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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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Who cares if it's "real life". It degrades all of us, most of all those who get their jollies over this !@#$%^&*() garbage.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by maria_stardust
 

I have worked as a volunteer aiding abused women, and not once have I ever come across an instance where a victim of rape hasn't been scarred or traumatized.

Your volunteer work is commendable.
Did you ever also work with males who were raped?

Before I carry on I want to suggest we cannot look at the Rape and box it into women only, and also realise it just one experience of physical abuse, if an abuser puts a lighted cigarrette up their victims nose, and burns someone repeatedly, against their will, causing extreme pain, violating them internally is that a "Lesser" rape or crime just as it is not sexual?

We and I hope you know this considering the role you played have to be honest, Rape is not about Sexual gratification, most Rapists are in long term sexual partnerships and have an active sex life.

It is about control and domination, it is the same driver as makes a Bully beat up the dork in school. It is about low self esteem.

The rich man speak down to the waiter or the hollywood wife verbally belittle the mexican maid.

The KKK hanging the African man.

It is Abu Graib.
etc etc ad infinitum.

"Rape" is not special or a category of its own it is just one form of abuse, though arguably the worst.

It is about, that is all abuse regaining that low self esteem (except in certain sociopathic labels which is a very diffarent kettle of fish altogether.)


To even suggest that rape victims turn to fantasy rape as a form of self-therapy is despicable in all shapes and forms.


Dispicable to your beliefs and thought process Maria, and maybe most others....
However
I wouldnt label personally ANY behaviour by an abuse victim, a mental health driven event, etc as Dispicable.....

Personally for me that is very offensive, and bordering on dispicable itself.

I will tell you why it is so.

If a person who has no triggers for such behaviour such as being abused, raped, chemical imbalances, or the other 1000's of childhood, adult etc scenarios that can damage their normal thought, belief and emotional behaviours.... then themselves the person who has no such causal factors for the twisted as you say veiw, interaction and behaviour and feelings looks upon others, who have a real and valid reason for a damaged interpersonal behaviour and emotions, with equally derrogatry and control veiws it is of my mind worse... sorry but true.

By suggesting as you do, you are further doing the worst thing possible to any victims of abuse, however it may come about, as happens and I am sure you equally vehemently oppose, the humiliation of Court Trials for rape victims, and being cross examined by the defence.

The same as a child abuser messing with the emotions of a child, if you tell (i.e. do what feels normal to regain control) x will happen.

You did in that sentence mentally and emotionally in a way rape any victims of abuse who do act in such a way, though they have a valid reason for their behaviour if that is the way the affects of the abuse manifested for them.

You carried on the feelings of guilt and shame, which lower the ego strength etc, and is the primary cause of the behaviour, suicide, self harming or regaining of power or control that many who are abused tend to act out in life.



Perhaps a deluded, twisted mind might contemplate such a sick scenario, but I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that these situations are unlikely to exist in the real world.

You obviously have no experience of the untold and hushed due to shame, reality of the modern penal system.

Most men raped in prison, are raped by someone who was raped themselves when first entering the system.

I know that from a person who actually suffered it.


Rape victims have a hard enough time coming to terms with such a life changing event. You are going to be hard pressed to find one willing to relive, or re-enact, one of the most nightmarish events of their lives.

Pop pyschology 101 lol,
Please see the Cited links at the bottom.



The fact that this line of reasoning even exists in any form or fashion is downright appalling.


Quite. Dispicable actually??

It is though not a line of reasoning it is behaviour, emotions and actions which are not based on a logical reasoning process but the subconscious and beliefs.

Personally in my own life, outside of the Mental Health qualifications and work I have done, I once had a long term relationship with a woman who a few years in told me she was raped by husband. I knew something was up and infact worked hard to get her to release it, speak about it for the first time. She had very subtle control issues though not sexual in actual acts, were using sex and power over men.

I wont go into details about other aspects here but I do personally as I said have some broad experience of this Maria, and to be honest your post has shocked me as you worked in the field.

I also have a close friend who when very young was sexually abused, raped within the home by a family member.

For a long time she used sex as a form of control over men, had hugely promiscious behaviour (which is a very common norm for rape victims male and female no matter when the event in their life happens) and enjoyed repeatedly having affairs, breaking mens hearts, getting them to loose long freindships by coming on strongly to her current partners best freinds etc....She at that time loved the control, power, being able to change others lives and cause disruption and general chaos.

Again she was not actually fantasing about and acting out being raped again, but was certainly using sex to gain control and power. She also did once I know very roughly treat another woman, and told me she didnt get any sexual pleasure from it but

"Loved the look of fear in her eyes"
As she herself acted out her understandable Penis Envy on the woman with the sexual aid required.

Which is what it is all about Control and power.

Taking back that which you perceive was taken from you in the act.

This was many years ago and since then she has come a long way, stopped externalising that anger, guilt, shame and lack of control, and internalising it to with drinking and is a wonderful mum with a very good job giving back to society.

To think all "women" who are "Raped" or rather ABUSED are a special category and immune from normal reactive effects, behaviours and changes as seen with Bullies, Suicide Bombers, Child Beaters, Bigots etc etc is in itself very naive.

Take 10 school bullies, I will show you 8-9 battered children. Then if you looked at who is doing the battering at home than looked at their childhood in the last generation, again you would find the parents having it done by theirs or someone else.

Show me a suicide Bomber and I will show you a dead Arabian child or bombed village.

Show me a Paedophile, and again out of 10 7-8 will have been abused themselves as children.

It is cycles and unfortunately to be honest unlike your over sensitivised view and kid gloves approach to Rape Victims they to will in some way behave in ways that allow an outlet for the power, control thing either externally or internally. Sorry a fact, as said they might not go asking for swingers nights with forced gang bangs, but watch their kids very closely, and your man/husband if any are freinds. If not this keep them off the booze and drugs, and encourage self love so reactive depression does not kick in or OCD etc.

Ok so some facts to about this OP


Most strippers, as with other women who work in the sex industry, are adult
survivors of childhood sexual abuse. Research indicates the number is between60%-80%. One study found that 35% of strippers have Multiple Personality Disorder, 55% had Borderline Personality Disorder, and 60% had Major Depressive Episodes, These are severe psychiatric problems and many of them are connected to childhood sexual abuse. These are women who when they were little girls would get into their beds each night and roll themselves into a fetal position and every night he would come in and peel her open. The physical and visual invasion of little girl's bodies damages them psychologically and gives them a psychologically unhealthy view of sexuality. Often as adults they reenact their childhood trauma by working as strippers, Playboy models, and prostitutes.These women work in the sex industry because it feels like home.

Mary Anne Layden, Ph. D., Director for Women's Psychological Health

In fact if not Rape Per Se, unlike some here have said,
Though the Fantasy of rough, forced and aggressive sex IS the leading female fantasy:


Force is a particularly common theme in sexual fantasies (Hariton, 1973; Hariton & Singer, 1974; Knafo & Jaffe, 1984; Marcus, 1981; Pelletier & Herold, 1988; Strassberg & Lockerd, 1998). In their study on women's sexual fantasies during intercourse, Hariton and Singer found submission fantasies to be very common, second in occurrence only to the theme of an "imaginary lover." In more recent studies of women's sexuality, more than half of the participants reported having force fantasies (Pelletier & Herold; Strassberg & Lockerd). In Knafo and Jaffe's study, the most common sexual fantasy entertained among women during intercourse was that of being overpowered.

Journal of Sex Research nov 2006

I dont condone these videos at all, everyoe watching porn should look here:
Shelley Lubben The facts from a Ex Porn Star but Just because it may upset some, honesty on sex and power and abuse should not be shyed from.

As Germain Greer said a couple of years ago,
"We went to far and became like the men to overcompensate for the submission and lack of power for so long"

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 17-9-2009 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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In a perfect world somebody would hunt down the freaks who made these videos and enact a fitting a terrible revenge on the evil bastards.

Seriously these are peoples mothers, daughters and sisters.

This world has gone to hell.

Personally, although i don't believe in hell, i think it SHOULD exist just for these animals....

Failing that, somebody with a lot of money and conscience should hire people to deal with these bastards....



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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It's obviously acting if these sites are willing to host it.

I guess we should be upset about all the "teachers" that do their "students" ... who look like 25 year old broads wearing a school girl skirt.

Or while were at it, lets get all them "dads" who do the "babysitter".

It's amazing, with absolutely every facet of the American life style specifically designed to extract to your money, degrade your rights, and keep you down and depressed... but people get caught up in all these 'noble' causes.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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i must say i understand where mr lizard is coming from

also wanted to say i knew this thread was going to turn this way

it took less then 2 full pages for people to come to the defense of the situation


whats that say about our society?


pretty pathetic

and obama thinks health care is the biggest problem we are facing in this generation



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Dramey
whats that say about our society?


pretty pathetic

and obama thinks health care is the biggest problem we are facing in this generation



haha, it's not healthcare, it's not the fact were losing all of our rights, it's not the fact that our freedom is shrinking, its not the fact that democracy doesn't exist, it's not the fact that presidents aren't elected rather they are chosen... it's not the fact that we have a completely fraudulent ponzi style monetary system.........

It's fantasy rape videos, where the girls are paid to act.

Yup, you nailed it. Biggest issue on earth. Good call. It's amazing what "noble" causes people will get behind to not feel like the piece of garbage that they really are.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Listen - many of the videos I saw in this 'tag' appeared to be very real indeed. There was much shedding of tears seen, that is something that is very hard to act!

The following was posted on the private discussion board, shortly after the Moderator had made his post, advising I contact the Site Administrator, which I did, a week ago, and to date no reply has been received.

"our apologies, you must have been there at every single taping of a rape to be able to know with 100% certainty that they are infact real and not fake. please make me a list of all the fake ones and all the real ones, with explanations as to why they are or arent real. report back to me tomorrow.

do you REALLY think that people want to watch obviously fake rape fantasy? of course not. so nobody is going to make them look fake. they are SUPPOSED to look real because that's what people want to watch. just because its labeled real doesn't make it real. just because it shows someone making threats doesnt mean that its real."



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Listen - many of the videos I saw in this 'tag' appeared to be very real indeed. There was much shedding of tears seen, that is something that is very hard to act!

The following was posted on the private discussion board, shortly after the Moderator had made his post, advising I contact the Site Administrator, which I did, a week ago, and to date no reply has been received.

"our apologies, you must have been there at every single taping of a rape to be able to know with 100% certainty that they are infact real and not fake. please make me a list of all the fake ones and all the real ones, with explanations as to why they are or arent real. report back to me tomorrow.

do you REALLY think that people want to watch obviously fake rape fantasy? of course not. so nobody is going to make them look fake. they are SUPPOSED to look real because that's what people want to watch. just because its labeled real doesn't make it real. just because it shows someone making threats doesnt mean that its real."



Are you arguing with yourself? I'm not absolutely certain, but it sure appears so. But then again, after creating this thread I won't put it past you.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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What I was doing was re-iterating my earlier post, the rest of the post is a continuation, because there is much talk so far of people defending that is to look as lifelike as possible - including crying, knives, weapons etc - but that it is in fact all consentual, and the woman are paid, and the crying is all down to the acting talents. There were some fictional directed films, but there was also a substantial amount of what appeared to be non-fictional filming, and it's not that hard to differentiate between acting and real life.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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Nah, to be honest though I'm looking at the site right now after TC so proudly told us it. Most of these rape videos are nothing but fetish vids, done by experienced pornstars who are really into it. Also the mere fact that not even 1% of the entire site is comprised of these fetish videos is just ridiculous that the TC has such a deal with them.

As someone else said, what were you doing at this site in the first place? That's right, you were doing something normal that ALL of us do, and ALL of us have different tastes and dislikes, commonly known as 'fetishes' and 'turn offs'. SOme people like skinny petite girls with small breasts, does that make them a pedophile? No. Some peope like to watch obviously faked rape vids, does that make them a rapist or sadist? No, it makes them a person with a fetish.

That is all. 99% of those videos are not true rape occuring, I'd give you it though, I saw one VERY compelling video abot of +10 pages there. So yeah there's no way to tell if this was an actual rape or just very good acting on the behalf of the pornstar/victim.

On to another point as someone mentioned, why would men post this? It's against the law.



[edit on 17-9-2009 by Deus Ex Machina 42]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina 42
Boo, I searched the top 100 sites and can't seem to find this one, boo!!!! You didn't deliver! BOOOOOOOOOO


Data from who.is:-

IP Location: United States
Website Status: active
Alexa Trend/Rank: 1 Month: 84
Page Views per Visit: 1 Month: 9.1

This in fact means that the website has now become the 84th most popular website in the world.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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This world has truly gone to hell. That's because the moral flower brigade with their superior morals make judgement upon sexual behaviour of others. Free consenting adults can get their kicks out of anything they desire. Other people and their moral high ground has no business judging them. It doesn't matter what you think is dirty, weird or perverted. It can be the most natural, loving and even spiritual to those who do it.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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Balance and honesty needed here me knows:


Originally posted by FouL-LiveR
Bondage Porn, or Rape Porn, is popular but fake.

The actors who play the rape victims are payed good money to do what they do. The girls know EXACTLY what they are doing, and have done it many times before.

I agree it is disgusting, but there are all kinds of disgusting people out there, not just the sickos who watch it, but the girls who do it for a living.


Please see the testimonies below about the first scenes, and read my post above this one for just because they do it, why they do... is it acceptable for children who are abused to go and sell themselves in Thailand?

No?

But then its ok when they become 18 for us not to feel sympathy and understand why they do it?



Originally posted by oneclickaway
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I find your assertions preposterous. A lot of women who are raped are scarred for life. I doubt many, if any, think…‘I know, I will go into the porn business and re-enact my torture so men can watch me and be humiliated and violated all over again. That will be therapeutic.’ Sigh.


Please see My Above post here and go to the Cited work.


Originally posted by nixie_nox
I think the screaming alone might be an indicator it isn't real. If someone was really conducting rape, you keep the victim quiet so you don't get busted.



Originally posted by king9072
It's fantasy rape videos, where the girls are paid to act.




Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina 42
Most of these rape videos are nothing but fetish vids, done by experienced pornstars who are really into it.



Originally posted by PsykoOps
Yeah right... real c'mon. How do you recon that they're real? You got any proof? Crying, knives, weapons, bondage all are part of the act. Even beating.



Originally posted by PsykoOps
Free consenting adults can get their kicks out of anything they desire.




Originally posted by MischeviousElf
I dont condone these videos at all, everyoe watching porn should look here:
Shelley Lubben The facts from a Ex Porn Star but Just because it may upset some, honesty on sex and power and abuse should not be shyed from.


And That goes for those saying to that it is all consensual and women having a good time "Acting"



"My first scene was one of the worst experiences of my life. It was very scary. It was a very rough scene. My agent didn't let me know ahead of time... I did it and I was crying and they didn't stop. It was really violent. He was hitting me. It hurt. It scared me more than anything. They wouldn't stop. They just kept rolling."
Sierra Sin


Just Acting?



I hate life. I'm a mess. A disaster. I've attempted suicide many times."

"No one cares about a dead porn star or stripper." - Neesa


Enjoying it?



"I didn’t want to feel the pain of penetration from an over average sized man, being told to freeze in a position until the camera man was happy with his shots was very painful. I had peoples body fluids forced on my face or anywhere else the producer pleased and I had to accept it or else no pay. Sometimes you would get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was supposed to be to something more intense and again if you didn’t like it, too bad, you did it or no pay."
Elizabeth Rollings


Really into it?

Love it?

The "Actresses" Telling it how it is Not Our Male Fantasy of What We would like to feel no guilt! !

Honesty is needed on this subject, as I show in my above post.

Both on the reality of the way we approach all abuse victims and accept and understand any lifestyle or behaviour their display.... and also on the horrors of the porn industry...

If the girls in the Rape scenes are Paid and consentual does that make it ok.... was it "Abuse" and not "Rape" for Sierra Sin?

If those videos are "legal" the woman still suffers and allows herself to but probably due to a previous abusive event in her life... so it's "OK" then as she says yes and gets paid?

To answer that needs a proper discussion on the Term and boundaries of what "Rape" means where the boundaries lie, as if someone agrees due to emotional or psychological problems are they of fit mind to make a Consentual choice anyhow??

Especially as a "Teen"

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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God? I wouldn't trust a word on that site. What's that 10 pornstars from how many thousand? Judge the whole industry by them?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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This thread proves one thing to me.

That even though we have an opposite measure, freedom to exploit or degenerate vs control of their own personal behavior.

Our attitude in regards to women is as backwards as the Islamic worlds is in it's own way.

No one would want their daughter to grow up to do porn or be a stripper.

Certainly No one would want that porn to be highly realistic rape porn.

Every single one of us would be highly concerned to be in a relationship with anyone who's rape fantasies either Male or Female went to such an extreme of realism on any regular basis and question their mental and sexual health to be in a relationship with.

We all know any girl who wants this level of brutal rape fantasy and is doing this for pay additionally, probably to the 90th percentile needs some help.

Not talking about legal or illegal, legal or illegal doesn't work in regards to sex anyway.

Just defending it like it's okay, like most of these girls wanted to end up in mock rape simulations for money is sort of a bit crazy tome. To defend it, to utilize it condones it and what is really going on behind the scenes. Some of these girls are scared, don't enjoy it are coerced or worse... some probably are real rapes in essence...


Just because you have a signature from a woman doesn't mean she really wasn't raped or forced to do it.

Main stream porn has gotten allot better, in pay and quality and treatment of women...

But we all know that bad things are going on behind the scenes here for sure and in these woman's lives in general and many could use help in one way or another...

Don't glorify this... It's sad that women have to do this for a living, I can't believe more than a small percentage are wiling entirely are enjoying this...

Typical court stuff involved in rape, "she had an orgasm so she enjoyed it" or "she consented and only changed her mind during or after" "it was her fantasy and I thought when she started crying it was part of the game"

Closet homosexuals angry at chicks that can't get it up without hurting her.

This is nothing you want to allow people to fetish themselves into... or encourage on any level.

I'm the first guy to say that men are beaten on pretty bad, live in situations these days where you can get in trouble, so much as raising your voice or throwing something or grabbing a girl during a mutual fight can mar you for life.... I hate the litigious Man bashing nonsense.

But don't be a fool

We all know the kind of circumstances that get a woman into this end of business and the kind of guys that prey on these women and how... and what has happened to them in the past.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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"Real Rape" is the name of a domain, I think. There are also rape forums where people talk about it, but these are protected by free speech. After I posted, I called by business partner and asked him what would happen if I just accidentally posted a real rape scene. He asked me just how was I supposed to get a model's release form from a victim? He also told me it would be a felony to do this without a release, and that I would most likely be sued out of business.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by king9072

Originally posted by Dramey
whats that say about our society?


pretty pathetic

and obama thinks health care is the biggest problem we are facing in this generation



haha, it's not healthcare, it's not the fact were losing all of our rights, it's not the fact that our freedom is shrinking, its not the fact that democracy doesn't exist, it's not the fact that presidents aren't elected rather they are chosen... it's not the fact that we have a completely fraudulent ponzi style monetary system.........



its really funny, people wont rise up or get upset about any of those things, but the minute you start talking bad about the rape videos, theres a good amount of people coming to its defense

hell if anyone really wants to start a revolution just have obama and the politicians start attacking rape vids and the white house will be overthrown within a week



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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Your business partner lives in a fantasy world of laws and sissy corporate men that have no Idea what goes on the real world.

How can they get a signature?

Is this a grown man or kid that shares a lemonade stand with you?

Geeee...

I don't know

Maybe be part of an organized crime network and if they arrest you for threatening her into signing when your in jail for the 2 weeks one of them kills her mother if she doesn't listen?

Maybe...I dunno, befriend her get her hooked on dope and when your her supplier then you screw her over on her fix unless she signs or just get her to sign half out of her mind...

blackmail?

Runaway?

Prostitutes or other criminals scammed by crooked cops?

What planet are you guys from?

Go to LA or NY and watch the Pimps descend on runaways at the bus station night and day...get a lesson on what this puke your watching really is and how the girls get involved.

(Sorry for being graphic any mods... but some of these posts are repulsive and so far beyond comprehension that people can be naive.... I just think if this is being discussed the truth should be known... some of these guys have been on the net so long they don't know what the hell really goes on with this snot)


How can they get them to sign? It's a felony?

Does any one actually think some of these guys give a damn about a felony?

86th ranked website in the world? a 20 Million bucks isn't worth a few Felonies to some men?... get a clue



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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A number of points I’d like to make, though others might have already made them;

If someone is giving a choice whether they participate then it’s not rape; that’s pretty much the definition. That needs to be made clear, we don’t describe a boxer as being assaulted every time they enter the ring. We don’t do that because they do so voluntarily. So if a woman, or a man (strange how no one ever thinks about men), chooses to take part in a porn shoot that involves simulated rape then that is their choice. Do people get exploited; do they sometimes hate what they’re doing? Of course but then that can be said for any number of people in any number of professions.

Extending from that, simulated rape scenes has no relation to how society views real rape victims. The families of murder victims are to be sympathised with but that doesn’t mean we stop showing simulated murder in movies, TV shows or video games.

Further extending from that it needs to be said that there is no evidence that the use of such pornography is linked to violent sexual crimes. That is not to say that violent sexual criminals do not use such pornography but rather this use is incidental and not the cause of their crime. Any evidence to the contrary is welcome. So condemning anyone who watches these as latent rapists is indirectly labelling yourself a latent mass murderer (assuming you’ve ever watched a violent film); it’s nonsensical.


Lastly, looking at the OP’s other posts I get the impression that you just have a pathological need for attention; it’s great that you have a social conscience but the world doesn’t need a naïve caped crusader to point out every time the Daily Mail uses the word knife or every time a porn star reads “please don’t, not in there!” from a tatty script. If you’re concerned, report it to the relevant authorities.

By the way, if you are in the UK I think that accessing these types of videos, even simulated, is now illegal. So technically I think you’ve broken the law. Watch out for that knock on your door!



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