of this once, proud, mighty and great nation ever regain their actual freedom is if the entire planet gains it at the same time, and the whole world wide monetary system is thrown down simultaneously by all nations and peoples and it's principals and their families executed and their lands and possessions gold and silver and titles confiscated and the Holy See is raised and burnt to the ground along with all it's iconic imagery.

The first person who appears on the media or political scene who is saying that is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Anyone else is just manipulating us and the illusion that enslaves us Sancho.




[edit on 17/9/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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Interesting. I take it Obama believes the Earth is 4000 years old and cave men rode around on dinosaurs? He is a Christian, right?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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ANYONE can be a "journalist". You dont have to go to college to be a journalist.
Hell, if you really think about it, Many of us on ATS are journalists. More people on this site do much better research then most of the Newsmen and magazine writers out there. If I had a choice between reading an a news article from either A] a Newsman or B}someone from here, Id go here, I always do.

So to say Beck isnt a journalist, makes no sense. He follows storys day by day, asks the questions. and gets some answers. Thats what journalists do. They research and provide you with information. Pretty simple actually.

The hate runs deep.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Beck is in the employ and is a vassal of a Knight of the English Crown. The English Crown is controlled, beholden too and partnered with Rome.


Yes, this is the technique at work, first stage. It starts by pointing the finger to someone as an oppressor and immediate threat to raise the level of hatred against them then associating it with action.

Moving on...


Beck is simply a pawn on the board designed to give insurance and safeguard that Obama will not slip his leash.

The hippie counter revolutionary movement was designed to crush Nixon if need be, that is the last time that something major went down with the Fed and the International Monetary Fund and the World Banking System.

...


Yes, the middle part...the segue...let the the first part fade a little but anchor it...


There must be a credible stick in play to go along with the carrot offered to the puppet.

What people wound up on anger fear and paranoia hopes and dreams always fail to realize there is only one way to slip the chains and shackles of bondage created by the illusionary and ceremonial currency and economic system and that is a world wide revolt.


And yep. There's the last part.

You know how to do this quite well. Wash, rinse, repeat.





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