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Man's fingers lost after violent alien attack in underground base

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by C-JEAN

Phil Schneider was a paranoid-schizophrenic. . .

PROOFS ??? SOURCES ???



Oh come on now don't be silly... the skeptic side doesn't need proof... they can make any wild claim they want and always lay the burden of proof on the other side

How dumb is that? :puz;




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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I seen all his videos long before I was on ATS.

Yeah , I think he was telling the truth.Mainly because he was more concerned about what the Federal Goverment was up too than the Aliens.

"A battle with Aliens, earth shattering news... and he was worried about the fed and about being a patriot."

Thats why I think he was for real.

[edit on 9/17/2009 by Grayelf2009]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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The classic Dulce Wars and Phil Schneider, it is as much a part of ufology as anything. Personally I believe him, Thomas Castello, and Paul Bennewitz. IMHO the Dulce alien/US biogenetic lab being real is a real possibility, but more evidence is needed.

Here is a lengthy report on the Dulce base by "Branton":

The Dulce Files



Here is an interview with a reported security guard at the base, Thomas Castello:


Paul Bennewitz the first to break the Dulce base open in the mid 80s, since then Phil and Thomas have been about it as far as whistleblowers, although some more reports from reported abductees have surfaced, the Dulce base remains a true enigma in ufology. If true the implications are staggering to say the least, if false than it is one hell of a story and the person who made it up needs to write for Hollywood IMHO. Thanks for sharing...




[edit on 9/17/2009 by jkrog08]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Great information! I'm actually a bit weirded out after having watched all of the videos...


I really hope Castello is lying - but for some reason ...

[edit on 18-9-2009 by xEphon]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:38 AM
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About to watch the Castello video, it'll be a first time for me so i'm
extremely interested.

Phil Schneider really strikes me as someone who was genuinely SCARED, but felt a duty to let people know what is really going on right under our noses.
The manner in which he died, and what his wife had to say afterwards, are really the most telling things to me. He was obviously revealing at LEAST part of the truth to have been removed in such a blatant and obvious manner.

Okay off to the vid!



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Skeptical EdAnyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!


So why did you say you joined this site?




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
reply to post by dmorgan
 


I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!


So, you didn't bother to look at the material, or listen to the lecture, or research any of it. You just decided it was a farse from one line.

Deny ignorance my friend


The thing is, so many people claim he's a schizo and whatnot, and their backing(as seen in this thread) is always "I have as much proof of it as you do that he's telling the truth."

Well, there's an issue with that.

I went to one of his lectures. I saw the metals and organics he presented. I saw the scars on his chest. I've SPOKEN to his ex-wife, not just read about her.

While none of those things are definitive, they are EVIDENCE. The debunking side has no evidence. The burden is now on them to debunk his evidence. And they can't. So they jump to schizophrenic, or whatever.

He may have been lying, but, bottom line, if he was, it was a well constructed lie. It's not as if he just threw it out there and expected everyone to believe it.




edit for spelling

[edit on 18-9-2009 by captaintyinknots]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by xEphon
So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...


John Lear. Remember him? John is still living, and still talking about what he knows. I heard him just yesterday on Art Bell. Bob Lazar is still alive. there are others too. The thing about Phil is he actually worked at building these Deep Underground Military Bases.
(DUMBS) I can even tell you where one entrance is, but I don't know exactly how to find the door itself. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. I highly suspect another is at, or near Denver Airport, and on or near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Phil Schneiders 1995 premise (from part 4 of 7 on You Tube)... that secretions from the glands of our missing human children worldwide are being used as a means of aliens getting "high"...with a government OK, then a war is waged with these aliens who want more & more kids.

...This is the same premise as the 2009 BBC mini-series "Torchwood" special. Aliens take kids for gland secretions, which give them a "high" & come back for millions more from a willing global community!...until a war is waged!

This guys courage is grandstanding via storytelling... its all about me is typical 1990s UFO paranoia ...very pre 9-11...militias & taking back the country...freedom... aliens want to enslave the world...he is the lone ranger, out there, in the line of fire...How 20th century! his presentation is a lecture, not a disclosure. It did not educate. We get patriotic statements but no real details, just politics. ..By Pt. 6 he is promoting a book he is writing which will give the real details! How typical for that time in the 1990s.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by secretnasaman


...This is the same premise as the 2009 BBC mini-series "Torchwood" special. Aliens take kids for gland secretions, which give them a "high" & come back for millions more from a willing global community!...until a war is waged!



So the BBC made a show that is similar to a portion of Phil's story 14 years after he told it. What exactly is your point?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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I didn't say why I joined ATS. But since you broached it, I joined ATS because once in a while something of interest pops up. Until it does, I'm sort of like you, busting balls whenever there's an opening. Since I'm anti-alien and will challenge all pro-alien claims, your reply sounds to me as if you support their reality and that there is something to this Dulce claim. What say you?


Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Skeptical EdAnyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!


So why did you say you joined this site?




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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It still amazes me when individuals point up John Lear as if he knew something no one else knows. John was/may still be one of the weirdest individuals living. His unbelieveable claims still ring amongst these hallowed halls.

Bob Lazar's UFO, the S-4, as depicted by Testor ("Testor Area 51 S4 1:48 model kit Bob Lazar" at your nearest YouTube), is a replica of a "Billy" Meier "Beamship" which makes you wonder who's lying, Meier or Lazar.


Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by xEphon
So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...


John Lear. Remember him? John is still living, and still talking about what he knows. I heard him just yesterday on Art Bell. Bob Lazar is still alive. there are others too. The thing about Phil is he actually worked at building these Deep Underground Military Bases.
(DUMBS) I can even tell you where one entrance is, but I don't know exactly how to find the door itself. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. I highly suspect another is at, or near Denver Airport, and on or near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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I became aware of the Dulce fiasco back in the 1980s when the subject became known. To cut to the chase, here is what wikipedia has to say about, but this is not all there is: "Dulce Base is the name for an alleged secret underground facility under Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico, United States. The base is claimed to be a multi-leveled "genetics lab" in which both humans and extraterrestrial beings cooperatively conduct experiments.[1] To date, very little evidence confirming the existence of this facility has surfaced. It is widely regarded to be a hoax and an urban legend."

I don't need wikipedia to verify what I already knew. Dulce never happened, it was created by the usual gang of UFO idiots. You obviously are a believer which means you don't question. I don't have a belief system as I depend entirely on evidence. You either know or don't know. Beliefs are for the simple minded.

What you saw was not empirical evidence, it was only evidence for you since you are a believer in the fantastic. The power of lies can be seen in many courtrooms across the USA where innocent people are convicted on lies.


Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
reply to post by dmorgan
 


I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!


So, you didn't bother to look at the material, or listen to the lecture, or research any of it. You just decided it was a farse from one line.

Deny ignorance my friend


The thing is, so many people claim he's a schizo and whatnot, and their backing(as seen in this thread) is always "I have as much proof of it as you do that he's telling the truth."

Well, there's an issue with that.

I went to one of his lectures. I saw the metals and organics he presented. I saw the scars on his chest. I've SPOKEN to his ex-wife, not just read about her.

While none of those things are definitive, they are EVIDENCE. The debunking side has no evidence. The burden is now on them to debunk his evidence. And they can't. So they jump to schizophrenic, or whatever.

He may have been lying, but, bottom line, if he was, it was a well constructed lie. It's not as if he just threw it out there and expected everyone to believe it.




edit for spelling

[edit on 18-9-2009 by captaintyinknots]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by harryallard
I know the thread title sounds like a tabloid headline, but today I heard about a video I would really like to see.
My friend told me the video is an interview with the sole survivor of some sort of team that were attacked by aliens living in an underground base. The man describes how he lost his fingers to some sort of alien weapon, and shows the injury.
I'm sorry that I'm being so vague, but that's the depth of information I've got. The story sounds fascinating and I'm sure other ATS'ers would love to see this as much as I would.
So if anyone knows the video I'm talking about, or just the man's name, I'd be grateful if you posted it here.
Cheers


Do you have any idea how many threads are about Phil Schneider in this board? I suggest you next time search ATS before opening a new thread. Here some of the threads you'll find about the subject:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and more and more here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

20 pages of results.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Telos]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
It still amazes me when individuals point up John Lear as if he knew something no one else knows. John was/may still be one of the weirdest individuals living. His unbelieveable claims still ring amongst these hallowed halls.


You would actually be amazed at what John really knows and more to the point WHO he knows... but if I told you you would merely find a way to make those people out to be nutcases too...

The really funny thing is... if people like yourself did not go around life with their head up their... well they might get to meet some interesting people as well.

There is one person on here in particular that plays a skeptic but could single handedly proof one of my 'theories' but since he told me this in confidence... we shall have to wait till he comes out of the 'closet'

In the meantime, enjoy your bliss...


As to DULCE... if it exists I will find it
I do not expect to find it near Dulce... at least not within 50 miles... all the major military operations are normally miles from the city or region they are named after

I found OKNO Elint 85 miles away from the town where it was supposed to be, where the workers live... Google even sent for new images on that find and its now as clear as day

I found India's HAARP and put that on the Map


Tunnels...

Did you know that 8000 miles of tunnel were dug in America and Western Europe in the 1960s.?

Did you know that the LA times carried an article on the construction of the high speed underground transit lines? Dated 1972?

LA TIMES, JUNE 11, 1972
"L.A. to N.Y. in Half an Hour?
10,000 - M.P.H. Tunnel Train Plan Developed
By: Times Science Writer - George Getz

I am 99.9% sure I know were the Las Vegas entry elevator is
Actually going to check it out in the next few weeks...

Next time you see a NAVY Seal... ask him/her if they have ridden the "Tubes"... just that nothing more... see what reaction you get...

Also ask yourself why the US Air Force needs its very one tunnel boring machine



Here is the one from Area 51 that was used for Yucca Mountain complex



Last I hear it's for sale... so maybe ATS can pick it up make our own DUMB



Nuclear Tunnel Boring Machines (NTBM's)

Three patents

Method and Apparatus for Tunneling by Melting
Publication number: US3693731
Publication date: 1972-09-26

Apparatus and Method for Large Tunnel Excavation in Hard Rock
Publication number: US3885832
Publication date: 1975-05-27

Apparatus and Method for Large Tunnel Excavation in Soft & Incompetent Rock or Ground
Publication number: US3881777
Publication date: 1975-05-06

And I really like THIS monster... now THAT can dig some serious holes





posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
I became aware of the Dulce fiasco back in the 1980s when the subject became known. To cut to the chase, here is what wikipedia has to say about, but this is not all there is: "Dulce Base is the name for an alleged secret underground facility under Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico, United States. The base is claimed to be a multi-leveled "genetics lab" in which both humans and extraterrestrial beings cooperatively conduct experiments.[1] To date, very little evidence confirming the existence of this facility has surfaced. It is widely regarded to be a hoax and an urban legend."

I don't need wikipedia to verify what I already knew. Dulce never happened, it was created by the usual gang of UFO idiots. You obviously are a believer which means you don't question. I don't have a belief system as I depend entirely on evidence. You either know or don't know. Beliefs are for the simple minded.

What you saw was not empirical evidence, it was only evidence for you since you are a believer in the fantastic. The power of lies can be seen in many courtrooms across the USA where innocent people are convicted on lies.


Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
What a surprise, someone on this site assumes they know all about someone else.

The thing is, I have heard exactly two people that I believe as far as the alien subject goes. It just so happens that Phil Schneider is one of them. To assume I'm a believer so therefore I dont question, is, well, downright idiotic.

Again, I'd love for you to provide anything you can that debunks any bit of what Schneider says. Until you do, you are what you claim to be against-a person dealing in absolutes who does not question the subject matter whatsoever.

Good day.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Telos
Do you have any idea how many threads are about Phil Schneider in this board?

Thanks for the links, but you'll notice that the OP didn't know the guys name, OR the name of the base - so how was he supposed to search for it?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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but more evidence is needed.? How about some evidence? Anything! You know, stuff like this that is believed by the gullible keeps religion going.


Originally posted by jkrog08
The classic Dulce Wars and Phil Schneider, it is as much a part of ufology as anything. Personally I believe him, Thomas Castello, and Paul Bennewitz. IMHO the Dulce alien/US biogenetic lab being real is a real possibility, but more evidence is needed.
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