Originally posted by MessedUpAnnie
Me personally, I would not join. I wouldn't be used as a pawn to go kill people for oil or whatever the reason is that the US gives these days
.... oh right, terrorism.
I guess that quote from you up there didn't mean anything then. Rolling your eyes because we are fighting terrorism, instead of sitting down and
waiting for more people to get killed.
We went to Iraq for many reasons, one of the reasons is because we know that Iraq/Saddam had helped many terrorists, we had to start somewhere and
Iraq was showing signs once more of build up and that they had adquired WMD, and since in the past Iraq "invaded" Kuwait, alongside the truth that
Iraq is right in the middle of the Middle East...a good strategic point to find and root out any terrorists.
Also perhaps you missed it, but many dissidents from Iraq were requesting for the U.S to go there and take care of Saddam, there were many hearings
before we started the war and iraqis that live here were presenting their cases and showing information from people that are still living in Iraq.
We never said Iraq is the only country that harbors terrorists, and that the war on terror ends there, but for the above reasons and probably some
more we went there first.
Am I racist against Islamic extremists or anyone that sends kids with bombs strapped to their chests, or put up bombs and make other acts like 9/11
and 3/11 to kill civilians? You bet, I don't give a crap if they are white, black chinese or whatever race, they could be an alien race from another
planet for all i care.
BTW, you are asking if Saddam killed 3,000 people? lol...where have you been? Saddam has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and those that
oppose him. Gasing and killing entire villages.
"With Saddam gone, an international group led by a California couple, one a native of Iraq's marshes, hopes to begin restoring things as they once
Just 20 years ago, 450,000 people lived at what some believe was the site of the biblical Garden of Eden. The Madan civilization, also known as the
"Marsh Arabs," traced their roots back 5,000 years to the Sumerians.
Today, an estimated 10,000 residents remain in the marshes — but tens of thousands are believed to want to return.
"There are 70,000 refugees staying in Iran, waiting to come back," said Azzam Alwash, a native of southern Iraq who now lives with his wife Suzie in
Fullerton, Calif. "When they come back, they want to have their marshes back."
Ancient Culture Ravaged
Many Marsh Arabs were driven off after the 1991 Gulf War when a vengeful Saddam, angered by U.S.-encouraged uprisings, began draining the marshes and
killing members of the population.
Some of the Iraqis who rebelled against Saddam took refuge in the marshes after the uprisings failed. "Saddam could not follow them up with the tanks
and armored weapons, so instead he set about drying the marshes," Alwash told ABCNEWS affiliate KABC-TV in Los Angeles. "He deprived them of a way
of life and the ability to live in our forest."
Human rights groups have called the assault on the marshes and its people genocide, and have said it could be among the charges if Saddam is ever
prosecuted for war crimes (see sidebar, at bottom).
Before Saddam drained the wetlands, the Madan lifestyle flourished. Residents would pole past reed banks and islands in long carved boats, fishing,
farming rice or harvesting dates for food and trade. Villages with humble homes and bigger arched bamboo meeting halls dotted the marshes that
extended over an area roughly half the size of Ohio.
The Alwashes are working to restore what they call Iraq's Sherwood Forest. They've formed the "Eden Again" project, and next month will team up
with scientists from around the world, who will look for ways to saturate the area so the Iraqis who fled can one day return.
The former wetlands are expected to take years to saturate, because the land covers thousands of miles.
But besides the cultural reasons for restoring the land, it also has historical significance.
"It's the birthplace of Abraham," says Suzie Alwash. "It is where [the ancient myth] The Epic of Gilgamesh was enacted. It's very important for a
number of religions and for humanity." "
Excerpts taken from.
This post on the Command-Post leads to this article, "Regime sucked life out of marshes" (flash! Saddam's regime sucks!), on Gulf News. Upshot of
the story? Saddam deliberately destroyed one of the world's great wetlands in an effort to destroy the Marsh Arabs, who had opposed him. The wetlands
was reduced from over 200,000 square kilometers to ten percent of that size. 210,000 of the people who had lived in those marshes for thousands of
years were killed or relocated.
Excerpts taken from.
"February 18, 2004
BOB EDWARDS, host: The US military has issued a new list of Iraq's most wanted. The 32 names include key suspects in the post-Saddam insurgency
against the US occupation. Of the 55 names on the military's original list, all but 10 have been killed or captured. Number one on that list was
Saddam Hussein. Iraqi authorities say they plan to put the captured former leader on trial as early as the summer for mass murder and other crimes
against the Iraqi people. A trial would reveal details of Saddam's nearly 25-year regime and give the dictator a chance to defend himself before a
worldwide audience. NPR's Christopher Joyce reports that the trial also could reveal more about the social and political conditions that lead to
CHRISTOPHER JOYCE reporting:
Genocide is a 20th century word. It was invented during the Holocaust to describe the annihilation of a group by the state, but Old Testament stories
and Homeric epics suggest the practice is ancient. What is new is that people are now tried for it under international law. Human rights groups say
there's abundant evidence the Iraqi government committed genocide against the Kurds in Iraq in the late 1980s. They say persecution of Shia Muslims
in the south in the 1990s could constitute crimes against humanity: widescale murder, though not an attempt to wipe out a whole population.
Besides Saddam's guilt or innocence, a trial could also dwell on the question of: What caused his government to commit mass murder? It's a subject
that preoccupies Gregory Stanton, who runs a group called Genocide Watch. Stanton helped create the international tribunal for the Rwanda genocide in
1994. He says certain cultural risks heighten the risk of genocide, the way fault lines mark an earthquake zone. "
Excerpts taken from.
Perhaps you don't even know what his two sons did for fun?
They enjoyed to torture people, one of his sons was a soccer player and if his team lost he would kill them, the other son if he saw a woman he liked
and she had a boyfriend, he would kill the boyfriend and have the woman as long as he wanted to. Good men his two sons were huh.....
BTW......You want to kick my ass, or send others to do it?
That's a good one.
The Rwanda genocide...we had nothing to do with it, we actually were helping the resistance against the oppresor, who was being helped by none other
than the French... What?? the French helping in a genocide of hundreds of thousands of people? Yep, the same way they sided with China to show
military muscle in taiwan before the "free elections".
Clinton was in office at that time, and much like so many people in here that don't want us to do anything against "terrorism" and whould prefer we
stayed away trying to root out extremists....that's exactly what Clinton did, he didn't want to be involved in anything. He did nothing when we
were attacked in the U.S Cole and other terrorist attacks that were done against us.
If it was Bush in office, he would have done what he did in Haiti, I guess everyone is forgetting about that.... We stopped bloodshed in haiti by
doing what the people wanted done.
BTW on February 26th 1993 the WTC was attacked, so the extremists were planning to do this for a long time.
[Edited on 15-5-2004 by Muaddib]